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Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions. [W:266,392]

Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

*nods*

No references, is actually talking about a very different situation, and was mostly talking about toppling the Pinochet Government, the one that took power after the coup.

*laugh*

From a 13 year old story, posted by the "Transnational Institute", a group that conducts "radical informed analysis", to advance "global social movements", advances "progressive policies", and from it's inception has followed a Socialist-Marxist agenda.

Nice fail for finding independent confirmation though. However, both the Transnational Institute and affiliated Institute for Policy Studies had long been a source of information for the KGB.

Do you ever post anything that is not full of fail? Your sources are always amazingly biased and wrong, and you give independent analysis that is 180 degrees from reality (remember the Animal Farm debate a bit ago).

There is no question that CIA funded coup and killed Allende. You are a conspiracy theorist...

While declassified documents related to the military coup have shown that the CIA "probably appeared to condone" the 1973 coup, there is no evidence that the US actually participated in it.[32] However, some point to the involvement of the Defense Intelligence Agency, agents of which allegedly secured the missiles used to bombard the La Moneda Palace.[33]
The U.S. Government's hostility to the election of Allende in Chile was substantiated[34] in documents declassified during the Clinton administration; involving the CIA, which show that covert operatives were inserted in Chile, in order to prevent a Marxist government from arising and for the purpose of spreading anti-Allende propaganda.[35][36]
The CIA, as recounted in the Church Committee report, was involved in various plots designed to remove Allende and then let the Chileans vote in a new election where he would not be a candidate: It tried to buy off the Chilean Congress to prevent his appointment, worked to sway public opinion against him to prevent his election, and financed protests designed to bring the country to a stand-still and make him resign. The CIA, acting with the approval of the 40 Committee—the body charged with overseeing covert actions abroad—devised what in effect was a constitutional coup. The most expeditious way to prevent Allende from assuming office was somehow to convince the Chilean congress to confirm Jorge Alessandri as the winner of the election. Once elected by the congress, Alessandri—a party to the plot through intermediaries—was prepared to resign his presidency within a matter of days so that new elections could be held. This first, nonmilitary, approach to stopping Allende was called the Track I approach.
The CIA's second approach, the Track II approach, was designed to encourage a military overthrow, by creating an atmosphere of crisis and disaster (a "coup climate") in the country. False flag operatives approached senior Chilean military officers, in "some two dozen contacts", with the message that "the United States intended to cut military assistance to Chile unless they moved against Allende, and that the U.S. desired, and would actively support, a coup."[37]
The CIA provided extensive support for black propaganda against Allende, funneled largely through El Mercurio, but also using other media outlets. Propaganda targeted both the people and the military. Financial support was also provided for anti-Allende political opponents and for organized strikes and unrest to destabilize his government.
The first attempt to engineer a military overthrow of Allende occurred in 1970. The CIA had been in contact with two groups of coup plotters, one group run by retired General Roberto Viaux and a second by active-duty General Camilo Valenzuela. The CIA had attempted to stop Viaux's group from moving forward until it had joined forces with Valenzuela's group. Both groups were attempting to remove Chilean general René Schneider, due to his support for military non-intervention in politics, and thus the appointment of Allende. The Church hearings found that the CIA gave weapons to a group of men who it knew had attacked him twice before, ostensibly as a test of loyalty so that the CIA would remain privy to their information, but that the weapons provided and the group thereby armed (Valenzuela's group) were not the ones who actually killed him (Viaux's group).
Historian Mark Falcoff credits the CIA with preserving democratic opposition to Allende and preventing the "consolidation" of his supposed "totalitarian project".[38] However, Peter Kornbluh asserts that the CIA destabilized Chile and helped create the conditions for the coup.[37]
In 1970, the U.S. manufacturing company ITT Corporation owned of 70% of Chitelco, the Chilean Telephone Company, and funded El Mercurio, a Chilean right-wing newspaper. The CIA used ITT as a conduit to financially aid opponents of Allende's government.[39][40] On 28 September 1973, ITT's headquarters in New York City, was bombed by the Weather Underground for the alleged involvement of the company in the overthrow of Allende.[41]

1973 Chilean coup d'état - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOu fail *laughs*

you in bagdad invading another country to make money for rich...*laughs*:lamo


Plus not on topic....
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

No its no question CIA killed allende.


You listen to much western propaganda....Stalin promoted science that is just being study...Science in the USSR was the best....Greatness.

Another post full of fail
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

Why do you need it to be explained?

So far you have failed to explain anything just thrown out a bunch of nonsense showing how little you know about history or literature for that matter.
Once again Stalin is the 2nd greatest mass murderer in history that is not in dispute even you seem to accept this but try to somehow blame it on events that happened long after his death. Why you would think that something happening after Stalin's death would cause Stalin to be a mass murderer I do not know but then so far I haven't seen much logic in any of your arguments.
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

So far you have failed to explain anything just thrown out a bunch of nonsense showing how little you know about history or literature for that matter.
Once again Stalin is the 2nd greatest mass murderer in history that is not in dispute even you seem to accept this but try to somehow blame it on events that happened long after his death. Why you would think that something happening after Stalin's death would cause Stalin to be a mass murderer I do not know but then so far I haven't seen much logic in any of your arguments.

No Mao first

U.S second.....killer of the natives,blacks, poor,

Science is great in the USSR..
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

No Mao first

U.S second.....killer of the natives,blacks, poor,

Science is great in the USSR..

Sorry dude not even close.
1. Your list was 100% bogus.
2. The USA is not a person
3. Science is great in many places, USSR was great at stealing science from the west and suppression stuff that didn't agree with their communist ideology.

But yes Mao is the greatest mass murderer in history, congrats you finally got something right
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

Sorry dude not even close.
1. Your list was 100% bogus.
2. The USA is not a person
3. Science is great in many places, USSR was great at stealing science from the west and suppression stuff that didn't agree with their communist ideology.

But yes Mao is the greatest mass murderer in history, congrats you finally got something right

My List 100% right

http://www.debatepolitics.com/penalty-box/175473-dudeturtle-aka-bitch-tits-2.html#post1062433751

post here .
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

There is no question that CIA funded coup and killed Allende. You are a conspiracy theorist...

While declassified documents related to the military coup have shown that the CIA "probably appeared to condone" the 1973 coup, there is no evidence that the US actually participated in it.

Plus not on topic....

Wait a minute, you say I am a conspiracy theorist, because I do not believe in a conspiracy? Once again, showing your backwards logic which makes no sense.

Now look back at the first sentence of your claim, the part I put in bold. That clearly states "there is no evidence that the US actually participated in it". That is your own source my friend, and it refutes your claim.

And if such things are "not on topic", then why do you bring them up over and over again?

As I told you, if you make claims to try and support your position, and they are constantly full of fail as yours are, then you open yourself up for such corrections.

So please, tell me how I fail when your own source that you just quoted clearly states that the CIA did not participate in the coup?
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

Wait a minute, you say I am a conspiracy theorist, because I do not believe in a conspiracy? Once again, showing your backwards logic which makes no sense.

Now look back at the first sentence of your claim, the part I put in bold. That clearly states "there is no evidence that the US actually participated in it". That is your own source my friend, and it refutes your claim.

And if such things are "not on topic", then why do you bring them up over and over again?

As I told you, if you make claims to try and support your position, and they are constantly full of fail as yours are, then you open yourself up for such corrections.

So please, tell me how I fail when your own source that you just quoted clearly states that the CIA did not participate in the coup?

Hes gone oozle went nuts and got banned yesterday, click on link he posted above to see the carnage
 
Re: Joseph Stalin intellectual contributions.

Hes gone oozle went nuts and got banned yesterday, click on link he posted above to see the carnage

Well, that link seems to be dead, no biggie. I absolutely love how each of his own references consistently destroys his own claims however.
 
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