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Here is a good link on an overview of the general theme http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm


now on the the real blood and guts here.


Identical Life Experiences
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Mithra was born on December 25th as an offspring of the Sun. Next to the gods Ormuzd and Ahrimanes, Mithra held the highest rank among the gods of ancient Persia. He was represented as a beautiful youth and a Mediator. Reverend J. W. Lake states: "Mithras is spiritual light contending with spiritual darkness, and through his labors the kingdom of darkness shall be lit with heaven's own light; the Eternal will receive all things back into his favor, the world will be redeemed to God. The impure are to be purified, and the evil made good, through the mediation of Mithras, the reconciler of Ormuzd and Ahriman. Mithras is the Good, his name is Love. In relation to the Eternal he is the source of grace, in relation to man he is the life-giver and mediator" (Plato, Philo, and Paul, p. 15).

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He was considered a great traveling teacher and masters. He had twelve companions as Jesus had twelve disciples. Mithras also performed miracles.

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Mithra was called "the good shepherd,” "the way, the truth and the light,” “redeemer,” “savior,” “Messiah." He was identified with both the lion and the lamb.

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The International Encyclopedia states: "Mithras seems to have owed his prominence to the belief that he was the source of life, and could also redeem the souls of the dead into the better world ... The ceremonies included a sort of baptism to remove sins, anointing, and a sacred meal of bread and water, while a consecrated wine, believed to possess wonderful power, played a prominent part."

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Chambers Encyclopedia says: "The most important of his many festivals was his birthday, celebrated on the 25th of December, the day subsequently fixed -- against all evidence -- as the birthday of Christ. The worship of Mithras early found its way into Rome, and the mysteries of Mithras, which fell in the spring equinox, were famous even among the many Roman festivals. The ceremonies observed in the initiation to these mysteries -- symbolical of the struggle between Ahriman and Ormuzd (the Good and the Evil) -- were of the most extraordinary and to a certain degree even dangerous character. Baptism and the partaking of a mystical liquid, consisting of flour and water, to be drunk with the utterance of sacred formulas, were among the inauguration acts."

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Prof. Franz Cumont, of the University of Ghent, writes as follows concerning the religion of Mithra and the religion of Christ: "The sectaries of the Persian god, like the Christians', purified themselves by baptism, received by a species of confirmation the power necessary to combat the spirit of evil; and expected from a Lord's supper salvation of body and soul. Like the latter, they also held Sunday sacred, and celebrated the birth of the Sun on the 25th of December.... They both preached a categorical system of ethics, regarded asceticism as meritorious and counted among their principal virtues abstinence and continence, renunciation and self-control. Their conceptions of the world and of the destiny of man were similar. They both admitted the existence of a Heaven inhabited by beatified ones, situated in the upper regions, and of a Hell, peopled by demons, situated in the bowels of the earth. They both placed a flood at the beginning of history; they both assigned as the source of their condition, a primitive revelation; they both, finally, believed in the immortality of the soul, in a last judgment, and in a resurrection of the dead, consequent upon a final conflagration of the universe" (The Mysteries of Mithras, pp. 190, 191).

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html


Now just examing this. It seems as if jesus is a borrowed idea from the religion of Mithra. Their life experiences are so similiar it seems it may not be such a coincidence. Is it possible that jesus is just mithra with added themes in perfection?


Interesting concept indeed.
 
Originally posted by 128shot
Now just examing this. It seems as if jesus is a borrowed idea from the religion of Mithra. Their life experiences are so similiar it seems it may not be such a coincidence. Is it possible that jesus is just mithra with added themes in perfection

Jesus has alot of similarities with Mithra, but also with the Egyptian God Horus. IMO, if the events and/or life of Jesus is a farse, it most likely comes from a combination of these 2 Gods, probably thought of subsequent to the exile of the Jews.


EGYPTIAN MESSIAH—HORUS BIBLICAL MESSIAH—JESUS
1 Horus is the Father seen in the son.. Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life.
2 Horus claims to be the light of the world represented by the symbolic eye, the sign of salvation. Jesus stated that he is the light of the world.
3 Horus said that he was the way, the truth, the life. Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life.
4 Horus was the plant, the shoot. Jesus says "I am the true vine."
5 Horus says “It is I who traverse the heavens, I go round the Elysian Fields. Eternity has been assigned to me without end, Lo! I am heir to endless time and my attribute is eternity. Jesus says “I am come down from heaven, for this is the will of the Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son and believeth in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
6 Horus—I open the Tuat that I may drive away the darkness. Jesus says I am come a light unto the world.
7 Horus says “I am equipped with thy words O Ra [Father in Heaven] and repeat them to those who are deprived of breath.” These were the words of the Father in heaven. Jesus says “The Father which sent me, he hath given me a command-ment, what I should say and what I should speak. Whatsoever I speak therefore even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. The word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."
8 Horus baptized with water by Anup. Jesus baptized with water by John the Baptist.
9 Horus—Aan, the name of the divine scribe. Jesus—John the divine scribe.
10 Horus born in Annu, the place of bread. Jesus Born in Bethlehem, the house of bread.
11 Horus The good shepherd with the crook on his shoulders. Jesus The good shepherd with a lamb on his shoulders.
12 Horus Seven on board the boat with him. Jesus Seven fishermen on board the boat with Jesus.
13 Horus Depicted as the Lamb Jesus depicted as the lamb.
14 Horus as the Lion. Jesus as the lion.
15 Horus identified with the Tat or cross. Jesus identified with the cross.
16 Horus of 12 years. Jesus of 12 years.
17 Horus A man of 30 years. Jesus a man of 30 years at his baptism.
18 Horus the KRST. Jesus the Christ.
19 Horus the manifesting son of God. Jesus the manifesting son of God.
20 Horus The trinity—Atum the Father, Horus the son, Ra the Holy Spirit. Jesus—God the Father, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirit.
21 Horus The first Horus as a child of the virgin, the second as son of Ra. Jesus as a child of the virgin, Christ as the son of the Father in heaven.
22 Horus—Horus the sender and Set the destroyer in the harvest field. Jesus—Jesus the sender or the good seed, Satan the sender of tares.
23 Horus carried off by Set to the summit of Mount Hetep. Jesus carried by Satan to an exceedingly high mountain.
24 Horus and Set contending on the Mount. Jesus and Satan contending on the Mount.
25 Horus—The star was the announcer of the child Horus. Jesus—The Star in the East indicated the birth-place of Jesus.
26 Horus—the avenger. Jesus who brings the sword.
27 Horus—as Iu-em-hetep comes with peace. Jesus—the bringer of peace.
28 Horus—the afflicted one. Jesus—the afflicted one.
29 Horus—as the type of life eternal. 30 Jesus—as the type of life eternal.
30 Horus as Iu-em-hetep the child teacher in the temple. Jesus as the child teacher in the temple.
31 Horus The mummy bandage was woven without seam. Jesus The vesture of the Christ was without seam.
32 Horus As Har-Khutti has twelve followers. 32 Jesus has twelve disciples.
33 Horus The revelation written down by divine scribe Aan (Tehuti). Jesus the Revelation written down by John the Divine.
34 Horus—Aani bears witness to the word of Ra. Jesus—John bears witness to the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ.
35 Horus The secret mysteries revealed by That-Aan. Jesus The secret mysteries made known by John.
36 Horus The morning star. Jesus The morning star.
37 Horus Who gives the morning star to his followers. Jesus who gives the morning star to his followers.
38 Horus The name of Ra on the head of the deceased. Jesus The name of the father written on the forehead.
39 Horus The paradise of the Pole star—Am-Khemen. Jesus The Holy City lighted by one luminary that is neither the sun nor the moon.
40 Horus Har-Seshu or servants of Horus. Jesus The servants of Jesus Christ.

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Well we know Christianity is a religion based upon Christ. If you could tell me how you have come to believe Christianity has taken hold as big as it has?

For something borrowed from another story one would think it should have died long ago.
 
Independent Patriot said:
Well we know Christianity is a religion based upon Christ. If you could tell me how you have come to believe Christianity has taken hold as big as it has?

For something borrowed from another story one would think it should have died long ago.

O, so tiring. You're arguement is nothing but a common consent arguement. I believe someone else used this argument, I don't know, but you're saying that because alot of people from every era believe in a mystical God, how can they possibly be wrong? I'll answer exactly how I did before. A long time ago, alot of people believed that the earth was flat, were thery right? It's perfectly acceptable for primitive people to believe in a heavenly father-figure, as they don't know any better, but now is a different story, hence the dwindeling numbers of Christianity.
 
Independent Patriot said:
Well we know Christianity is a religion based upon Christ. If you could tell me how you have come to believe Christianity has taken hold as big as it has?

For something borrowed from another story one would think it should have died long ago.
Christianity was created as a big melting pot. The world catholic literally means "universal". The religion was put together very carefully over a period of a several hundred years. It took the basis of the early Jesus followers and tied in the pagan beliefs and holidays. This was so it was easier to convert roman pagans to Christianity.

The Church has lasted so long because it has great patience and is willing to bend and change to it's followers wishes, at least externally.
 
kal-el said:
O, so tiring. You're arguement is nothing but a common consent arguement. I believe someone else used this argument, I don't know, but you're saying that because alot of people from every era believe in a mystical God, how can they possibly be wrong? I'll answer exactly how I did before. A long time ago, alot of people believed that the earth was flat, were thery right? It's perfectly acceptable for primitive people to believe in a heavenly father-figure, as they don't know any better, but now is a different story, hence the dwindeling numbers of Christianity.

No, I guess I was not clear enough, my fault let me start again. How is it that you believe Christianity has become as big as it has (thank you Gibberish for your answer, I am sure the Catholic practice of compromise played a role in this)

What I was trying to get at is how did Christianity get such a following and Mithra and Horus are not as big. It really has nothing to do with who used to believe what, what is the factor that made Christianity catch on like it did?
 
Independent Patriot said:
What I was trying to get at is how did Christianity get such a following and Mithra and Horus are not as big. It really has nothing to do with who used to believe what, what is the factor that made Christianity catch on like it did?

For one thing, Christianity was a religion sanctioned and enforced by the Roman Empire. It was exported to all of Rome's territories where it was forced on the people who lived there. Christianity also adopted nearly everything it has from previous religions, so there was something for everybody. It was engineered in such a way that many people could convert without feeling like they were abandoning or blaspheming their former religions. Christianity is not blessed with some kind of inexplicable supernatural power, it was designed to do what it has done, that's all.

It's clear that the similarities between Christ and Horus and Mithra are so many and so distinct that Christ is in large part a borrowed idea. Had the myths of Horus and Mithra been in the Old Testament, Christians wouldn't hesitate to point to them as mind-blowingly accurate prophetic portrayals of Christ. In fact, Horus and Mithras are more similar to Christ than are the passages in the O.T. that are supposedly prophetic of the Messiah.
 
Perhaps they are one in the same. This Christian wouldn't have a problem with that, if this is what turns out to be the truth.

The important thing is their message of love. In the end, love is all that matters.

Also, I'm not familiar, how did Horus die? Did he have “disciples”. Was he from the line of David? Was he born of a virgin birth?
 
Jerry said:
Perhaps they are one in the same. This Christian wouldn't have a problem with that, if this is what turns out to be the truth.

The important thing is their message of love. In the end, love is all that matters.

I agree. I have no problem with any religion as long as it teaches the spread of kindness, love, happiness, motivation, self-empowerment and enlightenment. It is when people start turning religion into a business for profit and power we start seeing killings, hardcore recruitment strategies (convert or die), and holy wars.

So what if Jesus is based on Mithra. The point is there is a good message there that got lost over time so a few men recreated it in a different image. Rebranding happens all the time. The only people that should have a problem with this is those that want the satisfaction of being right on their beliefs and everyone else that doesn't share those beliefs is wrong. The Christian church of course would take a major blow and would have to file chapter 7.
 
Why do Christians not post their opinions on these type of topics? I would like to hear their perspective on this.

Christianity's moral and value teachings and even the idea that a deity who sacrificed itself for humans sin still holds true.

The only people suffering a downfall in this is the Catholic church. They would be seen more as the business men they are then ordained by God.
 
Independent Patriot said:
No, I guess I was not clear enough, my fault let me start again. How is it that you believe Christianity has become as big as it has (thank you Gibberish for your answer, I am sure the Catholic practice of compromise played a role in this)

What I was trying to get at is how did Christianity get such a following and Mithra and Horus are not as big. It really has nothing to do with who used to believe what, what is the factor that made Christianity catch on like it did?

I remember reading somewhere that major religions typically last about 2000 years before re-inventing itself in another form. How long was Mithraism observed? My Google reports it to be have taken place anywhere from 600 to 1200 bc. Add the years it was observed AD, and that sounds about right.

Speaking of which, it's about time for christianity to fizzle out. It's been about 2000 years. Looks like it's petering out to me.

I wonder what the next major will be that takes it's place? People are a lot smarter and less superstitious these days. I imagine the next religion will have a harder time taking hold.
 
:mrgreen: my guess is Scientology. I mean, it's got science right in the title, and lots of stupid celebrities follow it, how much more of a launching pad do you need than that right there?
 
Befuddled_Stoner said:
:mrgreen: my guess is Scientology. I mean, it's got science right in the title, and lots of stupid celebrities follow it, how much more of a launching pad do you need than that right there?

Scientology is hilarious. I always thought it was an experiement by L. Ron Hubbard that just went out of control, just to see that people want something to believe in and community, and it really doesn't matter on the story behind it all.

"Hey I got this new religion. it is about 30 years old, it is called Scientology, it was created by a science fiction writer and it says our earth is being run by a spirits of dead aliens."
 
Jerry said:
Perhaps they are one in the same. This Christian wouldn't have a problem with that, if this is what turns out to be the truth.

The important thing is their message of love. In the end, love is all that matters.

Also, I'm not familiar, how did Horus die? Did he have “disciples”. Was he from the line of David? Was he born of a virgin birth?

Horus was a virgin birth....his mother was Isis. His father was Osiris. Their story is pretty well known in other parts of the world. Horus is often depicted as a nursing infant with a crown above his head. As for his death he was crucified between two theives, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected. Oh and of course he had 12 disciples. Sound familar? If one were interested you could study Horus and the similarities between his story and the life of Jesus would leave you pretty confused as to whether or not the two were one in the same. It's pretty interesting. But it gets even more complicated because there are many other similar stories of Gods throughout the literary histories of Asia and India. Basically the stories represent "archtypes" and apparently the archtypes can almost be viewed as somewhat universal which is pretty interesting in itself. Perhaps there is something to the stories....or perhaps us humans just aren't all that creative when it comes to making up stories.
 
talloulou said:
Horus was a virgin birth....his mother was Isis. His father was Osiris. Their story is pretty well known in other parts of the world. Horus is often depicted as a nursing infant with a crown above his head. As for his death he was crucified between two theives, buried in a tomb, and then resurrected. Oh and of course he had 12 disciples. Sound familar? If one were interested you could study Horus and the similarities between his story and the life of Jesus would leave you pretty confused as to whether or not the two were one in the same. It's pretty interesting. But it gets even more complicated because there are many other similar stories of Gods throughout the literary histories of Asia and India. Basically the stories represent "archtypes" and apparently the archtypes can almost be viewed as somewhat universal which is pretty interesting in itself. Perhaps there is something to the stories....or perhaps us humans just aren't all that creative when it comes to making up stories.
And people try to tell me that there is no way that the Great Pyramid has any connection to Christianity.

I'll look into Horis. Thanks.
 

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