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Jemele Hill attacks Robert Kraft for being 'friends' with Trump

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Jemele Hill attacks Robert Kraft for being '''friends''' with Trump as the Patriots''' plane delivers masks to US | Fox News

Some people don't get it. They let their HATRED of trump get in the way to be objective or even kind. How does Jemele Hill even have a job??
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Kraft will get over it. He'll just go to a massage parlor again and get another happy ending. Maybe Trump will join him.
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What's worse? Killing babies or going to a massage parlor?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Jemele Hill is a racist... that became extremely apparent after the whole Kapernick issue a few years ago...
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The Kaepernick incident? You mean when a bunch of racist whites got enraged at the sight of a black man peacefully protesting police brutality?
 
Master Debator said:
The Kaepernick incident? You mean when a bunch of racist whites got enraged at the sight of a black man peacefully protesting police brutality?
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No. Where Kap said specifically that he was not going to show respect for the nation during it's nation anthem.

Was the idea behind the protest good? Yes.

Was the method that he chose to protest good? Kinda... not really.

Was his initial message successful? Hell no.

Was it fair that he was black balled from the NFL? Probably not.
 

I'm not sure if you're aware of this but the flag is an inanimate object, it didn't need your respect and certainly the real life victims of police brutality deserve it more than a flag. But God forbid whites stop tossing America's salad for a sec., especially when they can point and act enraged at blacks and liberals.
 

You are obviously very angry and just as obviously not ready to focus on facts or anything else that I say...
 
Bodhisattva said:
You are obviously very angry and just as obviously not ready to focus on facts or anything else that I say...
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Yes. As a minority and the father of a young black girl I'm concerned and angry about the lack of response to police brutality. Whites on the other hand were outraged over the supposed disrespect of an inanimate object. All those are facts. If you'd like to add some, feel free.

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So if you admit it's unfair that Kap was black balled, what's the basis of your claim that she's a racist?

Kap simply felt that the nation wasn't living up to its ideals.

This is a Dr. Seuss cartoon from decades before Kap...

 

The whole problem is that the black community has jumped on incidents where the police where correct in the use of violence against a violent person committing a crime. If you REALLY want to protest police brutality, find some actual incidents of it. I agree that police need to be watched to make sure that the power we give them is not misused, but Black Lives Matter didn't do it's homework to make sure they were correct before starting riots in the streets.
 

That those are not the facts. Not even close... in fact, it is extremely shortsighted and borders on a racist insult against white people and me... I am upset over police abuse as well... but guess what? That is a DIFFERENT topic and trotting out your minority status and that you have a black daughter is irrelevant. The topic I brought up was that Kap made a statement that he was not going to respect the flag or the nation. THAT is what upset people. Nobody said that his message that police brutality was not also a concern that should be addressed... and don't bring up Trump making stupid statements or racists... the average American is what matters.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media

Colin Kaepernick explains why he sat during national anthem - NFL.com

The country, meaning the average citizen in the country, does not oppress black people... White people are concerned with police brutality too.. .
 

OJ Made in America interviewed OJ Jurists and a couple said that they voted him innocent as "payback" for the Rodney King verdict... but what is really amazing that when Rodney King verdict came down, I remember white people like me thinking what a travesty... those four white cops were guilty as hell. Black people were justifiably upset but the riots were a disgrace... forward to OJ... a fairly obvious murderer. He got off and black America cheered... whites were shocked. First that he was declared innocent but almost more, that black people did not seem to care that OJ was more than likely a double murderer... what mattered was that he was not found guilty. WTF?

I understand the history of the USA and all the wrong that has happened... but it would also be nice to see that people can come together voer time and let the past go.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
So if you admit it's unfair that Kap was black balled, what's the basis of your claim that she's a racist?

Kap simply felt that the nation wasn't living up to its ideals.
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That may be how he felt but that is not what he said... and it is unfair that he is black balled but the NFL is also a business. If Kap is going to hurt the business then they do not have to hire him. What sucks is that while what he said, initially, was wrong and divisive... most people, most white people, over-reacted. and held onto what he said far too long. They should have rebounded and addressed what his message was more about... police brutality. And he should have found another way to protest. Protesting was not the issue... it was how he protested and the fact that he straight up said why he was protesting in the manner that he was.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That those are not the facts. Not even close... in fact, it is extremely shortsighted and borders on a racist insult against white people and me...
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Point out my erroneous statements, go ahead.

Bodhisattva said:
I am upset over police abuse as well... but guess what? That is a DIFFERENT topic and trotting out your minority status and that you have a black daughter is irrelevant.
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You accused me of being emotional, I was explaining why. It's telling though that you admonish my anger and dismiss my concerns as a father to a black child as irrelevant, and yet you'll validate the anger of white Americans over Kaepernick's statements. :roll:

Bodhisattva said:
The topic I brought up was that Kap made a statement that he was not going to respect the flag or the nation. THAT is what upset people.
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And being angry over someone for expressing his disappointment with his country is perfectly valid but being a black father concerned for the young black kids in his family is irrelevant... :roll:

Bodhisattva said:
Nobody said that his message that police brutality was not also a concern that should be addressed... and don't bring up Trump making stupid statements or racists... the average American is what matters.
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I never mentioned Trump. I have almost as much disdain for the Democratic party's history on this issue as I do Republicans. White Americans of both parties were perfectly happy locking away millions of young black and brown kids and sacrificing them to the war on drugs and both Republican and Democratic presidents presided over that useless and racist war. Barack Obama himself did the absolute least he could do and was a complete coward on the issue.


The country as a whole does. Every report on policing in America says so, including the ones done by our own DOJ. The history of policing in this country is one of brutality and oppression of black people. Thats just a fact. You only have to go back 54 to find pictures of police turning on fire hoses and beating on black people with night sticks for marching for equal rights.
 
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Master Debator said:
Point out my erroneous statements, go ahead.
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That, "I'm (you are) concerned and angry about the lack of response to police brutality. Whites (me included) on the other hand were outraged over the supposed disrespect of an inanimate object. "

That is not a fact. I just clearly said that I, and I will ad most white people that I knew and discussed it with, are concerned about police brutality and I even stated it in post #13 or #14. IT was not also "supposed". He flat out said it and I quoted it for you.


What I declared irrelevant was you being a minority and having a black daughter with regards to the Kapernick incident. You sure were quick to label any white person that disagreed and'or got upset with him as a racist though... to be honest, your posts are what come off as racist.

And being angry over someone for expressing his disappointment with his country is perfectly valid but being a black father concerned for the young black kids in his family is irrelevant... :roll:
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See above... I was talking about the argument presented not your Red Herring. IF you want to debate other things that is fine... but just realize that it is a different debate.


I said:

The country, meaning the average citizen in the country, does not oppress black people...
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Your response is that

The country as a whole does.
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What does this mean specifically... because it comes across like you are saying that the average white citizen is oppressing black people.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So the average white citizen oppresses black people? I don't really see any value in discussing this any further with a mind-set like yours... :shrug:
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The majority of white men and a near majority of white women do vote for a party who's actions and policies are discriminatory to African Americans and minorities by design.
 

The people who were angry over the disrespect over an inanimate object where largely white. :shrug:

And the people you know aren't indicative of any damn thing...


Thats your opinion and you're welcome to it. I stand by mine. :shrug:

Bodhisattva said:
See above... I was talking about the argument presented not your Red Herring. IF you want to debate other things that is fine... but just realize that it is a different debate.
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Sure... :roll:


Bodhisattva said:
What does this mean specifically... because it comes across like you are saying that the average white citizen is oppressing black people.
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I'm saying the most white people who vote, vote for the party that discriminates against minorities by design and that the people angry of Kaepernick were racist. I thought that was pretty clear.
 
Master Debator said:
The majority of white men and a near majority of white women do vote for a party who's actions and policies are discriminatory to African Americans and minorities by design.
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I deleted this post within seconds so I guess you were like the Flash in responding... we are going off on a tangent here but that is fine with me... what specific policies do the white male voters that oppress minorities vote for or agree with. Remember, not every person agrees with every policy that the Party in question has. For instance, I know some Republican women that are pro-choice but vote Republican because of other issues that they deem more important.

So... what policies that are racist and that white men know are racist, are they voting for?
 

The Republican party's assault on minority voting rights is an especially obvious and relevant one at the moment.
 
Master Debator said:
The people who were angry over the disrespect over an inanimate object where largely white. :shrug:
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Not really...

"In two recent polls that were both conducted within the past week, a majority of respondents said that they disagree with Kaepernick's decision to protest racial inequality and police brutality by not standing for the national anthem.

In one poll, which was conducted by Reuters, 72 percent of Americans said that they thought Kaepernick's behavior was unpatriotic. Another 61 percent said that they do not "support the stance Colin Kaepernick is taking and his decision not to stand during the national anthem."

The Reuters poll of 2,903 adults was conducted between Sept. 6-12. Kaepernick's protest went public on Aug. 26.

The poll included 1,481 people who identified as white and 612 people who identified as racial minorities. Of those two groups, 70 percent of whites disagreed with Kaepernick's stance, while only 40 percent of racial minorities disagreed with the 49ers quarterback."

POLL: Majority of Americans disagree with Colin Kaepernick's protest - CBSSports.com

Thats your opinion and you're welcome to it. I stand by mine. :shrug:
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It is not an opinion. I did not validate the anger of white Americans. I stated a fact that people were upset over his statement. Not white people... "PEOPLE". And this is backed up with facts that 40% of non-white people were also upset with how he handled the situation.

What I continue to not understand is attitudes like yours... instead of realizing that some people took offense to not standing for the flag and that this does not make them racist... instead of talking about the real issue, you want to label white people racist and muddy up the actual problem which will never lead to a solution... it also alienates those who might be willing to help...

I'm saying the most white people who vote, vote for the party that discriminates against minorities by design and that the people angry of Kaepernick were racist. I thought that was pretty clear
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So you are calling most white people racist?
 

Black balled? Did you not see that last stunt he pulled?
 
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