John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

[Rightwingnutjob]

Just saw this... Seems pretty ridiculous. Any more information or thoughts on this?
YouTube - John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

 

[danarhea]

Just saw this... Seems pretty ridiculous. Any more information or thoughts on this?
YouTube - John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

You know, I saw a lot of people supporting the arrests of Liberals after George Bush created the concept of free speech zones. Where was the outcry from them then?

Free speech zones were anti free speech then, and they are anti free speech now. Obama, for all his talk, looks a lot like George Bush.

 

[Rightwingnutjob]

You know, I saw a lot of people supporting the arrests of Liberals after George Bush created the concept of free speech zones. Where was the outcry from them then?

These were against free speech then, and they are against free speech now. Obama, for all his talk, looks a lot like George Bush.

In both cases such arrests are at best extremely disturbing.

 

[RyrineaHaruno]

I am still pissed off that these free speech zones are still in effect. Is this man reacted to George bush lol?

 

[The Uncola]

Just saw this... Seems pretty ridiculous. Any more information or thoughts on this?
YouTube - John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

Agreed. I didn't like it when the Neocons did it and I don't like it any better from their mirror image.

 

[Your Star]

This is so much bull.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Just saw this... Seems pretty ridiculous. Any more information or thoughts on this?
YouTube - John Bush Arrested For Protesting Outside Free Speech Zone At U.T. Austin

The funny or sad thing about "free speech zones" is that a lot of colleges are adopting the idea for on campus speech.

Messed up world we have evolved into.

 

[spud_meister]

:lol: free speech zones, ain't that a violation of your Bill of Rights?

 

[Your Star]

:lol: free speech zones, ain't that a violation of your Bill of Rights?

Yep. :doh

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[spud_meister]

Yep. :doh

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damn, i thought it was mostly hyperbole about rights being stripped away, but ****, this is ludicrous.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

damn, i thought it was mostly hyperbole about rights being stripped away, but ****, this is ludicrous.

"VSU's previous policy restricted the free expression of all "persons wishing to speak on campus" to one small stage, the use of which was restricted to two non-consecutive hours per day-and only on weekdays."

Valdosta State University: Freedom of Expression on Campus Limited to Unconstitutional Free Speech Zone - FIRE

The free speech zone compromises (I think) less than 1% of the entire campus.
Insanity.

 

[Rightwingnutjob]

Hell, I don't agree with what he was saying anyway, but it's completely disgusting and disturbing that they thought they could arrest him and remove him from campus.

 

[Johnny]

It's only going to get worse.

 

[spud_meister]

"VSU's previous policy restricted the free expression of all "persons wishing to speak on campus" to one small stage, the use of which was restricted to two non-consecutive hours per day-and only on weekdays."

Valdosta State University: Freedom of Expression on Campus Limited to Unconstitutional Free Speech Zone - FIRE

The free speech zone compromises (I think) less than 1% of the entire campus.
Insanity.

i just can't see how, from this

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

they got this

The existence of free speech zones is based on U.S. court decisions stipulating that the government may regulate the time, place, and manner—but not content—of expression.

 

[Crunch]

:lol: free speech zones, ain't that a violation of your Bill of Rights?

Absolutely not........ I haven't seen any evidence that anyone has had to pay one thin dime to say what they wanted to say.

[/sarcasm]

 

[jallman]

"VSU's previous policy restricted the free expression of all "persons wishing to speak on campus" to one small stage, the use of which was restricted to two non-consecutive hours per day-and only on weekdays."

Valdosta State University: Freedom of Expression on Campus Limited to Unconstitutional Free Speech Zone - FIRE

The free speech zone compromises (I think) less than 1% of the entire campus.
Insanity.

This is nothing new. When I was in college 15 years ago, we had a free expression area where demonstrations were limited to in order to not disrupt classes.

However, our actual speech was never curbed. We could still say what we wanted anywhere on campus at any time. It looks like this campus has a similar policy...demonstrations in one area, free speech everywhere.

 

[VanceMack]

As usual, there is more to the story then the edited version they want you to see on UTube.

Doood was arrested because he was NOT a student of UT and was protesting on campus. The school board of trustees representative and the police both asked him 3 times politely to take their protest 100 yards to MLK blvd on public land and then by all means carry on. This was far from just a bunch of students having a discussion (see the link attached). http://www.blip.tv/file/3998011\ John Bush is a professional political agitator. And he did what he do...he agitated. So...he got removed.

Think about this logically and not emotionally for a second. Can you walk onto any public school property and start protesting freely without getting arrested? Of course not. And even on public lands when you have a planned assembly you have to file for permits.

As a libertarian I find his actions repugnant. And BTW...read a little about doood...and watch some of his videos. He's a shameless self-promoting asshole.

He lied about his press credentials. He lied about his intent. And when asked to leave...politely...3 times...he was finally arrested and removed. Yay.

 

[VanceMack]

This is nothing new. When I was in college 15 years ago, we had a free expression area where demonstrations were limited to in order to not disrupt classes.

However, our actual speech was never curbed. We could still say what we wanted anywhere on campus at any time. It looks like this campus has a similar policy...demonstrations in one area, free speech everywhere.

Difference being...you were a student. This guy is not. He is a political agitator. He travels the country doing this kind of crap.

 

[justabubba]

his right to free speech does not trump the property owner's right to determine what activities do or do not occur on its property

which is why he was arrested for trespassing

he possesses the right of free speech
he possesses the right to assemble
but not if the property owner where he plans to present his speech or create an assembly says otherwise

 

[VanceMack]

his right to free speech does not trump the property owner's right to determine what activities do or do not occur on its property

which is why he was arrested for trespassing

he possesses the right of free speech
he possesses the right to assemble
but not if the property owner where he plans to present his speech or create an assembly says otherwise

If we are agreeing, then Im changing my position!!!

 

[VanceMack]

:shock:

This John Bush looks a lot like THIS John Bush...who was arrested in 2005 for being drunk and going up to Austin police and bitching them out for arresting his friends...

Bush Nephew Nabbed | The Smoking Gun

 

[Orion]

It's becoming popular in western nations to have free speech zones during big events, like the G20 or olympics. It really sickens me.

 

[justabubba]

If we are agreeing, then Im changing my position!!!

yes, i showered immediately after posting that

 

[Crunch]

It's becoming popular in western nations to have free speech zones during big events, like the G20 or olympics. It really sickens me.

It's what we get for letting the courts change the definition of the words in the Constitution to be whatever they want them to mean.

We still have "free speech"..... nobody is chargeing us for any words.

 

[Orion]

It's what we get for letting the courts change the definition of the words in the Constitution to be whatever they want them to mean.

We still have "free speech"..... nobody is chargeing us for any words.

That has nothing to do with it. Big protests in major cities have required permits for a long time for real public safety reasons, but it's quite another thing to deny individuals the right to protest at will unless they are in free speech zones.

The reason why it's still happening is because people are just sitting back and taking it. Not enough people are willing to stand up and reaffirm their rights to their governments, so their governments will just keep getting bolder and bolder. The Constitution doesn't mean anything if citizens don't fight for its recognition.