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Jill Biden says she no longer considers Lindsey Graham a friend

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I don't know. Which party completely flipped out with fear, hatred, anger, and bigotry, for no obvious reason? Hard to be friends with someone who keeps flipping you off for no obvious reason.

I did not flip my intolerant former friend off. In fact I wish him well. He just prefers to live in a bubble, which is okay. People get to do that.
 

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CNN tells us every day that nobody is friends with anyone anymore. We all hate each other apparently.
 

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He's definitely not "normal". But that doesn't make him a Nazi. Words have meaning. Nazi doesn't mean, "abnormal".

I didn't say HE wasn't normal, I said this **** isn't normal. So again. If he isn't a Nazi, then what is he. He's attempting to become a dictator. He wants everybody out of this country who isn't WASP. There are kids on the border in cages - we have concentration camps. How do you verbalize what all this adds up to? Why is he thinking there are "very fine people on both sides?"
 

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No, you just found yourself ill-equipped to deal with the natural responses, of which I was not the only one to give.

You should try making friends with people who think differently from you, or at least not view them as automatic enemies, always assuming the worst. There's a whole world out there to enjoy if you do.

Harshaw, these are noble words and I applaud you for trying to raise the level of discourse on this forum. However, I do find myself a little perplexed at the fact that as it pertains to the most important legal, constitutional, and political issue facing our country these past few weeks that you've been largely silent.

I am curious about your thoughts on the Senate trial witnesses? What do you make of the arguments the White House has been making in court to advance the argument that the President can forbid his senior aides from testifying before Congress. Do you think the witnesses should have testified during the Senate trial?

Your responses concerning the House impeachment inquiry and the Senate trial have been few in number, and have usually involved criticism of the Democrats or issues on the margins of the main discussion such as things like the color of Pelosi's clothing.

I have asked you this question several times over the past week and you've ignored every single post. Being a lawyer, patriot, and a libertarian, an active forum contributor, an active contributor to discussions related to legal issues on this forum, especially within the past few weeks, it would seem this would be a topic you'd want to discuss, instead of avoiding.
 
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I didn't say HE wasn't normal, I said this **** isn't normal. So again. If he isn't a Nazi, then what is he. He's attempting to become a dictator. He wants everybody out of this country who isn't WASP. There are kids on the border in cages - we have concentration camps. How do you verbalize what all this adds up to? Why is he thinking there are "very fine people on both sides?"

We don't have Nazi concentration camps. No forced labor, no gas chambers, no mass deaths, no beatings, no starvation, no rounding up people and shipping them en masse to the camps.

You sound a lot like my former friend.
 

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I often wonder what Cindy McCain thinks of Graham now. Probably not much. He went from being her husband's ***** boy to being that freak Trump's butt boy.

Steve Schmidt described Graham to a 'T'.

"...essentially what he is in American politics is what, in the aquatic world, would be a pilot fish: a smaller fish that hovers about a larger predator, like a shark, living off of its detritus. That's Lindsey. And when he swam around the McCain shark, broadly viewed as a virtuous and good shark, Lindsey took on the patina of virtue. But wherever the apex shark is, you find the Lindsey fish hovering about, and Trump's the newest shark in the sea. Lindsey has a real draw to power — but he's found it unattainable on his own merits."

READ: Steve Schmidt Says: '[Lindsey Graham] is...a Pilot Fish: a Smaller Fish that Hovers about a Larger Predator, like a Shark, Living off of Its Detritus' - Second Nexus
 

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We don't have Nazi concentration camps. No forced labor, no gas chambers, no mass deaths, no beatings, no starvation, no rounding up people and shipping them en masse to the camps.

You sound a lot like my former friend.

We hold children in camps.We're rounding up people and deporting them. We are also banning people based on their race and religion.

Wait and see if Trump gets a second term. He's just getting warmed up.
 

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We hold children in camps.We're rounding up people and deporting them. We are also banning people based on their race and religion.

Wait and see if Trump gets a second term. He's just getting warmed up.

The last president held children in detention centers and rounded up and deported people so I guess he was a Nazi too. In fact every country on the planet holds children and deports those that enter illegally, so they're all Nazis.

And we are not and did not ban people based on race or religion. You sound a lot like my former friend too.
 

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Steve Schmidt and other like-minded conservatives are a breath of fresh air. His Lincoln Project is a brilliant idea - using Republican tactics against Republicans. They have an effective Martha McSally ad. Damn good ad, actually.

As always, Schmidt is entirely on point with his characterization of Graham
 

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You know one now. I'm a conservative, I did not vote for Trump in 2016, and I was unfriended on Facebook by a friend of 30 years for suggesting Trump was not a Nazi during one of his TDS rants.

Claiming your friend has TDS for calling out Trump.

I don't think you were unfriended for being a conservative.
 

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We don't have Nazi concentration camps. No forced labor, no gas chambers, no mass deaths, no beatings, no starvation, no rounding up people and shipping them en masse to the camps.

You sound a lot like my former friend.

Not all nazis worked the death camps. The people who ran the camp were supported in their rise to power by millions who didn't do those things. They just looked the other way. The nazi party was more than just death camps as well. It is their ideology, and methods that eventually led to persecution of people. The Nazi comparisons aren't about death camps. They are about ideologies. It is no different than the comparisons of Sanders to socialism and communism. I don't think you people think that Sanders has actually killed millions, or reenacted Tienanmen square.
 

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Claiming your friend has TDS for calling out Trump.

I don't think you were unfriended for being a conservative.

I don't think so either. He's known for years that I'm conservative. I was unfriended for "defending" Trump (ie saying he's not a Nazi). Because he's not. He's many things but a Nazi is not one of them.
 

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Not all nazis worked the death camps. The people who ran the camp were supported in their rise to power by millions who didn't do those things. They just looked the other way. The nazi party was more than just death camps as well. It is their ideology, and methods that eventually led to persecution of people. The Nazi comparisons aren't about death camps. They are about ideologies. It is no different than the comparisons of Sanders to socialism and communism. I don't think you people think that Sanders has actually killed millions, or reenacted Tienanmen square.

Except Sanders self-describes as a Democratic-Socialist. Trump doesn't self-identify as a Democratic-Nazi.

Also, Sanders honeymooned in the Soviet Union. Trump didn't honeymoon in some right-wing fascist country like Franco's Spain or Pinochet's Chile.
 

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I don't think so either. He's known for years that I'm conservative. I was unfriended for "defending" Trump (ie saying he's not a Nazi). Because he's not. He's many things but a Nazi is not one of them.

He may not be a card carrying member of the Nazi party but I explained that already to you. You weren't unfriended for defending Trump, you clearly attacked your friend claiming he/she had tds. I assume that is what got you unfriended, but don't let me stop you from being the victim here.
 

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Except Sanders self-describes as a Democratic-Socialist. Trump doesn't self-identify as a Democratic-Nazi.

Also, Sanders honeymooned in the Soviet Union. Trump didn't honeymoon in some right-wing fascist country like Franco's Spain or Pinochet's Chile.

So self descriptions is all the matters. I wasn't aware. I thought actions and words would play a part. Silly me.
 

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He may not be a card carrying member of the Nazi party but I explained that already to you. You weren't unfriended for defending Trump, you clearly attacked your friend claiming he/she had tds. I assume that is what got you unfriended, but don't let me stop you from being the victim here.

I did not accuse my former friend of having TDS. And I am not the victim. I figure it's his loss.
 

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So self descriptions is all the matters. I wasn't aware. I thought actions and words would play a part. Silly me.

Self-description is both action and words. It is not all that matters, but it is certainly a very strong identifier. I'll take an honest 1st person self-description over a 3rd party opinion any day of the week.
 

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Self-description is both action and words. It is not all that matters, but it is certainly a very strong identifier. I'll take an honest 1st person self-description over a 3rd party opinion any day of the week.

Oh, so Trump is honest in your mind so therefore his self descriptions are honest and you take him at his words. It must be that all these others who point out his thousands of lies are wrong but you were the one able to see the truth. How enlightened of you. Sucks for your "friend" to no longer have you to point out how silly he is for doubting Trump. I hope he is ok.
 

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Victimization and denials. I'm sure it is his loss. Poor fella.

My thoughts exactly. He'll always be that guy who turned his back on a friend because of a political disagreement.
 

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Oh, so Trump is honest in your mind so therefore his self descriptions are honest and you take him at his words. It must be that all these others who point out his thousands of lies are wrong but you were the one able to see the truth. How enlightened of you. Sucks for your "friend" to no longer have you to point out how silly he is for doubting Trump. I hope he is ok.

I hope he is okay too. No hard feelings.

And I never called him silly or anything else.
 

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We don't have Nazi concentration camps. No forced labor, no gas chambers, no mass deaths, no beatings, no starvation, no rounding up people and shipping them en masse to the camps.

You sound a lot like my former friend.

You really think that Germany went from sunshine and daisies to camps? And - what are you trying to tell me. You don't think that the FACT that there are camps full of brown people is indicative of anything whatsoever? Cmon now!
 

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The last president held children in detention centers and rounded up and deported people so I guess he was a Nazi too. In fact every country on the planet holds children and deports those that enter illegally, so they're all Nazis.

And we are not and did not ban people based on race or religion. You sound a lot like my former friend too.

So. You never heard of the Muslim ban?
 

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You really think that Germany went from sunshine and daisies to camps? And - what are you trying to tell me. You don't think that the FACT that there are camps full of brown people is indicative of anything whatsoever? Cmon now!

Whatever.
 
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