- Jan 28, 2006
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what flaws do u find in his teachings?
im just kind of in that arguing mode today
im just kind of in that arguing mode today
i believe in tranquility said:and this is wrong because...........
shoudnt we learn to love our enemies rather than hurt, main, or kill them
i believe in tranquility said:what flaws do u find in his teachings?
But I tell you that anyone who is angry at his brother, will be subject to judgement. Again, anyone who says to his brother, "Raca" is answerable to the Sanehedrin. But anyone who says, "You fool!" will be in danger of the fire of hell.
You foolish people! Did not the one that made the outside make the inside also?
You blind fools! Which is greater, the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
But god said to him, "You fool!" This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
Ask, and it will be given to you.
Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
I believe that message was crystal clear. Jesus cleary states that anyone who calls another "fool" will go to hell. But, the inanimate carpenter is quite the hypocrite
i believe in tranquility said:"go to hell"...he says DANGER of going to hell, just as if you kill someone you are in DANGER to going to hell.
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, "Go throw yourself into the sea" and it will be done."
His references to prayer are related towards faith in God, faith in prayer, faith in trust..these you might view as absurd, but for quite a few people that have faith in God and Jesus this is more than just: if you want something, say it and I will rbing it to you"....if more like: If you want your friends who is ill to heal, ask and have faith in your asking of that request, or something in that sort.
I dont know man, its just my view, as you probably have no respect for it, but it matters not.
i believe in tranquility said:well no im not one of "those people" who beilve Jesus IS God, because he says he is the SON of God...its really that simple for me.
But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the father is in me, and I, in the father.
and Yes god did know his son was going to suffer, thats kind of the WHOLE idea of God's Son sacfricing himself for our sins...without that, the whole idea of Christianity would not be what it is.
thats why my religion does not say christianity.
Why do you ask me about what is good? Jesus replied. There is only one who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments. "Which ones?" The man inquired. Jesus replied, Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, and love your neighbor as yourself.
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.
i believe in tranquility said:I dont know anybody that marries or divorces based on their "going" to heaven.
You have to look at the setting and time period to understand why Jesus is saying what he is saying.
This is an example of him radicalizing the laws of the OT.
That servant who knows his masters will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with a few blows.
At the time women had no rights on divorce,
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of god. For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the lord stands forever.
so Jesus obviously thought this was extreely bias.
After this Jesus traveled about from one town and village of another procliming the good news of the kingdom of god. The twelve were with him,and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits or diseases: Mary (called Magadalene), from whom seven demons had come out, Joanna, the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household, Sussana, and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.
At the time, if a man wanted to divorce, he simply could, and that woman would be viewed as ugly, sinfull, used, disguting, etc.
Jesus said that the men were being completely irresponsible. That is why he dispises divorce so much. Jesus was protecting the women in this case.
Thats kind of why it is RECOMENDED not to marry, but if nature takes a hold of you, then by all means dont hold back your godgiven nature.
.Then they're not followers of Christ. He clearly states that if you divorce for any other reason other than unfaihfulness, you are commiting adultery, and to reach heaven you must not commit adultery
Are you saying the bible is irrelevant to everyday life? It's reletively easy to see how it can be irrelevant today because it was written in Hebrew and Greek, and in a different place and time period. The issues the bible addresses are still the fundamental issues of life today. There's usually a list of topics that may interest you in the back of every bible. From finding help when you need it to how to deal with anger.
Actually, he never changed the commandments. He might have altered and radicalized the laws the Pharisees were living by, but he upheld the OT laws.
"Do as they say, but not as they do" Haha, Jesus had an oppurtunistic time during his teaching to condemn slavery, but instead he seems to not only condone it, but slaves' beating as well
Of course he did, he was revolutionary at the time, he even let women teach alongside him. He honored women as people.
He didn't recommend not to engage in marital bliss, he simply said some refuse to marry because of the kingdom of heaven.
i believe in tranquility said:.
Ever heard of forgivness? You dont automatically go to hell no matter what if you commit adultery.
But whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure; for god will judge the adulterer and the sexually immoral.
No im not saying that it is completely relevant to todays life, because its 2000 years later...things change.
Jesus DID change the OT laws, by altering them into better laws.
umm...well Paul has something to say in 1 Corinthians 7:
8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
25Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy. 26Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for you to remain as you are. 27Are you married? Do not seek a divorce. Are you unmarried? Do not look for a wife. 28But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.
Now this IS Pauls words, but it is his interpretation of what Jesus taught on marrige.
According to the dead Jew, there's no such thing as forgiveness against the holy spirit:
Give me an example besides "eye for an eye", that your carpenter altered.
First off, the apostle Paul isn't a very compelling source. For cryin out loud, he didn't even believe Christ resurrected, he needed an eye-witness account. He conspires with the "holy ghost" to make a sorcer blind, he condemns homosexuals, and he says that anyone who claims he is a liar, deserves damnation.
i believe in tranquility said:umm..Jesus died to save us from our sins. THE ULTIMATE FORGIVNESS IS HIS SACRIFIC FOR us.
That quote on the holy spirit is talking about those who reject it (non believers), cant be forgiven for not accepting the HOly spirit, according to Paul. BUT dont think that I agree with everything in the Bible. I belive that God judges
Concerning anger: Matthew 5:21
Concerning Adultery: Matthew 5:27
Concerning Divorce: Matthew 5:31
Concerning Oaths: Matthew 5:33
Concerning Retaliation: Matthew 5:38
Love For Enemies: Matthew 5:43
Concerning Prayer: Matthew 6:5
it goes on and on...
For example: I think that hating gays is WRONG.
128shot said:Jesus is an interesting Character, looking at his life from a purely semi-secular view is interesting.
I don't see him as divine, as I don't believe in this type of notion of god, but I think Jesus was an interesting person.
I wish I could say more but I'm only starting to read about the life of Jesus.
That's the popular abstract ssumption. You cannot prove he didn't. I could say Tupac Shakur died for our sins. You cannot prove he didn't. Why would he have to, if this god is omnipotent, then why go through this little chirade of crucifixion? And if Jesus was god, he commited suicide.
And you wanna talk about forgiveness? Well, think about it, how can a third party(god) forgive someone? That's a bit like saying if you were to strike me in the face, a stanger would come along and say, "I forgive you for doing that" That is asinine. You want my forgiveness, not a 3rd party's.
the carpenter takes it one step further
He just fullfills the laws set forth in Exodus 20:14, Deuteronomy 5:18, and Hebrews 13:4. God and Jesus make it clear that adultery is wrong.
In Deuteronomy 24:2, it states that a woman who leaves a man will be defiled in the eyes of the lord. What's so new here? Jesus also states this in Luke 16:18, and Mark 10:11.
Dude, if you read the heading on these verses, it says, "The Fullfillment of the Law" Jesus didn't come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
That's fine. Then if you think that, obviously you don't agree with this god fellow's morals. He deems it perfectly acceptable to put gays to death, and he is responsible for them.
i believe in tranquility said:Its an assumtion for non-christians (and you have the right to assume). Its part of the faith, just like ressurection (obviously there is no scientific evidence for it, but I beilve that Jesus ressurected).
Again, I dont believe that Jesus is God, so no God did not commit sucide.
Third party?...thats where the the connection between Jesus and God comes in.
yes...he alters it from its original concept.
same for a man.
Yes, your right, I dont agree with God fellow's morals which have been corrupted I agree with Jesus on this issues, love everyone regardless of there conditions (what is great about the issue, is that if God creates us, why would he make us gay if he despises it). Like i say, its been corrupted, and Jesus's purpose was to clear that corruption.
You might not believe it, but a host of others do, as so he committed suicide by killing himself on the cross.
i believe in tranquility said:Well im sure that those who beilve that Jesus IS God dont think that God commited sucide, for a number of reasons. The most prominent reason would be that Jesus was killed.
Your argument is great: i think you should make a thread of religiousforums targeted to those who beilve that Jesus IS God, and ask them the same.
It would be very interesting, and funny at that.
And a voice from heaven said, "This is my son, whom I love, with him I am well pleased."