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Judge abolishes Trump-era restrictions on visas for skilled foreign workers

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Opens the door for more skilled labor, surely no one would complain about THAT? Would they? :oops:
They're taking jobs from the Americans that were too busy on their smartphones to study! Give them a path to citizenship too.
 

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"Tech" isn't the be-all, end-all of the world. A strong argument could be made that too much tech has not been good for society, ie; social media. Sure, AI may replace some human workers soon, but probably not most trades. And there is and will continue to be a shortage of those. And as the supply and demand market corrects, it will either start getting really expensive to hire a competent professional plumber or electrician, or we will start seeing a cottage industry of hacks passing themselves off as those, and we will then be seeing shoddy work everywhere.
If you think AI isn't taking jobs in the electrical and plumbing industry already you're not paying attention.
 

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Tech innovation is great, but unless that tech gets us to the point where plumbers, electricians, and construction workers are replaced by robots, we will always need those. And those trades are a GREAT route to owning your own business, ie; becoming a general contractor.
Sure, there always needs to be a balance of the type of work people do. Those trade jobs are likely safe from automation for the foreseeable future since much of that skillset comes from not only knowing how to build and repair, but also troubleshoot on the fly; something automation doesn't do so well right now. Machine learning is coming a long way, and pretty quickly, so time will tell.

My point was directed at the absence we have in those technological fields which caused a surge in imported technically skilled workers; you don't want this kind of thing to be outsourced to a large degree.
 

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If you think AI isn't taking jobs in the electrical and plumbing industry already you're not paying attention.
Maybe some jobs like the actual manufacturing of electrical and plumbing supplies, but replacing actual electricians and plumbers? No way.
 

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Maybe some jobs like the actual manufacturing of electrical and plumbing supplies, but replacing actual electricians and plumbers? No way.
Really? Last time the plumber was at my house he used a nifty little camera to scope out a job and fixed it all by himself. Do you think he would have done the trenching needed to diagnose by himself if he didn't have a camera?
 

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The thing is the younger generations are thinking about careers and entrepreneurship, not just jobs. I think the trades are a great way to go for those who are not interested in corporate life, or the responsibilities and risk of being business owners, but what we really need are technically skilled workers to help spur technological innovation. The challenge is making education less of a financial anchor, because our children will be competing against foreign workers who do not have the financial overhead our educated workers do.
well I have worked on both sides
I have built 3 AC&R business ( and sold them and made a good buck ) and was a Industrial Electrician and hold an extra class Ham lic.
and I know a lot of people that were in the tech field building maintaining and repairing electronic equipment ( most machines today )
well a lot of them got out because the field got over loaded with people and that drove the pay down
and again there are kids out there that are looking for a field to go into that will give them a good standard of living for many years and fields like T&D , Plumber . Electrician and even Truck driving are good to go into
They are all fields that we need and aren't going to be going away
Have a nice afternoon
 

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Obtaining a CDL is a smart decision for anyone in any field. There is always a empty seat waiting on you if you get laid off from another job, or just want a change of scenery.

I am currently training 5 young people to drive low boys, dumps, and how to operate skid steers and excavators for a marine construction company. Two of them are college grads who's primary jobs are estimating, environmental studies, and permitting for the company. The 3 others previously worked as a cashier, residential construction, and Uber driver. They are doing pretty well considering that none of them have ever stood near a excavator or skid steer, never mind actually driving them onto a lowboy. After showing them the basics of the machines and all the safety issues, I let them tool around in a wide open lot for a couple days so they can get the feel of the machines. Then I teach how to load dumps, and drive the machinery onto the lowboys for chocking and chaining.

Starting pay is $19.75, and tops out at $24.50 per hour depending on versatility. Drivers that stick with the company also have the option to work with the barge crews as the designated CDL driver while picking up additional experience as pile drivers, doing layouts, and decking.

I didn't even want this job but the owner is a old friend who was in a bind.

We have one Class B driver going for his Class A CDL next week, and the Uber driver goes for his Class A the week after.

The hardest part of it all is Governor Northams bull shit DMV hours and getting the drivers permitted for on the road training.
Is B J Hunt and other Companies still taking on people and training them with pay
I know Warner was training people and when you got done they would supply you a truck ( that you bought ) and was paying some thing like 50 or 60 cents a mile
are they still doing that
It is a good way to get training and started making some good money
Have a nice day
 

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Really? Last time the plumber was at my house he used a nifty little camera to scope out a job and fixed it all by himself. Do you think he would have done the trenching needed to diagnose by himself if he didn't have a camera?
a plumber using a camera to diagnose a problem has nothing to do with with artificial intelligence replacing said plumber..... a camera is not a robot or AI
 

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a plumber using a camera to diagnose a problem has nothing to do with with artificial intelligence replacing said plumber..... a camera is not a robot or AI
It is advanced technology was that was not commonly in use. The point is that the use of the camera reduces plumbing jobs.
 

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Nowadays American kids don't want to do physical work and get their hands dirty. Its all "coding" and whatever other stupid useless job while still living with mom and dad.
And useless degrees in crap like "Gender Studies".
 

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Maybe some jobs like the actual manufacturing of electrical and plumbing supplies, but replacing actual electricians and plumbers? No way.
Until we get robots capable of that, I agree; and I don't think that will ever happen. What will likely expand is the use of certain technologies to make jobs in the trades more effective, like cameras to run into pipes to help diagnose problems without the intrusive methods used in the past. On a side note, some building engineers I've contracted use drones to take images of building facades which before would require someone to use hanging scaffold.
 

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They're taking jobs from the Americans that were too busy on their smartphones to study! Give them a path to citizenship too.
No. They’re recruited by temp agencies who bring them over here to replace Americans for less pay and no benefits. Ask the folks who used to work for Disney and had to train the H-1B replacements on their way out.
 

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No. They’re recruited by temp agencies who bring them over here to replace Americans for less pay and no benefits. Ask the folks who used to work for Disney and had to train the H-1B replacements on their way out.
Yes that did happen. No it's not the entirety of the program. By the way, they didn't have to train their replacements, they chose to.
 

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Of course not! Everyone loves being forced to train their cheaper foreign replacements after being fired!! Why would anyone complain about that?
H Visas require that they be paid the same and that the job cannot be filled by an American...in other words they have to make an effort to find a citizen or legal resident before hiring an H visa holder.
 

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H Visas require that they be paid the same
They're supposed to pay a government "prevailing wage" but there are all sort of loopholes. In practice, H1-b receipients are typically paid less and depress salaries overall.

and that the job cannot be filled by an American...in other words they have to make an effort to find a citizen or legal resident before hiring an H visa holder.
Unless you pay someone $60,000 or the person has a Master's degree - which is why so many of these low-paid people have "degrees" from sham universities.
 

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"Tech" isn't the be-all, end-all of the world. A strong argument could be made that too much tech has not been good for society, ie; social media. Sure, AI may replace some human workers soon, but probably not most trades. And there is and will continue to be a shortage of those. And as the supply and demand market corrects, it will either start getting really expensive to hire a competent professional plumber or electrician, or we will start seeing a cottage industry of hacks passing themselves off as those, and we will then be seeing shoddy work everywhere.
Society will collapse when everyone thinks every job is beneath them, tech can not do the basic jobs that keep society running, and when you need mass imports of labor to handle the most basic jobs, it says society is doomed. All it takes is for other nations to quit producing things for us or migrants to quit coming here and our society will collapse as well as the economy.

People talk about this and that, but for example driving a car, or taking the bus, they need to be repaired, they need to be built in the first place, mechanics and manufacturing people are near becoming extinct, it is nearing the point where cars and trucks can not be repaired because no one knows how to fix them and no one wants to make the parts.

Imagine ten years from now being expected to trade you vehicle in every few years because even dealerships can not find people to fix things. This goes to the fall of rome syndrome, society gets comfortable where it believes education is not needed, hard work is not needed, and no one stops to think that there is a core set of people needed for society to work, mechanics plumbers construction etc etc, and without that nothing we have is possible no matter how much tech is introduced.
 

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Society will collapse when everyone thinks every job is beneath them, tech can not do the basic jobs that keep society running, and when you need mass imports of labor to handle the most basic jobs, it says society is doomed. All it takes is for other nations to quit producing things for us or migrants to quit coming here and our society will collapse as well as the economy.

People talk about this and that, but for example driving a car, or taking the bus, they need to be repaired, they need to be built in the first place, mechanics and manufacturing people are near becoming extinct, it is nearing the point where cars and trucks can not be repaired because no one knows how to fix them and no one wants to make the parts.

Imagine ten years from now being expected to trade you vehicle in every few years because even dealerships can not find people to fix things. This goes to the fall of rome syndrome, society gets comfortable where it believes education is not needed, hard work is not needed, and no one stops to think that there is a core set of people needed for society to work, mechanics plumbers construction etc etc, and without that nothing we have is possible no matter how much tech is introduced.
Very nice post
 

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Opens the door for more skilled labor, surely no one would complain about THAT? Would they? :oops:
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