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Jesus wants a Wall

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Never mind feeding the hungry and housing the poor. Lock up the children and build a wall. That's what jesus would want.

Why Evangelical Christians Support Trump’s Wall

As Robert P. Jones, founder and chief executive officer of the Public Religion Research Institute, points out, evangelical support for a wall has actually increased since Trump campaigned on it in 2016.

Jones recently won the 2019 Grawemeyer Award in Religion for his 2016 book, “The End of White Christian America.”
 

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Never mind feeding the hungry and housing the poor. Lock up the children and build a wall. That's what jesus would want.

Why Evangelical Christians Support Trump’s Wall

Jesus wants the US to build walls on both borders. Big walls. Let the rest of the world do what they want and let America be Jesus inspired.
Might have to say goodbye to Alaska but they were always Canada anyway and Hawaii was never a place Jesus would be.
 

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American Jesus has never had anything to do with actual Jesus or any of his teachings or beliefs. Modern American Christians value prosperity gospel and using government force to attack other religions, sexual orientations and political leans.

If these people were actually Christians they'd realize that Jesus was a brown illegal immigrant who had to flee persecution as a refugee and broke many local laws in the process. Being Jesus was highly illegal at that time and he was definitely not permitted to cross the border.
 

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Funny how those of whom regularly cuss Jesus and his teachings suddenly become experts on Him when it suits their political purposes.
Tomorrow or a few days from now, they will be back to cussing everything He stands for.
...but for this thread, they are biblical scholars.
 

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Funny how those of whom regularly cuss Jesus and his teachings suddenly become experts on Him when it suits their political purposes.
Tomorrow or a few days from now, they will be back to cussing everything He stands for.
...but for this thread, they are biblical scholars.

What teaching of Jesus do you believe is regularly cussed?
 

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What teaching of Jesus do you believe is regularly cussed?

Christianity itself is regularly cussed. There are scores of examples to see.
Christianity is the belief in Jesus and His teachings.

I just find it funny how they cherry pick the subject.

With my apologies, if you can for a fight, I must decline as I have a terrible pain in my arm and lower neck that is keeping me up at this last hour.
You have me at a disadvantage. So I will grant you a victory now if that is your intent.
The post you quoted was me merely pointing out how some cuss it all the time, then profess scream hypocrisy when it suits them.

I am sure you have seen this before on almost any subject.

Any fight I give you now would not be worthy of your efforts.
 

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Christianity itself is regularly cussed. There are scores of examples to see.
Christianity is the belief in Jesus and His teachings.

I just find it funny how they cherry pick the subject.

With my apologies, if you can for a fight, I must decline as I have a terrible pain in my arm and lower neck that is keeping me up at this last hour.
You have me at a disadvantage. So I will grant you a victory now if that is your intent.
The post you quoted was me merely pointing out how some cuss it all the time, then profess scream hypocrisy when it suits them.

I am sure you have seen this before on almost any subject.

Any fight I give you now would not be worthy of your efforts.

People hate religion, Christianity, even specific denominations, but I think people agree with Jesus' teachings other than basic monotheism stuff. When you feel better, perhaps remember to elaborate anywhere convenient and with any quote to notify me.
 

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Jesus died thousands of years ago, how does anyone know what he wants?
 

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Funny how those of whom regularly cuss Jesus and his teachings suddenly become experts on Him when it suits their political purposes.
Tomorrow or a few days from now, they will be back to cussing everything He stands for.
...but for this thread, they are biblical scholars.

Usually the atheists that are the most vocal about Christian hypocrisy spent a few decades growing up neck deep in it. If you look at the Republican party and think "yeah, that's compatible with Christ's teachings", then you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and have likely never seriously read any of it.

If you'd like to call me out directly and explain how Jesus broke no laws and didn't have to cross any borders illegally, make your case.
 

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People hate religion, Christianity, even specific denominations, but I think people agree with Jesus' teachings other than basic monotheism stuff. When you feel better, perhaps remember to elaborate anywhere convenient and with any quote to notify me.

Thank you.
Just for the record, I am not a church goer, but am very spiritual, but am not locked into Christian dogma either.
I also follow and feel all spiritual good is universal and no one religion has a monopoly on it.
In my travels, I have found it to be a common thread that unites us all as I learned about other beliefs.

I think some people follow religious dogma because they need a structure to be a part of.

...or they may be killed if they don't as in some Moslem countries now and Christian sects earlier in history.
 
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Funny how those of whom regularly cuss Jesus and his teachings suddenly become experts on Him when it suits their political purposes. Tomorrow or a few days from now, they will be back to cussing everything He stands for...but for this thread, they are biblical scholars.

I believe you have it a tad twisted. It isn't Jesus and His teachings that get cussed but rather the rather warped presentation of 'what would Jesus do' some evangelicals issue. Many who dispute the pronouncements of the evangelicals do so with quite a bit of Biblical knowledge, some were even members of Protestant Churches before deciding the lean of those groups was straying away from what is felt to be the true path for those who wish to do good by their fellow humans.

I doubt you can name 6 posters who have cussed 'everything He stands for' but the list is rather long of those who curse the so-called Christian leaders/followers of many rabid right denominations.... :peace
 

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I believe you have it a tad twisted. It isn't Jesus and His teachings that get cussed but rather the rather warped presentation of 'what would Jesus do' some evangelicals issue. Many who dispute the pronouncements of the evangelicals do so with quite a bit of Biblical knowledge, some were even members of Protestant Churches before deciding the lean of those groups was straying away from what is felt to be the true path for those who wish to do good by their fellow humans.

I doubt you can name 6 posters who have cussed 'everything He stands for' but the list is rather long of those who curse the so-called Christian leaders/followers of many rabid right denominations.... :peace

Nope. There are some posters that downright hate Christians with a passion.

As to "what would Jesus do" they need to understand it includes using a whip and kicking over tables like He did in the painting as he drove the buyers and sellers out of the temple.
 

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Never mind feeding the hungry and housing the poor. Lock up the children and build a wall. That's what jesus would want.

Why Evangelical Christians Support Trump’s Wall

Your thread title does not comport with the articles title or with what it reports.
To the underlined.
That is on their nation, not ours.
As for what Jesus would want? I doubt he would support illegal aliens in their endeavor to disregard our laws and border, though he would be likely to cross the boarder and help therm out there.
 

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Never mind feeding the hungry and housing the poor. Lock up the children and build a wall. That's what jesus would want.

Blaming Jesus now ?
Just like the lowly liberal/Demos...fence straddlers,gotta love em.

Jesus was a brown illegal immigrant

Good example of what opioid does to the mind.
 

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Never mind feeding the hungry and housing the poor. Lock up the children and build a wall. That's what jesus would want.

Why Evangelical Christians Support Trump’s Wall

There's a wall around the Vatican and a wall around Heaven. Otherwise there would be no Gate of Heaven for St. Peter to guard.

So much for the nonsense of walls being immoral.

Without border security welfare is impossible. Otherwise, foreigners would come in an take everything that we are trying to give to our own poor. So much for the idiotic notion that border security is immoral.
 

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Funny how those of whom regularly cuss Jesus and his teachings suddenly become experts on Him when it suits their political purposes.
Tomorrow or a few days from now, they will be back to cussing everything He stands for.
...but for this thread, they are biblical scholars.

That’s because we actually know Jesus, much unlike Christians who use his name in vain.
 

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There's a wall around the Vatican and a wall around Heaven. Otherwise there would be no Gate of Heaven for St. Peter to guard.

So much for the nonsense of walls being immoral.

Without border security welfare is impossible. Otherwise, foreigners would come in an take everything that we are trying to give to our own poor. So much for the idiotic notion that border security is immoral.

A wall around heaven! :lamo
 

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Nope. There are some posters that downright hate Christians with a passion.

As to "what would Jesus do" they need to understand it includes using a whip and kicking over tables like He did in the painting as he drove the buyers and sellers out of the temple.
He’d be whipping Trump and his cult. That’s for sure.
 

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Christianity itself is regularly cussed. There are scores of examples to see.
Christianity is the belief in Jesus and His teachings.

I just find it funny how they cherry pick the subject.

With my apologies, if you can for a fight, I must decline as I have a terrible pain in my arm and lower neck that is keeping me up at this last hour.
You have me at a disadvantage. So I will grant you a victory now if that is your intent.
The post you quoted was me merely pointing out how some cuss it all the time, then profess scream hypocrisy when it suits them.

I am sure you have seen this before on almost any subject.

Any fight I give you now would not be worthy of your efforts.

If it’s on your left side, you may want to see a doctor.
 

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There's a wall around the Vatican and a wall around Heaven. Otherwise there would be no Gate of Heaven for St. Peter to guard.

So much for the nonsense of walls being immoral.
The history of Vatican City’s walls is well documented. Various sections were built over many hundreds of years as a means of fortification against enemies however, using Vatican walls to bolster an argument for a wall at the southern border is fatally flawed in that Vatican City isn’t entirely walled. In fact, there is a very large, always open, entrance to St Peters Square.
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As for your assertion of a literal wall surrounding Heaven: Bwahahaha!! :2rofll:
 

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Nope. There are some posters that downright hate Christians with a passion. As to "what would Jesus do" they need to understand it includes using a whip and kicking over tables like He did in the painting as he drove the buyers and sellers out of the temple.

Did 'some' of these posters you think downright hate Christians post in this thread???? :confused:

As for the kicking over tables- he did that in front of Temples that violated what Jesus saw as the true path to God. Did he do it for a wall or is he quoted as saying something about letting the children come to me.

For that matter would Jesus support mega churches when his example was a simple prayer out in the forest.

I think you are focused on the wrong folks here.... :peace
 

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I used to be Republican. I gave that up in 2012. Before that, I was an evangelical for 20 years, but gave that up in 2006.

Related? Not sure...probably.

Listen, Jesus is who the believer wants him to be. It works that way with imaginary beings.
 

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I think Jesus would be very angry he is being used as a pawn on any side...he is on no one's side but his heavenly father, Jehovah's...
 

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The history of Vatican City’s walls is well documented. Various sections were built over many hundreds of years as a means of fortification against enemies however, using Vatican walls to bolster an argument for a wall at the southern border is fatally flawed in that Vatican City isn’t entirely walled. In fact, there is a very large, always open, entrance to St Peters Square.
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As for your assertion of a literal wall surrounding Heaven: Bwahahaha!! :2rofll:

How idiotic. The wall at the Vatican surrounds the residential areas, where the people there live and many of the offices are. The public area is similar to areas like seaports where anyone might come to visit. Regardless, there is control of the border.

The wall around Heaven is figurative, we suppose. The idea is that not just anyone will be allowed in.
 

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How idiotic.
Wrong. Idiotic is saying the Vatican is surrounded by a wall.
There’s a wall around the Vatican ....
What you should have said in the first place.
The wall at the Vatican surrounds the residential areas, where the people there live and many of the offices are. The public area is similar to areas like seaports where anyone might come to visit.
The wall around Heaven is figurative, we suppose. The idea is that not just anyone will be allowed in.
You suppose? You really think there’s a chance that there really is a literal wall around Heaven? Of course you do, same as you believe there’s a wall around the Vatican.
 
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