JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it ignores scientific studies showing it is '

[Vern]

JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it ignores scientific studies showing it is 'ineffective'​

10 JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it encourages unruly behavior but they're citing flawed science

The pilots point out that unruly passengers have created "chaos" in the skies, but their concerns about pilots' "mask fatigue" are bogus.

www.yahoo.com

My first thought is those russian sanctions are really cutting down the number of "conservative" threads if I'm starting this thread. Anyhoo, I found the headline a tad misleading. Its only 10 pilots. And like all conservative narratives, the pilots have to ignore actual facts and "misparaphrase" things. Case in point. From the filing that is linked in the article

The CDC official responsible for the FTMM admitted masks are worthless and are just for show: “[W]e mask because it's the way we take care and express our concern for each other,” said Marty Cetron, director of CDC’s Division of Global Migration & Quarantine.

Yea, I'm not reading that as someone admitting "masks are worthless and are just for show".

 

[beancounter]

The truth is that pilots are essentially flying taxi drivers.

Their skill at flying airplanes does not give them any special insight or knowledge beyond that which any Highschool kid would think he knows about science or politics...

(I worked in the airline industry for 6 years and met a lot of pilots)

 

[BlueTex]

JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it ignores scientific studies showing it is 'ineffective'​

10 JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it encourages unruly behavior but they're citing flawed science

The pilots point out that unruly passengers have created "chaos" in the skies, but their concerns about pilots' "mask fatigue" are bogus.

www.yahoo.com

My first thought is those russian sanctions are really cutting down the number of "conservative" threads if I'm starting this thread. Anyhoo, I found the headline a tad misleading. Its only 10 pilots. And like all conservative narratives, the pilots have to ignore actual facts and "misparaphrase" things. Case in point. From the filing that is linked in the article

The CDC official responsible for the FTMM admitted masks are worthless and are just for show: “[W]e mask because it's the way we take care and express our concern for each other,” said Marty Cetron, director of CDC’s Division of Global Migration & Quarantine.

Yea, I'm not reading that as someone admitting "masks are worthless and are just for show".

Can find where they have actually filed...

https://lucas.travel/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Carlin-v-CDC-Complaint.pdf

Interesting relief they are seeking...

A. Declare Defendants CDC and HHS’ Feb. 1, 2021, Federal Transportation Mask Mandate order “Requirement for Persons to Wear Masks While on Conveyances & at Transportation Hubs” (86 Fed. Reg. 8,025 (Feb. 3, 2021)) contrary to statute and unconstitutional, vacate the order, and permanently enjoin its enforcement worldwide

I wonder how they think a US court can enjoin enforcement worldwide...

I do find this interesting ... They have apparently have not even hired an attorney... They should, this is pretty idiotic...

E. Award us attorney’s fees (if we later hire an attorney to represent us in this lawsuit) incurred during the prosecution of this lawsuit from any defendant found to have acted outside its legal and/or constitutional authority pursuant to 28 USC § 2412 and/or any other applicable statute or authority; or, if we continue representing ourselves, award us in lieu of attorney’s fees reimbursement at the rate of $200 per hour for the time we have spent litigating this matter.

 

[VySky]

Pilots get it. We always have.

 

[BlueTex]

Pilots get it. We always have.

They apparently don't "get it" enough to know that US courts can't ban worldwide enforcement or are smart enough to hire an actual lawyer...

 

[MauiMan]

Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone else at any time.

Pilots are not physicians. But, airline crews have been dealing with people who feel they shouldn’t have to wear masks, so they know the difficulties of enforcement. It will be interesting to see what the courts decide on the pilots’ anecdotal findings.

 

[VySky]

The truth is that pilots are essentially flying taxi drivers.

Their skill at flying airplanes does not give them any special insight or knowledge beyond that which any Highschool kid would think he knows about science or politics...

(I worked in the airline industry for 6 years and met a lot of pilots)

Not everyone is qualified to sit up front. Others meet lessor qualifications commensurate with offloading baggage and emptying the laboratory

 

[BlueTex]

Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone else at any time.

Pilots are not physicians. But, airline crews have been dealing with people who feel they shouldn’t have to wear masks, so they know the difficulties of enforcement. It will be interesting to see what the courts decide on the pilots’ anecdotal findings.

They need to actually file first... My guess is this is just a "fundraising" grift...

 

[VySky]

Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone else at any time.

Pilots are not physicians. But, airline crews have been dealing with people who feel they shouldn’t have to wear masks, so they know the difficulties of enforcement. It will be interesting to see what the courts decide on the pilots’ anecdotal findings.

This is the same reason Walmart, Targets etc gave up trying to enforce mask mandates

 

[ElChupacabra]

Anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone else at any time.

Pilots are not physicians. But, airline crews have been dealing with people who feel they shouldn’t have to wear masks, so they know the difficulties of enforcement. It will be interesting to see what the courts decide on the pilots’ anecdotal findings.

Sure, but this should be more of a pushback against their employers where a demand of increased security is an immediate solution.

 

[BlueTex]

Not everyone is qualified to sit up front. Others meet lessor qualifications commensurate with offloading baggage and emptying the laboratory

And these yahoos aren't qualified to practice law, hence, their laughable complaint...

 

[roguenuke]

JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it ignores scientific studies showing it is 'ineffective'​

10 JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it encourages unruly behavior but they're citing flawed science

The pilots point out that unruly passengers have created "chaos" in the skies, but their concerns about pilots' "mask fatigue" are bogus.

www.yahoo.com

My first thought is those russian sanctions are really cutting down the number of "conservative" threads if I'm starting this thread. Anyhoo, I found the headline a tad misleading. Its only 10 pilots. And like all conservative narratives, the pilots have to ignore actual facts and "misparaphrase" things. Case in point. From the filing that is linked in the article

The CDC official responsible for the FTMM admitted masks are worthless and are just for show: “[W]e mask because it's the way we take care and express our concern for each other,” said Marty Cetron, director of CDC’s Division of Global Migration & Quarantine.

Yea, I'm not reading that as someone admitting "masks are worthless and are just for show".

Antimask and antivaccine/mandate people like to twist words to match what they want them to be saying.

 

[BlueTex]

This is the same reason Walmart, Targets etc gave up trying to enforce mask mandates

LMAO... It had nothing to do with the lifting of mandates?

 

[MauiMan]

Sure, but this should be more of a pushback against their employers where a demand of increased security is an immediate solution.

I agree. Just because a rule is difficult to enforce, doesn’t mean we should give up on the rule. The pilots’ lawsuit is kind of a mixed bag of issues and anecdotal evidence, and is directed at the CDC even though it is not the CDC’s job to enforce. The lawsuit seems more like a stunt than anything else.

 

[Vern]

Pilots get it. We always have.

dah comrade, 10 pilots out of 300,000 get it. congrats on being able to continue posting.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The truth is that pilots are essentially flying taxi drivers.

Their skill at flying airplanes does not give them any special insight or knowledge beyond that which any Highschool kid would think he knows about science or politics...

(I worked in the airline industry for 6 years and met a lot of pilots)

i knew a pilot that would get hammered on Saturdays while he was on call (or whatever they call it).

 

[Ginger Ale]

Do they know they're planning to lift the mask mandate for airplanes in April? A lot of hoopla for not much sauce. Maybe it's just another political move. . . 2022 elections are coming up. Time to enrage the Repubs.

 

[Ginger Ale]

i knew a pilot that would get hammered on Saturdays while he was on call (or whatever they call it).

Me too, one of my best friends was a pilot. Oh the stories. lol
Luckily the planes pretty much fly themselves.

 

[Deuce]

Not everyone is qualified to sit up front. Others meet lessor qualifications commensurate with offloading baggage and emptying the laboratory

LOL, the job really is not that hard. I could teach a monkey to land a plane, and my seven year old niece to run the FMS. It's all the bullshit you do before and after the engines run that sucks!

 

[Vern]

Can find where they have actually filed...

https://lucas.travel/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Carlin-v-CDC-Complaint.pdf

Interesting relief they are seeking...

A. Declare Defendants CDC and HHS’ Feb. 1, 2021, Federal Transportation Mask Mandate order “Requirement for Persons to Wear Masks While on Conveyances & at Transportation Hubs” (86 Fed. Reg. 8,025 (Feb. 3, 2021)) contrary to statute and unconstitutional, vacate the order, and permanently enjoin its enforcement worldwide

I wonder how they think a US court can enjoin enforcement worldwide...

I do find this interesting ... They have apparently have not even hired an attorney... They should, this is pretty idiotic...

E. Award us attorney’s fees (if we later hire an attorney to represent us in this lawsuit) incurred during the prosecution of this lawsuit from any defendant found to have acted outside its legal and/or constitutional authority pursuant to 28 USC § 2412 and/or any other applicable statute or authority; or, if we continue representing ourselves, award us in lieu of attorney’s fees reimbursement at the rate of $200 per hour for the time we have spent litigating this matter.

Holy crap, they did this themselves. No wonder it sounds like another conservative thread. check out this whine.

As stated in our sworn declarations, wearing a mask before the flight (for example, while in an airport terminal) makes us feel like we are not fully prepared to perform our assigned duties, including due to fatigue.

wah wah wah

 

[Metric Mouse]

And now the airlines are backing these guys up. What in the world?

U.S. airline CEOs call on President Biden to end the federal mask mandate on planes

The CEOs argue that the increase in vaccinations and the lifting of restrictions in other countries should make the Biden administration reconsider the policy for travelers.

www.npr.org

 

[Liberal7360]

JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it ignores scientific studies showing it is 'ineffective'​

10 JetBlue, American Airlines, and Southwest pilots are suing the CDC over the federal mask mandate, saying it encourages unruly behavior but they're citing flawed science

The pilots point out that unruly passengers have created "chaos" in the skies, but their concerns about pilots' "mask fatigue" are bogus.

www.yahoo.com

My first thought is those russian sanctions are really cutting down the number of "conservative" threads if I'm starting this thread. Anyhoo, I found the headline a tad misleading. Its only 10 pilots. And like all conservative narratives, the pilots have to ignore actual facts and "misparaphrase" things. Case in point. From the filing that is linked in the article

The CDC official responsible for the FTMM admitted masks are worthless and are just for show: “[W]e mask because it's the way we take care and express our concern for each other,” said Marty Cetron, director of CDC’s Division of Global Migration & Quarantine.

Yea, I'm not reading that as someone admitting "masks are worthless and are just for show".

All the CDC has to do is show the Yale study on masks. It was done last year and was the largest study done on masks.

The result was that yes, masks do work to decrease the spread of the virus.

Largest study on masks and Covid-19 demonstrates their effectiveness in the real world

Testing the NORM program for reducing Covid-19 infections Photo courtesy Innovations for Poverty Action (IPA). While guidance and official policy on masking has evolved over the course of the pandemic

egc.yale.edu

 

[Liberal7360]

Pilots get it. We always have.

Apparently you don't.

The largest study on masks and the virus shows that yes, masks work.

Largest study on masks and Covid-19 demonstrates their effectiveness in the real world

Testing the NORM program for reducing Covid-19 infections Photo courtesy Innovations for Poverty Action (IPA). While guidance and official policy on masking has evolved over the course of the pandemic

egc.yale.edu

 

[VySky]

Apparently you don't.

The largest study on masks and the virus shows that yes, masks work.

Largest study on masks and Covid-19 demonstrates their effectiveness in the real world

Testing the NORM program for reducing Covid-19 infections Photo courtesy Innovations for Poverty Action (IPA). While guidance and official policy on masking has evolved over the course of the pandemic

egc.yale.edu

They work based on what? IMO a typical 5% reduction doesn't warrant widespread mandates of mask use.

 

[Liberal7360]

They work based on what? IMO a typical 5% reduction doesn't warrant widespread mandates of mask use.

Please read the article and stop posting things that aren't true or are only partially true.