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Can someone clarify some beliefs that mainstream Jews hold? Are they still waiting for a Messiah? What do they believe Jesus was? A prophet, teacher, crook? Do they totally disregard the New Testament? Do you believe in the prophecies that a Messiah had to fulfill (prophecies from Isiah?) I was always a little unclear when it came to the Jewish beliefs. Thanks in advance.
 
Can someone clarify some beliefs that mainstream Jews hold? Are they still waiting for a Messiah? What do they believe Jesus was? A prophet, teacher, crook? Do they totally disregard the New Testament? Do you believe in the prophecies that a Messiah had to fulfill (prophecies from Isiah?) I was always a little unclear when it came to the Jewish beliefs. Thanks in advance.

I'll be happy to answer to the best of my ability:

Are they still waiting for a Messiah? This can be a confusing issue, depending on which sect of Judaism you adhere to. There are 5 basic sects: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, and Secular. The coming of the Messiah is covered in the Book of Isaiah and the Book of Ezekiel, and is interpretted in the Talmud. Orthodox Jews, generally, interpret the concept of the messiah, literally (as they do most of the Bible). For them, the Messiah is a person. Conservative Jews are more ambiguous, indicating that references to the Messiah could denote a person or could be identifying an age (the messianic age) a time of utopia. Reform and Reconstuctionist Jews believe in the latter of these last two descriptions. Secular Jews, do not believe in the Messiah or a messianic age; these are non-theistic Jews.

What do they believe Jesus was? Dependeing on the sect, anywhere from believing that Jesus never existed, to believing that he was a scholarly rabbi.

Do they totally disregard the New Testament? As far as rekigious authority goes, yes. The New Testament is not part of the Torah/Tanakh.

Do you believe in the prophecies that a Messiah had to fulfill (prophecies from Isiah?) As noted earlier, it depends on the sect and whether one believes in the Messiah as person or as an age.

For more reading on Judaism, it's different sects, and it's view of the Messiah, you can look here:

Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jewish Messiah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope this was helpful. :smile:
 
I'll be happy to answer to the best of my ability:

Are they still waiting for a Messiah? This can be a confusing issue, depending on which sect of Judaism you adhere to. There are 5 basic sects: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, and Secular. The coming of the Messiah is covered in the Book of Isaiah and the Book of Ezekiel, and is interpretted in the Talmud. Orthodox Jews, generally, interpret the concept of the messiah, literally (as they do most of the Bible). For them, the Messiah is a person. Conservative Jews are more ambiguous, indicating that references to the Messiah could denote a person or could be identifying an age (the messianic age) a time of utopia. Reform and Reconstuctionist Jews believe in the latter of these last two descriptions. Secular Jews, do not believe in the Messiah or a messianic age; these are non-theistic Jews.
Reform Jews are a group of Jews that follow the commandments that they want and don't follow the commandments that they don't want. You can see gay reform rabbis - this is crazy, how can you be a rabbi and to support gay relations? A rabbi is a Torah scholar and God commanded not to do these kind of things so how do these "rabbis" called themselves as ones? Reform Judaism doesn't represent the Jewish nation.

You are very wrong regarding the secular Jews and you don't understand at all the meaning of the secular Jews. I'm a secular Jew. A secular. Not an atheist!. To be a secular Jew it doesn't mean that you don't believe in the Torah or in the prophecies. Not at all. A secular Jew means that you deal in your free time in "secular" things like watching television, going to the cinema, sports etc and you deel less with "religious spiritual" things like learning Torah etc. You don't have to be an orthodox Jew from a religious neighbourhood and to wear black all day in order to believe in the Torah and in the prophecies. Of course there are atheist among the secular Jews but their numbers are very very low. In Israel most of the Jews are religious and traditionals and there are also secular Jews in Israel. God judge the Jews by their acts aka fulfilling commendments. As a "secular" Jew I believe in all that written both in the Torah and in the other books of the Tanach and also in the Jewish Messiah. I believe in the Talmud which is the Orall law.

Dependeing on the sect, anywhere from believing that Jesus never existed, to believing that he was a scholarly rabbi.
Not true. Jews who believes in Jesus are not Jews any more. The believing in Jesus is consider to be "Kofer Ba Ikar" which means a Jew who believes in Jesus is deny the main thing and that is that the belief that a man is God or his son is in the opposite of the main ideas of the Torah. The facts are that Jesus wasn't a rabbi and he never authorized to be one. Not every group of people who speaks in the name of Judaism is telling the truth or to be consider as real Jews.

40% of the Jews in America are assimilated and this is the reason why you are saying these wrong things.

As noted earlier, it depends on the sect and whether one believes in the Messiah as person or as an age.
Who are those sects? There are no sects in the Jewish nation but only groups that the only difference between them is there level of perseverance: there are groups who work and study Torah like Bnei Akiva and there are groups that their work is to study Torah. There are groups that their men have a short beard and there are groups that their men have long beard. I'm not saying that all the groups are follow all the commandments but at least they don't preach to others not to follow some commandments like in a way that you may smoke for yourself but you can't preach to everybody that smoke is good for the health and you aren't allowed to distort the Torah.

For Rhapsody1447:
You asked about the main belief of the Jews and you mentioned the Messiah. The Messiah isn't the main agenda of the belief of the Jews. I'll tell you what is the main agenda: The main agenda is to follow the commandments that God gave to the children of Israel (Jews) when he took them out of slavery in ancient Egypt. The commandments are behavior orders that in them God is telling the children of Israel how to live their life: what to do and what not to do, when to do and how to do - this is the main thing that the Jews believe in.

Regarding the Messiah - Indeed, this part belongs to the future and the believing in the Messiah is one of the 13 principles that the Jews believe in:
Jewish principles of faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I made a post about the Jewish Messiah and you can find it here.
 
Two quick corrections to my post in deference to The Face of Jacob.
1) Sects was, perhaps, incorrect terminology in describing the types of Judaism and the variety of beliefs. Denomination is a better word. There are 5 major different denominations of Judaism

2) Secular Judaism was a totally incorrect statement. I meant to say Humanistic Judaism. Humanistic Judaism is non-theistic, The focus is more on traditions and ethnicity rather then religion, though one can be a Humanistic Jew even if one adheres to some of the religious aspects. My brother is a Humanistic Jew.


Reform Jews are a group of Jews that follow the commandments that they want and don't follow the commandments that they don't want. You can see gay reform rabbis - this is crazy, how can you be a rabbi and to support gay relations? A rabbi is a Torah scholar and God commanded not to do these kind of things so how do these "rabbis" called themselves as ones? Reform Judaism doesn't represent the Jewish nation.

Reform Jews (as most Conservative Jews) accept that modern conditions and situations sometimes require reinterpretation by the Rabbinnate in order for Judaism to evolve with the changing world and conditions. This is a non-fundementalist view, and neither seperates many Jews from their modern situations, but also allows for 'gray areas' to be dealt with.

Homosexuality, since you brought it up, is a good example of this kind of evolution. With what we know now about homosexuality, Reform Judaism (and, to some extent, North American Conservative Judaism) have re-evaluated the laws on this and have used the evolutionary beliefs and reinterpretation to accept homosexuality. These types of Rabbinical reinterpretive studies to deal with modern life allows Judaism to progress without the 'black and white' fundamentalist dogma that plagues other religions.

You may not agree with this, but Reform Judaism is a Jewish denomination...similar to how Quakerism and Roman Catholicism are both Christian denominations, though with different interpretations and beliefs in dealing with modern life.


You are very wrong regarding the secular Jews and you don't understand at all the meaning of the secular Jews. I'm a secular Jew. A secular. Not an atheist!. To be a secular Jew it doesn't mean that you don't believe in the Torah or in the prophecies. Not at all. A secular Jew means that you deal in your free time in "secular" things like watching television, going to the cinema, sports etc and you deel less with "religious spiritual" things like learning Torah etc. You don't have to be an orthodox Jew from a religious neighbourhood and to wear black all day in order to believe in the Torah and in the prophecies. Of course there are atheist among the secular Jews but their numbers are very very low. In Israel most of the Jews are religious and traditionals and there are also secular Jews in Israel. God judge the Jews by their acts aka fulfilling commendments. As a "secular" Jew I believe in all that written both in the Torah and in the other books of the Tanach and also in the Jewish Messiah. I believe in the Talmud which is the Orall law.

Corrected. Thanks for the clarification.


Not true. Jews who believes in Jesus are not Jews any more. The believing in Jesus is consider to be "Kofer Ba Ikar" which means a Jew who believes in Jesus is deny the main thing and that is that the belief that a man is God or his son is in the opposite of the main ideas of the Torah. The facts are that Jesus wasn't a rabbi and he never authorized to be one. Not every group of people who speaks in the name of Judaism is telling the truth or to be consider as real Jews.


Not true. It is not against Judaism to believe that Jesus existed as a human being. It is against Judaism to believe that Jesus was the Messiah or that he was God-like in any way. Since there is no authoritative way to prove whether Jesus was a rabbi or not, my comment stands; 'Depending on the sect, anywhere from believing that Jesus never existed, to believing that he was a scholarly rabbi.'

40% of the Jews in America are assimilated and this is the reason why you are saying these wrong things.

Have no idea what you are trying to say here, but I am not saying 'wrong things', and you offer no proof that I am. I am just saying things you don't agree with, which, as usual, you don't like.

Who are those sects? There are no sects in the Jewish nation but only groups that the only difference between them is there level of perseverance: there are groups who work and study Torah like Bnei Akiva and there are groups that their work is to study Torah. There are groups that their men have a short beard and there are groups that their men have long beard. I'm not saying that all the groups are follow all the commandments but at least they don't preach to others not to follow some commandments like in a way that you may smoke for yourself but you can't preach to everybody that smoke is good for the health and you aren't allowed to distort the Torah.

Since I don't live in Israel, my information on Jewish denominations there comes purely from research. There seem to be 3 distinct denominations: secular, traditional, and religious (hiloni, masorti, and haredi, respectively). With the exception of the religious, Jews from the other two denominations seem to span the spectrum in their beliefs, ranging from, what in the US would be seem as Humanistic to Conservative. Admittedly my knowledge on Judaism in Israel is limited. My information was obtained from Religion in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and some of the external links at the end of the article. Feel free to provide more information on Judaism in Israel.

For Rhapsody1447:
You asked about the main belief of the Jews and you mentioned the Messiah. The Messiah isn't the main agenda of the belief of the Jews. I'll tell you what is the main agenda: The main agenda is to follow the commandments that God gave to the children of Israel (Jews) when he took them out of slavery in ancient Egypt. The commandments are behavior orders that in them God is telling the children of Israel how to live their life: what to do and what not to do, when to do and how to do - this is the main thing that the Jews believe in.

Regarding the Messiah - Indeed, this part belongs to the future and the believing in the Messiah is one of the 13 principles that the Jews believe in:
Jewish principles of faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I made a post about the Jewish Messiah and you can find it here.

For the most part I agree with this, though there is certainly more to Judaism. I was responding to Rhapsody1447's specific questions.
 

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