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Janusz Walus: Why far-right Polish football fans idolise a murderer in South Africa

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Some times extremists doesn't even pretend to pretend. They just openly celebrate a murderer.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54055822

And the main reason the like Walus is because he still believes in Apartheid. Sigh.
did this Pole kill a commie ?
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Oh, so you support apartheid as well?

Somehow I’m not surprised.
so i was right ? a commie was killed by seeking ravage for 45 years of commie occupation Pole ...whats strange to you here ?

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does not work in 2020 , your commie outdated tools
 

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so i was right ? a commie was killed by seeking ravage for 45 years of commie occupation Pole ...whats strange to you here ?

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does not work in 2020 , your commie outdated tools

A white supremacist murdered a man who had played a key role in the fight against apartheid. And no, there is no “whataboutism“ in pointing out your reaction to that murder was to babble about “commies”.

But I’m not surprised someone still mourning the SS‘ failure wouldn’t be able to grasp what was wrong with that.
 

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so i was right ? a commie was killed by seeking ravage for 45 years of commie occupation Pole ...whats strange to you here ?

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does not work in 2020 , your commie outdated tools
This was not a Polish communist, but a South African that was fighting Apartheid together with the ANC. You're the one using whataboutism trying to tie the Communist regime in Poland to a unrelated murder in South Africa.
 

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so i was right ? a commie was killed by seeking ravage for 45 years of commie occupation Pole ...whats strange to you here ?

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does not work in 2020 , your commie outdated tools
The original thread is about polish support of apartheid, you deflected first.
 

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The original thread is about polish support of apartheid, you deflected first.


i dont see Poles supporting something what has gone many years ago..., and what reaction do you expect from people who have been fighting Marxist barbaric occupation for 55 long years ? for us any ideological Marxist activist (under satanic symbols ) is occupier and legitimate target
 

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This was not a Polish communist, ..
so what ? the commie around the glob supported Marxist satanic barbaric atheist cccp occupation of eastern - central Europe. its totally natural for us to targeted Marxism - Satanists around the globe


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... murdered a man who had played ....

Reporter: how was it like to kill someone???
Lauri: Don't know all I've ever killed was Commies.

USA- Suomi hero Larry Thorne , who rests in Arlington...
 

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Reporter: how was it like to kill someone???
Lauri: Don't know all I've ever killed was Commies.

USA- Suomi hero Larry Thorne , who rests in Arlington...

Which makes your whining about how partisans fought against your Nazi collaborating heroes even more pathetically hypocritical
 

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i dont see Poles supporting something what has gone many years ago..., and what reaction do you expect from people who have been fighting Marxist barbaric occupation for 55 long years ? for us any ideological Marxist activist (under satanic symbols ) is occupier and legitimate target

So in other words you support terrorism and mass murder based on political ideology. Got it.
 

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Janusz Walus assassinated Chris Hani, who was trained in Moscow for a year and later become the General-Secretary of the SACP. The ANC and SACP were controlled by the Soviet Union and they briefed the Soviets whenever major policy decisions were made. Mandela's African National Congress had many ties to the Soviet Union and he thanked the Soviets for supporting his cause.

When the Soviets opened an embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, in 1962, more direct links between the Soviets and the ANC were cemented. The embassy, formally through the Soviet Afro-Asian Solidarity Committee, invited Oliver Tambo in December 1962 to visit the USSR for a period of rest. Tambo went to the country in March 1963, accompanied by Moses Kotane.

Tambo presented an overview of events in South Africa, and met with the CPSU. On 5 April 1963 Tambo and Kotane had talks with Ponomarev, which was the beginning of a long relationship between the men. Tambo set out radical plans for the overthrow of the apartheid regime, using armed and political struggle. He also talked of the urgent need to train ANC cadres in the USSR.

Military Training Begins

Tambo’s request for military training was approved by the Soviet government, and in Summer of 1963, two groups of 20 cadres arrived in Moscow to begin studies at the Northern Training Centre. The recruits underwent training in guerrilla warfare, military strategy and tactics, topography, drilling and the use of firearms.

A year later Chris Hani arrived and spent a year in Moscow. He would later become the MK Chief of Staff and the General-Secretary of the SACP.

One group was headed by Barney Desai, president of the SA Coloured People’s Congress. Desai soon withdrew from the programme, and merged his group into the PAC.

Tambo visited the USSR again in October, and because the number of recruits had increased significantly, training was moved to a larger facility in the city of Odessa in the Ukraine. The first group arrived in November 1963, and they were joined by a larger group that included Joe Modise (known as Thabo More) and Moses Mabhida, who was recalled from the World Federation of Trade Unions (WFTU) headquarters in Prague. Between 1963 and 1965, 328 cadres were trained at Odessa.

Leaders of the ANC and SACP also underwent aspects of military training, including Oliver Tambo, Moses Kotane, Duma Nokwe, Joe Slovo and Ambrose Makiwane. Tambo led another delegation to the USSR in August 1965, accompanied by Joe Modise.

The ANC and SACP briefed the Soviets whenever major policy decisions were made, and after the Morogoro Conference in 1969, Tambo, Modise and Nokwe met with their Soviet counterparts and delivered reports.

 

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Janusz Walus assassinated Chris Hani, who was trained in Moscow for a year and later become the General-Secretary of the SACP. The ANC and SACP were controlled by the Soviet Union and they briefed the Soviets whenever major policy decisions were made. Mandela's African National Congress had many ties to the Soviet Union and he thanked the Soviets for supporting his cause.

Arguing that the ANC was “controlled by the Soviet Union” is nonsensical; the Soviet Union certainly supported them, but the Soviet Union also supported plenty of other African groups, in large part because the West was dumb enough to hitch its wagon to trying to prop up the European colonial empires and then turned a blind eye to the atrocities committed by apartheid South Africa and “Rhodesia” for years.

“Briefing” the Soviets essentially meant the ANC‘s diplomats would send a letter informing the Soviets about what was going on in South Africa and what they were planning do to combat apartheid.

The simple fact of the matter is that by supporting the apartheid regime for as many years as they did, the West ****ed up.
 

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i dont see Poles supporting something what has gone many years ago..., and what reaction do you expect from people who have been fighting Marxist barbaric occupation for 55 long years ? for us any ideological Marxist activist (under satanic symbols ) is occupier and legitimate target

You didn't think that way when the Nazis occupied Lithuania.

Lithuania supported both the Nazi cause and the Holocaust.
 

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Arguing that the ANC was “controlled by the Soviet Union” is nonsensical; the Soviet Union certainly supported them, but the Soviet Union also supported plenty of other African groups, in large part because the West was dumb enough to hitch its wagon to trying to prop up the European colonial empires and then turned a blind eye to the atrocities committed by apartheid South Africa and “Rhodesia” for years.

“Briefing” the Soviets essentially meant the ANC‘s diplomats would send a letter informing the Soviets about what was going on in South Africa and what they were planning do to combat apartheid.

The simple fact of the matter is that by supporting the apartheid regime for as many years as they did, the West ****ed up.
THIS. Africa during the Cold War was a battelfield for proxy battles between the two Super Powers. If one power backed the government, the other would back the opposition. The USSR backed ANC because the US backed the Apartheid government, and ANC was Soviet aligned because the Soviets were the Super Power that would back them, not because ideology. We basically had people declaring themselves Communist or Capitalist solely based on which super power that would help them all over Africa during the Cold War, and it always meant very little. The Communist of yesterday could suddenly be the Capitalist of today and vice versa.
 
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