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John Dean, Real Democratic Desperation

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The Dixiecrats sure weren't liberals and some of them are still around.
Umm...no they are not.

Are you really that sure? It's been my experience, most people aren't even accurately aware of their own political ideology
Yeah, and most of those people are actually liberals who just don't like pigeonholing themselves.

One the Issues has a test where you can even compare your ideology with a candidate.
Given that all the Democratic Candidates are liberals I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with this.
 

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Umm...no they are not.


Yeah, and most of those people are actually liberals who just don't like pigeonholing themselves.


Given that all the Democratic Candidates are liberals I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish with this.

Better to be liberal than neo Nazi
 

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Dean drew parallels between the falsehoods told by Trump officials and those told by John Mitchell, H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman; between the firing of James Comey and the firing of Archibald Cox; between efforts by both Trump and Nixon to shut down FBI probes; between the pardons dangled by both men; between attempts by Trump to get Donald McGahn to lie and Nixon’s attempts to get Dean to lie; and between the refusal by McGahn and the refusal by Elliot Richardson and William Ruckelshaus to fire prosecutors.

“The Mueller report, like the Watergate Road Map, conveys findings, with supporting evidence, of potential criminal activity,” Dean testified, later adding that “it’s quite striking and startling to me that history is repeating itself, and with a vengeance.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/will-the-watergate-sequel-have-the-same-ending/2019/06/10/694e21a2-8bc7-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?utm_term=.ec263441610c

It was interesting to note that the Republican congressmen could say nothing to refute Dean's charges and, in effect, gae their authorization for a president to engage in corrupt activity.
 

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Better for you to lay out your case for why it wasn't a coup. The onus is on you to disprove my opinion. That's the way debate works.

So far today, it appears you've missed the boat on a lot of things when it comes to debate. ;)

Pretty much a universal constant that people who try and associate and equate the Mueller investigations with/to a 'coup' don't know what that word actually means and fall completely apart when called out on it.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/will-the-watergate-sequel-have-the-same-ending/2019/06/10/694e21a2-8bc7-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?utm_term=.ec263441610c

It was interesting to note that the Republican congressmen could say nothing to refute Dean's charges and, in effect, gae their authorization for a president to engage in corrupt activity.

Yes, the clowns made a circus of the hearing precisely so that they would not have to own what they have done. And, the real laughter comes from seeing the sycophants argue that they won.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/will-the-watergate-sequel-have-the-same-ending/2019/06/10/694e21a2-8bc7-11e9-b08e-cfd89bd36d4e_story.html?utm_term=.ec263441610c

It was interesting to note that the Republican congressmen could say nothing to refute Dean's charges and, in effect, gae their authorization for a president to engage in corrupt activity.

be specific and don't say read the Mueller Report ....what did Trump do that was "to engage in corrupt activity"?
 

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Two articles of impeachment against Nixon involved obstructing justice and refusing to honor subpoenas. Trump has done both of these things.
 

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Mueller Report is a fraud based on false underlying accusations.....there was never any connection to Trump Campaign and Putin's Russia.

Brennan's wet dream is getting exposed by Durham.....this was CIA/NSA/DOJ pig****....I don't believe a word of Mueller report when he didn't even look at nexus of investigation. were FISA warrants valid

Don tRump's investigation started by a CIA report to the FBI and not the Steele Dossier. It's my understanding the CIA source was from Russia, close to Putin and they don't want that source compromised. Someone can play Deep State games from now until doomsday and they aren't going to change the facts.

Don't read the Mueller Report, that's a personal choice like not reading a book by it's cover. It's not an easy read and so many facts are involved, it takes investigation to determine where the truth lies. I suggest you get an audio version and highlight areas of interest so you can focus on important items. Given the fact that the top two people running the tRump campaign were sentenced to jail time, I won't dismiss this as a Witch Hunt.
 

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be specific and don't say read the Mueller Report ....what did Trump do that was "to engage in corrupt activity"?

Encouraging Russia to commit crimes.
Using stolen material in his campaign.
His campaign meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.
His lying about meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.
His attempting to do business with Russia during the campaign.
His lying about attempting to do business with Russia during the campaign.
His involvement in a conspiracy to commit a felony through a pay-off during the campaign.
His firing of Comey to end the Russia thing.
His criticism of people cooperating in a federal investigation.
His praise of people refusing to participate in a federal investigation.
 

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Better for you to lay out your case for why it wasn't a coup. The onus is on you to disprove my opinion. That's the way debate works.

So far today, it appears you've missed the boat on a lot of things when it comes to debate. ;)
:lamo The only one missing the boat today, sister, is you.

I know how debates work. Apparently you don’t know how logic works. You’re asking me to prove a negative. That isn’t possible (in case you didn’t realize it).

Tell ya what, I’ll provide you with the definition of coup, and you explain the makings (people, actions contemplated/carried out in furtherance if a coup, etc.) of the coup you believe that was attempted.

Definition of coup in English:
coup

(also coup d'état)
A sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Okay, trix, your turn. ;)
 

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If Democrats really believed Trump had committed Conspiracy or Obstruction, Why would you lead off your Impeachment Hearings with John Dean who was convicted for his cover up in the 1970s Watergate scandal. He is a convicted felon, a CNN commentator, who has compared every president with his and Nixon's criminal activities, has no evidence, was not involved in any investigation, and has no connection to the Mueller report?

Because this is how desperate Democrats have become. Its a joke at best. John Dean was the architect of the Watergate scandal. He was disbarred and sent to prison for his crimes during the Nixon administration.

Democrats don't have the balls to attempt an Impeachment so instead of subpoenaing the first logical witness (Mueller) who is the architect of the report and the lead investigator, or any attorney on the special counsel or any FBI investigator, or any former witness, they bring in a CNN commentator? Unfortunately for Democrats, their asinine attempt to put on this clown show wasn't aired because of the Helicopter crash in New York.

Who are the Democrats going to bring in next, Whitey Bulger? Jerry Nadler is an embarrassment to this country.

No need to do any of that. All but Trumps 35% know the man committed obstruction. Hell, even Trumps own lawyer knows the man committed a criminal offense.

Dont worry about impeachment, Nov 2020 will take care of the Criminal in Chief.
 

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Encouraging Russia to commit crimes.
Using stolen material in his campaign.
His campaign meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.
His lying about meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton.
His attempting to do business with Russia during the campaign.
His lying about attempting to do business with Russia during the campaign.
His involvement in a conspiracy to commit a felony through a pay-off during the campaign.
His firing of Comey to end the Russia thing.
His criticism of people cooperating in a federal investigation.
His praise of people refusing to participate in a federal investigation.

oh...the whiny defense

criticism of people:lol:

praise of people:lol:
 

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:lamo The only one missing the boat today, sister, is you.

I know how debates work. Apparently you don’t know how logic works. You’re asking me to prove a negative. That isn’t possible (in case you didn’t realize it).

Tell ya what, I’ll provide you with the definition of coup, and you explain the makings (people, actions contemplated/carried out in furtherance if a coup, etc.) of the coup you believe that was attempted.

Definition of coup in English:
coup

(also coup d'état)
A sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Okay, trix, your turn. ;)

A soft coup, sometimes referred to as a Silent coup, is a coup d'état without the use of violence, but based on a conspiracy or plot that has as its objective the taking of state power by partially or wholly illegal means, in order to facilitate an exchange of political leadership - and in some cases also of the current institutional order.

A soft coup is a strategy attributed to the American political scientist Gene Sharp, a Professor Emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth and Nobel Peace Prize nominee, who has been a theorist and author of groundbreaking works on the dynamics of nonviolent conflict. He studied the potential to spark, guide, and maximize the power of sometimes short-lived mass uprisings, as he tried to understand how unarmed insurrections have been far more politically significant than observers focused on military warfare have cared to admit. Soft coup - Wikipedia
 

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A soft coup, sometimes referred to as a Silent coup, is a coup d'état without the use of violence, but based on a conspiracy or plot that has as its objective the taking of state power by partially or wholly illegal means, in order to facilitate an exchange of political leadership - and in some cases also of the current institutional order.

A soft coup is a strategy attributed to the American political scientist Gene Sharp, a Professor Emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth and Nobel Peace Prize nominee, who has been a theorist and author of groundbreaking works on the dynamics of nonviolent conflict. He studied the potential to spark, guide, and maximize the power of sometimes short-lived mass uprisings, as he tried to understand how unarmed insurrections have been far more politically significant than observers focused on military warfare have cared to admit. Soft coup - Wikipedia

Whew! It will, then, no doubt come as a HUGE relief to all rational adults that there is absolutely zero credible evidence of any such 'soft coup' having been attempted.

Sleep well, America!
 

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says who?

This is part of the first article of impeachment against Richard Nixon:

ARTICLE 1

"In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his consitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:

On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities.

The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan included one or more of the following:

1. making false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

2. withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

3. approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings;

4. interfering or endeavouring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees;


Watergate Articles Of Impeachment

The bolded ones have been committed by Trump in his refusal to honor subpoenas and his obstruction of justice. Further investigation could reveal that he also engaged in #2, such as when Cohen lied to Congress and Trump never set the record straight.

He's just a cheap gangster, and you all know it. But he's YOUR gangster, so you condon his corruption. This is how democracy dies.
 

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I hate to spoil your appetite, but Fort Holabird wasn’t a prison.

As I said, John Dean never went to prison.

He served a sentence for a felony, and yes, he was imprisoned at Fort Holabird.

None of your strawmen change facts.
Maybe you should check facts before prattling, and pretending John Dean got off scot-free. :mrgreen:

Watergate: Who Did What and Where Are They Now? - HISTORY

Dean became one of the first administration officials to reveal the cover-up, implicating Nixon and other officials during his testimony before the Senate Watergate Committee in June 1973. He was charged with obstruction of justice and served four months in prison.

eta: some friendly advice--don't ever play Trivia. Facts are not your thing.
 
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1. Not an impeachment hearing.
What would you call it

2. John Dean never went to prison.

He spent 4 Months incarcerated at Maryland’s Fort Holabird for conspiracy to obstruct justice, in a reduced sentence for cooperating with prosecutors.

3. It’s public knowledge, at least for those whose noses aren’t buried into the Fox News channel, that the Dems are working to get Mueller to testify voluntarily.

Sure they are. Ever heard of a subpoena before. They will never have him testify.

4. Whitey Bulger is dead.
Yeah think. Maybe it was satire for the letters he wrote approving of Trump Democrats used for months to associate Trump to Bulger. Guess you didn't know that

Guys like you, who just run off at the mouth without knowing what they’re talking about, make fact checking too easy.

Its guys like you who prefer jumping on semantics rather than commenting on the post because you find it embarrassing, jut like everyone else does.
 

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This is part of the first article of impeachment against Richard Nixon:

ARTICLE 1

"In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his consitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:

On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his close subordinates and agents, in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede, and obstruct the investigation of such illegal entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible; and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities.

The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan included one or more of the following:

1. making false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

2. withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States;

3. approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings;

4. interfering or endeavouring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force, and Congressional Committees;


Watergate Articles Of Impeachment

The bolded ones have been committed by Trump in his refusal to honor subpoenas and his obstruction of justice. Further investigation could reveal that he also engaged in #2, such as when Cohen lied to Congress and Trump never set the record straight.

He's just a cheap gangster, and you all know it. But he's YOUR gangster, so you condon his corruption. This is how democracy dies.

Actually, all can be bolded and then more bolded accounts added.

Consider the Clinton emails. I'm only bringing this subject up, because I've never seen anyone else make this point. It's a fact Don tRump asked for Russia to find the missing Clinton emails and praised Wikileaks many, many times for posting things. It's also a fact that the main issue with Clinton emails involved her sending classified material improperly. A President has an obligation to obey the law, whether they agree with it or not, but Don tRump managed to run for that office asking Russia to find the missing Clinton emails with the knowledge they may contain classified material.

How can an American of any political ideology support such a thing?
 
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