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"We really thought we'd resolved this question of people who are here illegally, but as we reflected on the President's speech last night we wanted to go back and drill down again," said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND), according to Time. The incident reportedly has led Finance chairman Max Baucus to insert a provision in his legislation to require participants in the health insurance exchanges to provide proof of citizenship.
Obama haters as opposed to Obama butt kissers? :rofl I love when the uninformed think that using hyperbolic BS is a credible substitute for intelligent debate.
Here's a little factoid for you Hyper, although you have shown time and again that you are immune to them; illegal aliens currently do have access to healthcare today and the Democrats are reluctant to put any language in these proposals that will limit illegal access because they are pandering to the Hispanic voters and will not do anything that will possibly cost them votes.
The FACT is that Obama is LYING outright when he makes the FALSE claim that illegal aliens will NOT have access to FREE healthcare under this DEMOCRAT plan to RUIN what is currently the best healthcare system in the world. Democrats have repeatedly defeated efforts by the Republicans to insert language into these bills that will deny care to illegal aliens.
Now I know that being an Obama butt kisser, many will be immune to the OBVIOUS and the FACTS; but those are the FACTS and all the efforts to deny them doesn't make this Obama butt kissing any more credible.
Carry on. :rofl
HorseHockey. The man WAS lying, and his congressional cronies had already voted the "SAVE" provisions out of the bill.
The "SAVE" provisions were the only legal way to determine if someone was legal before providing them care.
The man was lying because his cronies has already legislated away the bouncer.
Oh my, this is truly funny. In other words; "Don’t bother me with facts; I refuse to believe anyone's partisan opinions except for the hyper partisans that I agree with!"
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What man was lying, Wilson! We k now Wilson lied and is a jerk so why are you telling us one more time that Wilson is a liar ? Stop the redundancies , please !!
Yep, Joe Wilson lied. Illegals can't get health coverage under this plan, just like Obama said.
That's why the Democrats ran out and immediately closed the loophole.....:lol:
It's a good thing Wilson said something, or Baucus would have completely forgotten to insert the provision requiring proof of citizenship, even though Republicans tried to include it twice.
I am sorry for you that your reading comprehension is so poor.
Obama was lying during his address.
The Congressional Dems had already voted off the "SAVE" provisions, thus leaving no legal way for providers to determine residency before providing care / benefits.
I had read somewhere that illegals were already NOT included and that the Republcan so called provision to exclude them was just redundant puffery!! Smoke. Ploitical tomfoolery, nothing more. Just political posturing and BS, phoney, you know like astro turf.
You and Wilson are either blind Obama haters or do not know a lie when you hear one. Show us one iota of proof that President Obama had lied as you guys so falaciously accuse him of. You cannot becasue he did not lie.
Joe Wilson said what everyone else already knows: PBO is lying through his teeth when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegals. Unless he plans on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals.
You Obama haters are out of control. The President can start an address on Dec 25th and say that it is Christmas day and A-HOLES like Wilson and other Obama haters will jump up and scream "you're lying".
You read somewhere??? Daily Kos?? Democratic Underground?? Huffington Post???
Maybe you should start reading legitimate sources and you might come off better informed than you have in this thread.
The Democrats introduced language to close the loophole AFTER Joe Wilson brought it to everyone's attention. The man should get a medal.
Unless you have some proof that it was already in the bill, you are guilty of political posturing, BS, phoney, you know like astro turf. :mrgreen:
So Wilson "should get a medal" for bing a crude jerk!! That truly is funny!!
Already explained.
Do you know what the SAVE program is ?
USCIS - SAVE
If there is no legal way to determine residency prior to the delivery of care / benefits, then illegals will get them.
The fact that the bill "claims" they won't, is a lie, because the provision to enforce that claim has been voted out.
No Enforcement Provision = No Denial of Care
Thank you for explaining that so well.
I believe it wont matter in the end however.
It may have already mattered, since Congressional Dems have had to go back and reinsert the provisions once they were called out.
Well it matters to you and me to get it right but it wont matter to those who cannot see the forest for the trees or vice versa. The focus should be on getting it right and not fast or with a potential to be abused.
In other words, the only way they can get it done is to use diversions to distract the dumbmasses. Gotcha.
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Already explained.
Do you know what the SAVE program is ?
USCIS - SAVE
If there is no legal way to determine residency prior to the delivery of care / benefits, then illegals will get them.
The fact that the bill "claims" they won't, is a lie, because the provision to enforce that claim has been voted out.
No Enforcement Provision = No Denial of Care
Anyone who thinks that a rude public comment, or an ill advised insult or personal attack made by a member of either party, is going to be a deciding factor on how people evaluate the proposed health care reform, are sadly mistaken. Those who believe such a thing, are not only underestimating the American people, they're also insulting them.
Under existing federal law illegals already do get treated and covered on expenses.
Thank you for explaining that so well. I wish I had put it that way about ten pages ago.
I believe it wont matter in the end however.
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