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Jewish & Christian Holy Days

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The contrasting holidays of Christianity and Judaism illustrate the dichotomy between the two religions. Christmas and Easter celebrate universal themes offering hope and salvation for all mankind. Christmas officially marks the birth of the Savior and celebrates the desire for “peace on Earth and goodwill toward men.” Easter, a more somber occasion, represents the promise of universal salvation through the Resurrection of Christ. While Christians celebrate universal goodwill on their holy days, Jews celebrate historic military victories against their Gentile enemies.

Near the time of Christmas the Jews celebrate Hanukkah, a commemoration of their military victory in 165 BC over their hated enemy, the Greek-descended King Antiochus IV of Syria. The victory finds its remembrance by the miracle of the long-burning oil lamps in their recaptured temple. As Christians enter the Lenten Season and prepare for the celebrations of Christ’s offer of salvation, the Jews celebrate Passover, a holiday that is, again, based on an ancient conflict between Jew and Gentile. Passover is an unambiguous reference to the night when the spirit of death harmlessly “passed over” Jewish homes and descended into the homes of their hated Egyptian enemies, killing every firstborn male from newborn to elderly in all of Egypt. It may be shocking to put it this way, but in reality it is a celebration of mass infanticide.

Another important Jewish holiday is the Feast of Lots, called Purim.
The festival celebrates the Jewish massacre of thousands of Persians along with their prime minister Haman and his 10 sons. It even includes the symbolic eating of the supposed anti-Semite’s ears (Haman’s ears--hamantaschen) in the form of three-sided cookies.
Another of their Purim celebrations invoves Jews beating willow branches in the synagogues meant to represent the flogging of Haman.

Imagine if Klansmen observed a ritual in which they made and ate cookies shaped to represent the ears of Martin Luther king and held a holy ceremony in which they symbolically whipped him! Purim has been celebrated annually since long before the time of Christ and has certainly been important in the fomenting of hatred and suspicion of Gentiles in the hearts and minds of Jewish children. This repulsive ceremony is analogous to Christian churches teaching our chidren to symbolically beat the Jewish Pharisees who condemned Jesus and then eating foods symbolizing the pulverized body parts of the Jewish priests. Of course, such would be completely antithetical to the spirit of Christianity, yet such revengeful attitudes are at the very core of Judaism.

Excerpts from “My Awakening” by David Duke
 

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Oy! Now you're quoting that king of putz's, David Duke?
a non aryan version
History of Passover relates back to over 3,000 years ago, when the Jews were held as slaves by the Egyptian Pharaoh, Rameses II. Moses, who looked after the cause of the Jews, asked Pharaoh several times to release them from slavery, and warned Him that he would devastate his people by plagues. Moses inflicted 10 plagues, and after all the 9 plagues, the Pharaoh agreed to release the Jews from slavery, but quickly changed his mind. (You can read about the 10 plagues by clicking here.) After the 10th plague however, he let the Jews go. The Jews left in a hurry, owing to the fickle-mindness of the Pharaoh, and could thus only take unleavened bread with them, called Matza, which is a part of celebration even today. As expected, the Pharaoh send his army after the Jews so that they could be brought back. The jews travelled for 40 days and nights, and reached Red Sea, where they saw the emperor's army advancing towards them. In despair they asked for help from Moses, who parted the waters of Red Sea for the Jews to cross. As soon as the Jews crossed, the Red Sea regained and drowned the soldiers.

Since the time of Jewish freedom from Egyptian slavery, Jews have celebrated this historical event by having a feast called the 'Seder'. The word 'Seder' means 'order' and refers to the order of historical events recalled in the Passover meal as well as the meal itself. The story of Passover is read from a book called the 'Haggadah'. While the main story of Passover is read by Jews the world over, local customs and traditions have changed over time, so that the festival has been adapted to reflect the life and routine of individual communities. This is why the festival of Passover is celebrated differently in Tunisia than in Canada.

And let's not forget your Christ's last supper was Passover.
Purim
The events commemorated by Purim took place in the ancient Persian Empire, in the fifth century BCE, under the reign of King Achashverosh. Mordechai, a Jew, refused to bow down and prostrate himself before Haman, the vizier to the King. Haman immediately set out "to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Achashverosh" (Esther 3,6). In order to effect his vicious racist plan, Haman decided to enlist the aid of the unsuspecting King
Achashverosh. Since Haman was a very superstitious person, he had lots cast to determine on which day he should carry out his design. The word for lots is "Purim", and from it we get the name for the holiday. The chosen date was the thirteenth of Adar.
The king, who trusted Haman, agreed to his plan to murder the Jews. For Haman had told him that the Jews were "scattered abroad in all the provinces," and that "their laws are different from those of every people" (Esther 3,8).

Letters, written by Haman and signed by the king, were sent out throughout all the provinces, commanding all persons "to destroy, to slay, and to cause to perish all the Jews" (Esther 3,13). The Jews would have been massacred, had it not been for Esther, Mordechai's cousin, who had been chosen queen a few years earlier. Queen Esther was able to intercede and save the Jewish community from genocide.
Haman was hanged on the gallows which he himself had prepared for Mordechai.
The Jews of Persia were spared and judgments were executed on their enemies.
Mordechai thereupon sent letters to all the Jews,
calling upon them to observe the fourteenth and the
fifteenth of Adar, "the days wherein the Jews had
rest from their enemies, and the month which was
turned for them from sorrow to gladness, and from
mourning into a good day; that they should make
them days of feasting and gladness, and of sending
portions (mishloach manot) one to another and gifts
to the poor (matanot la'evyonim)" (Esther 9,22).
Some of the nicest traditions of Purim are matanot laevyonim, the giving of gifts to the poor, and mishloach manot, the giving of gifts of food to friends and family.
Purim is known as a time of delicious smells emanating from the kitchen from the baking of the delicious sweets and goodies. Hamantaschen, a Purim cookie named for the three-cornered hat that Haman wore, is one of the favorites.

Purim's not that big of a deal, at least here in the US
Channukah isn't either, it became a big deal because of its proximity to the Christmas holiday, which is so major as to push aside other religious celebrations, including the holy days of Ramadan.

Following will be the real history of Christmas.
 

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An Ancient Holiday
The middle of winter has long been a time of celebration around the world. Centuries before the arrival of the man called Jesus, early Europeans celebrated light and birth in the darkest days of winter. Many peoples rejoiced during the winter solstice, when the worst of the winter was behind them and they could look forward to longer days and extended hours of sunlight.
In Scandinavia, the Norse celebrated Yule from December 21, the winter solstice, through January. In recognition of the return of the sun, fathers and sons would bring home large logs, which they would set on fire. The people would feast until the log burned out, which could take as many as 12 days. The Norse believed that each spark from the fire represented a new pig or calf that would be born during the coming year.

The end of December was a perfect time for celebration in most areas of Europe. At that time of year, most cattle were slaughtered so they would not have to be fed during the winter. For many, it was the only time of year when they had a supply of fresh meat. In addition, most wine and beer made during the year was finally fermented and ready for drinking.

In Germany, people honored the pagan god Oden during the mid-winter holiday. Germans were terrified of Oden, as they believed he made nocturnal flights through the sky to observe his people, and then decide who would prosper or perish. Because of his presence, many people chose to stay inside.
Saturnalia
In Rome, where winters were not as harsh as those in the far north, Saturnalia—a holiday in honor of Saturn, the god of agriculture—was celebrated. Beginning in the week leading up to the winter solstice and continuing for a full month, Saturnalia was a hedonistic time, when food and drink were plentiful and the normal Roman social order was turned upside down. For a month, slaves would become masters. Peasants were in command of the city. Business and schools were closed so that everyone could join in the fun.




Also around the time of the winter solstice, Romans observed Juvenalia, a feast honoring the children of Rome. In addition, members of the upper classes often celebrated the birthday of Mithra, the god of the unconquerable sun, on December 25. It was believed that Mithra, an infant god, was born of a rock. For some Romans, Mithra's birthday was the most sacred day of the year.
In the early years of Christianity, Easter was the main holiday; the birth of Jesus was not celebrated. In the fourth century, church officials decided to institute the birth of Jesus as a holiday.
Unfortunately, the Bible does not mention date for his birth (a fact Puritans later pointed out in order to deny the legitimacy of the celebration). Although some evidence suggests that his birth may have occurred in the spring (why would shepherds be herding in the middle of winter?), Pope Julius I chose December 25. It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival. First called the Feast of the Nativity, the custom spread to Egypt by 432 and to England by the end of the sixth century. By the end of the eighth century, the celebration of Christmas had spread all the way to Scandinavia. Today, in the Greek and Russian orthodox churches, Christmas is celebrated 13 days after the 25th, which is also referred to as the Epiphany or Three Kings Day. This is the day it is believed that the three wise men finally found Jesus in the manger.

By holding Christmas at the same time as traditional winter solstice festivals, church leaders increased the chances that Christmas would be popularly embraced, but gave up the ability to dictate how it was celebrated. By the Middle Ages, Christianity had, for the most part, replaced pagan religion. On Christmas, believers attended church, then celebrated raucously in a drunken, carnival-like atmosphere similar to today's Mardi Gras. Each year, a beggar or student would be crowned the "lord of misrule" and eager celebrants played the part of his subjects. The poor would go to the houses of the rich and demand their best food and drink. If owners failed to comply, their visitors would most likely terrorize them with mischief. Christmas became the time of year when the upper classes could repay their real or imagined "debt" to society by entertaining less fortunate citizens.


To be continued....
 

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An Outlaw Christmas
In the early 17th century, a wave of religious reform changed the way Christmas was celebrated in Europe. When Oliver Cromwell and his Puritan forces took over England in 1645, they vowed to rid England of decadence and, as part of their effort, cancelled Christmas. By popular demand, Charles II was restored to the throne and, with him, came the return of the popular holiday.
The pilgrims, English separatists that came to America in 1620, were even more orthodox in their Puritan beliefs than Cromwell. As a result, Christmas was not a holiday in early America. From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was actually outlawed in Boston. Anyone exhibiting the Christmas spirit was fined five shillings. By contrast, in the Jamestown settlement, Captain John Smith reported that Christmas was enjoyed by all and passed without incident.
After the American Revolution, English customs fell out of favor, including Christmas. In fact, Congress was in session on December 25, 1789, the first Christmas under America's new constitution. Christmas wasn't declared a federal holiday until June 26, 1870.
Irving Reinvents Christmas
It wasn't until the 19th century that Americans began to embrace Christmas. Americans re-invented Christmas, and changed it from a raucous carnival holiday into a family-centered day of peace and nostalgia. But what about the 1800s peaked American interest in the holiday?
The early 19th century was a period of class conflict and turmoil. During this time, unemployment was high and gang rioting by the disenchanted classes often occurred during the Christmas season. In 1828, the New York city council instituted the city's first police force in response to a Christmas riot. This catalyzed certain members of the upper classes to begin to change the way Christmas was celebrated in America.
In 1819, best-selling author Washington Irving wrote The Sketchbook of Geoffrey Crayon, gent., a series of stories about the celebration of Christmas in an English manor house.
The sketches feature a squire who invited the peasants into his home for the holiday. In contrast to the problems faced in American society, the two groups mingled effortlessly. In Irving's mind, Christmas should be a peaceful, warm-hearted holiday bringing groups together across lines of wealth or social status. Irving's fictitious celebrants enjoyed "ancient customs," including the crowning of a Lord of Misrule. Irving's book, however, was not based on any holiday celebration he had attended—in fact, many historians say that Irving's account actually "invented" tradition by implying that it described the true customs of the season.
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So you see, Kid,it's an established fact the the 'holiest' day of the year, as Christmas is sometimes referred as, is actually a Pagan holiday. Next up, the history of Easter, also a Pagan holiday, named for the godess, Oestre or Ostra. And I don't need a bigot to quote....these are established facts.
 

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history of easter
Easter is a time of springtime festivals. In Christian countries Easter is celebrated as the religious holiday commemorating the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the son of God. But the celebrations of Easter have many customs and legends that are pagan in origin and have nothing to do with Christianity
Scholars, accepting the derivation proposed by the 8th-century English scholar St. Bede,
believe the name Easter is thought to come from the Scandinavian "Ostra" and the Teutonic "Ostern" or "Eastre," both Goddesses of mythology signifying spring and fertility whose festival was celebrated on the day of the vernal equinox.
Traditions associated with the festival survive in the Easter rabbit, a symbol of fertility, and in colored easter eggs, originally painted with bright colors to represent the sunlight of spring, and used in Easter-egg rolling contests or given as gifts.
The Christian celebration of Easter embodies a number of converging traditions with emphasis on the relation of Easter to the Jewish festival of Passover, or Pesach, from which is derived Pasch, another name used by Europeans for Easter. Passover is an important feast in the Jewish calendar which is celebrated for 8 days and commemorates the flight and freedom of the Israelites from slavery in Egypt.
The early Christians, many of whom were of Jewish origin, were brought up in the Hebrew tradition and regarded Easter as a new feature of the Passover festival, a commemoration of the advent of the Messiah as foretold by the prophets.
Easter is observed by the churches of the West on the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or following the spring equinox (March 2I). So Easter became a "movable" feast which can occur as early as March 22 or as late as April 25.
Christian churches in the East which were closer to the birthplace of the new religion and in which old traditions were strong, observe Easter according to the date of the Passover festival

Easter is at the end of the Lenten season, which covers a forty-six-day period that begins on Ash Wednesday and ends with Easter. The Lenten season itself comprises forty days, as the six Sundays in Lent are not actually a part of Lent. Sundays are considered a commemoration of Easter Sunday and have always been excluded from the Lenten fast. The Lenten season is a period of penitence in preparation for the highest festival of the church year, Easter

Holy Week, the last week of Lent, begins its with the observance of Palm Sunday. Palm Sunday takes its name from Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem where the crowds laid palms at his feet. Holy Thursday commemorates the Last Supper, which was held the evening before the Crucifixion. Friday in Holy Week is the anniversary of the Crufixion, the day that Christ was crucified and died on the cross
Holy week and the Lenten season end with Easter Sunday, the day of resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I hope you enjoy celebrating your Pagan/Jewish heritage, Kid...I know I do.
 

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So you see, Kid,it's an established fact the the 'holiest' day of the year, as Christmas is sometimes referred as, is actually a Pagan holiday. Next up, the history of Easter, also a Pagan holiday, named for the godess, Oestre or Ostra. And I don't need a bigot to quote....these are established facts.[/QUOTE]


***While some of that ancient history you quoted may or may not be true, the fact remains that you have simply ignored present day worship as contrasted between the Christians and the Jews. Like David said, Jewish celebration of Holidays centers around the persecution of various peoples (Gentiles), while Christianity takes the opposite approach by celebrating universal themes offering hope and salvation for all of mankind.

Let me quote David again so as to show the differences between the two religions by their origins of belief: And I quote, "The Jewish people and their religion were entwined. Belief in God was necessary to preserve the tribe azs much as preserving the tribe was important to safeguarding the religion. However, according to the Zionist state of Israel, race is far more important than religious belief. A prospective immigrant does not have to practice or believe in Judaism to immigrate to Israel; in fact he can be an outspoken atheist and Communist. He must only prove Jewish descent. Protection of the ethnic identity of the Jewish people became the main reasdon for Judaism's existence".

"In the Middle East (and later throughout the world) the Jews mingled with many peoples, and yet they preserved their heritage and essential customs. They are the only ethnic minority in Western nations that has not assimilated after thousands of years". From me: While you can see that the Jewish people refuse to assimilate with other races throughout history, you should also be aware that this lack of assimilation (be it religious or secular) by the Jewish race proves my and David's point that the God they worship is in fact the God representing those of Jewish descent.

I'll leave it to you to show me how the Jewish Religion, or the celebration of Jewish holidays offers a universal theme of goodwill to all and Peace on Earth with hope and salvation for all of mankind. Answer that one question correctly, and we can both take a break.
 

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'May or may not be true'??? So the History Channel could be lying?Feh....you're a hopeless bigot....
The Jewish holiday, Channukah, celebrates a miracle of life, the salvation of the Mordecai's from their attackers because, being holed up with no hope and in darkness, they were given light to further hold off and defeat their attackers.
Every holiday you claim to be one of Jews celebrating killing was one of them celebrating NOT being wiped out by Roman, Greek and Egyptian empires.
Present day 'Christian' worship is entwined completely because of the melding of Jewish and Pagan traditional celebration...I'd be willing to bet you didn't read any of those histories through. Channukah/Winter Solstice=the 'church' decrees it should be a time to celebrate the birth of Christ'. Spring Solstice/feast of Ostra/Passover=the 'church' decrees it should be a celebration of the ressurection.
You just refuse to acknowledge YOUR own history. That's fine. Ignorance is bliss, I guess....
 

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The only racism or bigotry being displayed here, is that of the Jewish people and their refusal to assimilate with other races, and their refusal to universally spread the good word of God. Your immature comment of calling me a bigot is further proof that you cannot come up with one message from the Jewish religion that shows a willingness to spread and share the good word of God for peace and salvation for "ALL". I fail to see how presenting facts constitutes bigotry on behalf of the messenger.

It takes two to properly debate an issue. Namecalling and an inability on your part to come up with an answer to my question suggests that our little brief encounter with possible debate has come to a close. Btw, you may want to include the entire Jewish race into your narrow version of describing true bigotry. That may be difficult for you, for one needs to have an open mind in order to formulate fact.
 

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:lamo You....have an open mind????:lamo What you want is not debate, but for Jewish people to be 'Christian'...which is really ironic since your own prejudices against them shows you to be quite UN-Christian.
Ever hear of the JDL?
As for 'assimilating', Jews don't generally walk around in burkas and saris....I would strongly suggest you take a seat at your local mall and, with pad and paper, count the Jews that walk by.:roll:
And just for the record, I'm a product of assimilation-Jewish mother, Catholic father.
I formulate fact just fine, thank you. I gave you enough posts of them, which you refuse to even acknowledge of proof of your own heritage.
Final note, Jewish is NOT a race. It's a religion, a culture. The fact that you would label it as a race shows YOUR narrow-mindedness. Race shares physical characteristics in keeping with region of origin.
 

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:lamo You....have an open mind????:lamo What you want is not debate, but for Jewish people to be 'Christian'...which is really ironic since your own prejudices against them shows you to be quite UN-Christian.
Ever hear of the JDL?
As for 'assimilating', Jews don't generally walk around in burkas and saris....I would strongly suggest you take a seat at your local mall and, with pad and paper, count the Jews that walk by.:roll:
And just for the record, I'm a product of assimilation-Jewish mother, Catholic father.
I formulate fact just fine, thank you. I gave you enough posts of them, which you refuse to even acknowledge of proof of your own heritage.
Final note, Jewish is NOT a race. It's a religion, a culture. The fact that you would label it as a race shows YOUR narrow-mindedness. Race shares physical characteristics in keeping with region of origin.


does not assimilating into a culture make you bad? one could argue that not assimilating shows true pride in your culture.

And hes not the first to describe "Jew" as a race. Doctors do it all the time, because medically speaking Jews are a race, the system of internal marriage has been around for so long, that there are certain diseases, like Tay-Sachs disease, whose target population is labeled as "Jews" in many medical reference books. There are exceptions, and just because alot of jews have a disease doesnt mean that its specific to them, of course.
 

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Tay-Sachs is primarily found in people of Eastern European Jewish and Ashkenazi descent. Just as Sickle-Cell is found primarily in the Black population, it is not limited as such. ://http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/681_1227.asp"]March of Dimes
"Some non-Jewish individuals of French-Canadian ancestry (from the East St. Lawrence River Valley of Quebec), and members of the Cajun population in Louisiana, are at similarly increased risk. These groups have about 100 times the rate of occurrence of other ethnic groups."
The Jewish population in general crosses a myriad of race and color, from the Jewish of Ethiopia (where some conjecture Christ is actually from), to Northern Europeans. They are just as likely to be blonde and blue-eyed as they are brunette and olive-skinned.
The jewish population 'assimilates' as much as any other, so I really don't know what Kid is talking about and I don't think he does either, quite frankly.
He has his traditions, Jews have theirs, etc. His remarks are of the sort probably made by those involved in the Spanish Inquisition.
 

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yea thats what i said.
 

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:lamo You....have an open mind????:lamo What you want is not debate, but for Jewish people to be 'Christian'...which is really ironic since your own prejudices against them shows you to be quite UN-Christian.
Ever hear of the JDL?
As for 'assimilating', Jews don't generally walk around in burkas and saris....I would strongly suggest you take a seat at your local mall and, with pad and paper, count the Jews that walk by.:roll:
And just for the record, I'm a product of assimilation-Jewish mother, Catholic father.
I formulate fact just fine, thank you. I gave you enough posts of them, which you refuse to even acknowledge of proof of your own heritage.
Final note, Jewish is NOT a race. It's a religion, a culture. The fact that you would label it as a race shows YOUR narrow-mindedness. Race shares physical characteristics in keeping with region of origin.


***I figure this is a mistake in further replying to your ignorance, but what the heck.

What makes you think I want the Jewish people to be Christian? That's quite a stretch figuring the Orthodox Jews do not believe Christ to be the savior for mankind. Of course I've heard of the JDL. That is just another group of Jews trying to use litigation (with the help of the Jewish run ACLU) to help bolster the skewed Jewish legacy.

You still cannot prove of how the Orthodox Jews in America assimilate with other races. Last I heard, it was still a no no for Jews to inter-marry with anyone from the Gentile population.

And of course the Jews are a race, just like the Irish or English are a race of people. I happen to be an American with Irish/English roots. What the Jews lack of course is any defining Nationality or the lack of a defining National state to call their own. You do know that Israel was given to them as a nation state shortly after WWII?

Could you please point out again how it is that the Jews have assimilated into the American culture with other people that are not Orthodox Jews.
 

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***I figure this is a mistake in further replying to your ignorance, but what the heck.

What makes you think I want the Jewish people to be Christian? That's quite a stretch figuring the Orthodox Jews do not believe Christ to be the savior for mankind. Of course I've heard of the JDL. That is just another group of Jews trying to use litigation (with the help of the Jewish run ACLU) to help bolster the skewed Jewish legacy.

You still cannot prove of how the Orthodox Jews in America assimilate with other races. Last I heard, it was still a no no for Jews to inter-marry with anyone from the Gentile population.

And of course the Jews are a race, just like the Irish or English are a race of people. I happen to be an American with Irish/English roots. What the Jews lack of course is any defining Nationality or the lack of a defining National state to call their own. You do know that Israel was given to them as a nation state shortly after WWII?

Could you please point out again how it is that the Jews have assimilated into the American culture with other people that are not Orthodox Jews.

Do you realize that Orthodox Jews make up a VERY small percentage of Jewish faith observers?

Your ignorance of using Orthodox as your prime example is the equivalent of me using the Mormons as a prime example of showing how Christians have a problem with the one man one woman marriage. Or something dumb like that. Yes, Mormons ARE Christian.

So, once you stop using Dumb arguments to make your points, the debate will continue.

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You have been served by the Idiocy Police.
 

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Do you mean Hasidic Jews?? Want them to shave their pais and ditch the hats? Or do you mean the orthodox, who basically just wear their yarmulkas, the women must dress modestly and and they eschew modern conveniences on their sabbath and holy days?
Do you also require Hindi to assimilate? Or Shikh? Perhaps they should ditch their turbans and saris?
Oh, Amish...who the hell do they think they are not using cars and electricity?
Assimilate, you pagan Amish!!!! :roll:
 

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Do you realize that Orthodox Jews make up a VERY small percentage of Jewish faith observers?


***OK, not all Jews are orthodox. What's your point? My point is that the majority of Jews do celebrate those holy days that I spoke of. And the majority of Jews do not spread the good word of God, universally. Show me where I'm wrong, otherwise you will need to start calling yourself the idiot here, for I have better things to do than to argue with an unarmed man or boy.
 

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Caine said:
Do you realize that Orthodox Jews make up a VERY small percentage of Jewish faith observers?


***OK, not all Jews are orthodox. What's your point? My point is that the majority of Jews do celebrate those holy days that I spoke of. And the majority of Jews do not spread the good word of God, universally. Show me where I'm wrong, otherwise you will need to start calling yourself the idiot here, for I have better things to do than to argue with an unarmed man or boy.

Actually, you ned to show how Jews do not spread the good word of God, since you presented the argument. And since, to Jews, Jesus Christ is not God, using that is an irrelevant argument. As far as the holy days you spoke of, they are all celebrations of the end of Hebrew persecution.

It is, also, shear lunacy to quote David Duke on Jewish culture. This is a man who expouses nothing but predjudiced rhetoric, and clearly has no expertise in Jewish culture.
 

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I can't figure out how Kid knows what the word of God would be since he quotes known bigots as if they were factual and shows a clear distaste for the Jewish culture.
How is being so hateful and ignorant of a particular group of people spreading the word of God? Methinks instead of making threads against Jewish people, one should practice what one portends to preach and be a bit more accepting of differences and tolerating of religions unlike his own(whatever that is).
My point is that the majority of Jews do celebrate those holy days that I spoke of.
And I would gather you celebrate the birth of a man not proven to have existed, in addition to the preposterous notion that he died and came back again 3 days later....what's your point? At least the Jewish holidays and festivals celebrate actual happenings...
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
ptsdkid said:
Actually, you ned to show how Jews do not spread the good word of God, since you presented the argument. And since, to Jews, Jesus Christ is not God, using that is an irrelevant argument. As far as the holy days you spoke of, they are all celebrations of the end of Hebrew persecution.

It is, also, shear lunacy to quote David Duke on Jewish culture. This is a man who expouses nothing but predjudiced rhetoric, and clearly has no expertise in Jewish culture.


***Christians like myself have learned to spread the word of God. It was taught to me during my youthful Catechism class days. It is not up to me to show how Jews spread the word of God, for they do not spread the word. No one said that Jews had to believe in Jesus in order to spread the word. Looks like a cop out on your part.

And you're right, the Jews celebrate holy days by gloating over the persecution of Gentiles. What is so hard to understand about that? No where does this type of celebration give reverence to God, or show a universal salvation for mankind.

Not that you would ever read a book on facts, but David Duke's book "My Awakening" is loaded with facts on Jewish culture. Of course, you would have to read the book in order to make an intelligent assessment to the facts. I doubt very much that you have the ability to do such.

It seems to me that your use of the word predjudice could be applied to almost anyone. It reminds me of the way people loosely use the word racist. There is no foundation for your claim of predjudice.
 

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ptsdkid said:
Caine said:
Do you realize that Orthodox Jews make up a VERY small percentage of Jewish faith observers?


***OK, not all Jews are orthodox. What's your point? My point is that the majority of Jews do celebrate those holy days that I spoke of. And the majority of Jews do not spread the good word of God, universally. Show me where I'm wrong, otherwise you will need to start calling yourself the idiot here, for I have better things to do than to argue with an unarmed man or boy.

Do you know NOTHING about Judaism?

Are you aware that Proselytizing ( Im too lazy to look up spelling) is NOT encouraged in the Jewish religion?
When is the last time someone complained about a representative from the local Jewish temple waking them up at 8am on a Saturday morning trying to convince them to come to services? NEVER because JEWS DON'T PROSELYTIZE!

They don't run around demanding people become Jews.
According to Judaism, you don't have to adhere to the good word of god as long as you follow the 7 Noahide commandments which all people (Jew or Gentile) should abide by. (these came before the 10 commandments, which are for Jews).
 

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ptsdkid said:
***OK, not all Jews are orthodox. What's your point? My point is that the majority of Jews do celebrate those holy days that I spoke of. And the majority of Jews do not spread the good word of God, universally. Show me where I'm wrong, otherwise you will need to start calling yourself the idiot here, for I have better things to do than to argue with an unarmed man or boy.

No religion, unless modified, teaches the "universal" word of God. Christianity teaches on way to look at God and if you do not look at God in this specific way you are going to hell. What is universal about that?

The universal aspect of the Catholic Church is its ability to assimilate other religions into Christianity. That might mean to force those people to Christianity through physical or mental abuse or simply just killing so they cannot preach out against the church. To the Catholic Church it's for the "greater good".

Granted Christianity has moved away from brutal conversion tactics. Now they result to more mental abuse by telling non-believers what horrible people they are and how they are going to suffer in hell even though they are a good person and are most likely a better human being then the Christian telling them this.
 

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ptsdkid said:
CaptainCourtesy said:
***Christians like myself have learned to spread the word of God. It was taught to me during my youthful Catechism class days. It is not up to me to show how Jews spread the word of God, for they do not spread the word. No one said that Jews had to believe in Jesus in order to spread the word. Looks like a cop out on your part.

And you're right, the Jews celebrate holy days by gloating over the persecution of Gentiles. What is so hard to understand about that? No where does this type of celebration give reverence to God, or show a universal salvation for mankind.

Not that you would ever read a book on facts, but David Duke's book "My Awakening" is loaded with facts on Jewish culture. Of course, you would have to read the book in order to make an intelligent assessment to the facts. I doubt very much that you have the ability to do such.

It seems to me that your use of the word predjudice could be applied to almost anyone. It reminds me of the way people loosely use the word racist. There is no foundation for your claim of predjudice.
And how, do tell, are you spreading the word of God, as a Christian'? Every post of yours is filled with anti-semitism and total ignorance of the Jewish culture. You deny or ignore your own connections to this culture, one that predates your own by thousands of years and its traditions incorporated and mimicked by the Christian community.
So tell us, how are you spreading this 'word' you speak of?
 

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ptsdkid said:
CaptainCourtesy said:
It is not up to me to show how Jews spread the word of God, for they do not spread the word.

Actually it is up to you in this thread. You made an absolutist statement that you cannot substantiate. If you have any idea of how to debate intelligently, you would know that if you can't support your statement, you either need to identify that, stand down from the statement, or look foolish spewing comments that have no basis in fact.

I await the answer to my question. How do Jews not spread the good word of God?

No one said that Jews had to believe in Jesus in order to spread the word. Looks like a cop out on your part.

I was responding to your statement and referencing comment you have made about Jesus and God. If this was incorrect, I appologize, however, it was not a cop out.

And you're right, the Jews celebrate holy days by gloating over the persecution of Gentiles. What is so hard to understand about that? No where does this type of celebration give reverence to God, or show a universal salvation for mankind.

Completely false. How many Jewish ceremonies have you been to? There is no 'gloating over persecution of Gentiles'; as I said, it is celebration of being freed from persecution.

Not that you would ever read a book on facts, but David Duke's book "My Awakening" is loaded with facts on Jewish culture. Of course, you would have to read the book in order to make an intelligent assessment to the facts. I doubt very much that you have the ability to do such.

I have read many things on Jewish culture. David Duke is not Jewish and I would be interested to know what his qualifications are to write anything on Jews. His predjudiced statements mar anything he writes/says and cannot be taken seriously as 'facts'.
 

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Caine,

You seem to know a lot about Judaism. Are you a Noahide?
 
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