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Jan 6 Select Committee Hearings - are you watching

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Pelosi's and Piece Of Schiff's and the Democrat's are going to drag this out until the November elections; anytime the national conversation becomes critical of Democrats, like magic, some witness will be brought forth with salacious and fauxrage generating testimony which the politically biased 'news' (political propaganda) media would so gladly do their master's bidding and cover rather than anything else.

It is unfortunate that these those Capitol Police members have been drafted into the role of political pawn by Pelosi's and Piece Of Schiff's and the Democrat's.

Do you doubt me?
@Mycroft covered this very well in his post #410, specifically:

Maybe the Republicans should have considered the fallout of supporting an insurrection?

They hand the Dems an issue and you are shocked to find they are running with it?
 

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I don't care what a bunch of fascists in the house think about an actual democratic uprising on Jan. 6.

Eliminating the peaceful transfer of power by throwing away millions of certified votes is "an actual democratic uprising?"
 

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Eliminating the peaceful transfer of power by throwing away millions of certified votes is "an actual democratic uprising?"
A peaceful transfer of power counts on an actual democratic election. No investigation into the democratic nature of the 2020 was ever made. There was this preliminary 2 week investigation which determined there was no need to actually investigate the 2020 for its democratic nature.
 

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A peaceful transfer of power counts on an actual democratic election. No investigation into the democratic nature of the 2020 was ever made. There was this preliminary 2 week investigation which determined there was no need to actually investigate the 2020 for its democratic nature.

So what?
 

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I did not watch the coverage at the time. Sounds like it was worse than I thought.

What is the objectives of these hearings? Was anything new learned? Even if so, how is this expected to be useful? Also, how many investigations are currently underway and how are each empowered? Seems like having so many invites overlap/confusion.
 

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Fighting fascists at 12 must be tough. Just an assumption.
There are too many authoritarians in American gov't and there are too many authoritarian Americans for democracy to thrive in America.
All fascists are authoritarian...All progressives are authoritarian...Some high-level GOPs are authoritarian. The authoritarian has one foot in fascism.
 

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Maybe the Republicans should have considered the fallout of supporting an insurrection?

They hand the Dems an issue and you are shocked to find they are running with it?
Why should GOPs consider the fallout of the Jan.6 riots? Dems weren't held accountable for the insurrections during the Floyd protests.:rolleyes:
 

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Why should GOPs consider the fallout of the Jan.6 riots? Dems weren't held accountable for the insurrections during the Floyd protests.:rolleyes:

Despite the fact that you are confusing breaking the law, as with the Floyd related riots, which is not insurrection, and undermining the rule of law, as with the 1/6, which was insurrection, you are arguing here that both are okay. Are you sure you want to go with that?

And what did the Dems do for which they must be held accountable during the Floyd protests?
 

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Despite the fact that you are confusing breaking the law, as with the Floyd related riots, which is not insurrection, and undermining the rule of law, as with the 1/6, which was insurrection, you are arguing here that both are okay. Are you sure you want to go with that?
The police enforce laws. The Floyd protestors want the police defunded/eliminated...That's insurrection. The Floyd protestors destroyed and looted...That's insurrection.

The Floyd protestors think all cops kill blacks, for example, because of the actions of one cop in Minneapolis...That's extreme prejudice.
 

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I did not watch the coverage at the time. Sounds like it was worse than I thought.

What is the objectives of these hearings? Was anything new learned? Even if so, how is this expected to be useful? Also, how many investigations are currently underway and how are each empowered? Seems like having so many invites overlap/confusion.
That's the point of the select committee - to consolidate information. Why do some people have such a hard time understanding such a basic concept? If it had not been for Republican obstructionism, this would have been done by an independent commission, but it still needs to be done. Having serious Republicans on the committee will assure a balanced approach to the process.

This is the right wing mantra: "I did not watch the coverage at the time. Sounds like it was worse than I thought." It seems to me if it was important enough to comment on, it should have been important enough to watch. Again, basic concept.
 

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How is it dishonest?
Because it doesnt follow his partisan script, that's the label his overlords prescribed. It's funny reading an actual fascist calling the majority fascist. Very 1984.
 

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How is it dishonest?
"Maybe the Republicans should have considered the fallout of supporting an insurrection?"
Assumes that which is not in evidence. It is as I've described it.

Now, if the FBI investigates, finds that crime, and the DOJ charges it, that would be far different than a political opponent accusing it.
Just recall the 'Trump / Russian Collusion' hoax that went on for some 2 1/2 years, only to end up with nothing of substance, nothing actionable.
 

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"Maybe the Republicans should have considered the fallout of supporting an insurrection?"
Assumes that which is not in evidence. It is as I've described it.

Now, if the FBI investigates, finds that crime, and the DOJ charges it, that would be far different than a political opponent accusing it.
Just recall the 'Trump / Russian Collusion' hoax that went on for some 2 1/2 years, only to end up with nothing of substance, nothing actionable.
Please call your congressman as soon as possible and make sure you tell them:
1. If any agency that has the power to bring criminal charges is investigating an issue, congress has no business looking at it for any reason;
2. Any investigation done by congress that does not result in them accusing someone of a crime is a waste of time;
3. Any investigation conducted by special counsel that does not result in criminal charges was a hoax and a waste of time.
 

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There are too many authoritarians in American gov't and there are too many authoritarian Americans for democracy to thrive in America.
All fascists are authoritarian...All progressives are authoritarian...Some high-level GOPs are authoritarian. The authoritarian has one foot in fascism.
So, I gather you don't like social democracy? Citizens of countries who feel their citizens deserve a good quality of life, in layman terms. Vacations, shorter work weeks, less hours, family leave, etc.

Do you think countries that offer affordable healthcare and education are oppressive?

Do you feel sorry for people who live in Scandinavian countries? England? France?
 

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What is the objectives of these hearings?
If one were actually curious, one could read the resolution that formed the committee.

The summary reads: "The select committee must (1) conduct an investigation of the relevant facts and circumstances relating to the attack on the Capitol; (2) identify, review, and evaluate the causes of and the lessons learned from this attack; and (3) submit a report containing findings, conclusions, and recommendations to prevent future acts of violence, domestic terrorism, and domestic violent extremism, and to improve the security of the U.S. Capitol Complex and other American democratic institutions."

This mirrors the language intended to create the proposed commission: "The commission must (1) conduct an investigation of the relevant facts and circumstances relating to the attack on the Capitol; (2) identify, review, and evaluate the causes of and the lessons learned from this attack; and (3) submit specified reports containing findings, conclusions, and recommendations to improve the detection, prevention, preparedness for, and response to targeted violence and domestic terrorism and improve the security posture of the U.S. Capitol Complex."

The actual text reads:
Consistent with the functions described in section 4, the purposes of the Select Committee are the following:
(1) To investigate and report upon the facts, circumstances, and causes relating to the January 6, 2021, domestic terrorist attack upon the United States Capitol Complex (hereafter referred to as the “domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol”) and relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power, including facts and causes relating to the preparedness and response of the United States Capitol Police and other Federal, State, and local law enforcement agencies in the National Capital Region and other instrumentalities of government, as well as the influencing factors that fomented such an attack on American representative democracy while engaged in a constitutional process.
(2) To examine and evaluate evidence developed by relevant Federal, State, and local governmental agencies regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol and targeted violence and domestic terrorism relevant to such terrorist attack.
(3) To build upon the investigations of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication of efforts by reviewing the investigations, findings, conclusions, and recommendations of other executive branch, congressional, or independent bipartisan or nonpartisan commission investigations into the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol, including investigations into influencing factors related to such attack.
Glad I could be of assistance.
 
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Please call your congressman as soon as possible and make sure you tell them:
1. If any agency that has the power to bring criminal charges is investigating an issue, congress has no business looking at it for any reason;
2. Any investigation done by congress that does not result in them accusing someone of a crime is a waste of time;
3. Any investigation conducted by special counsel that does not result in criminal charges was a hoax and a waste of time.
You are giving Pelosi's, Piece Of Schiff's and the Democrat's "informationally worthless stagecraft, a bit of theater for scoring political points and vacuous accusations like "the GOP needs a scapegoat" and "learning the GOP are looking more guilty every day" is little more than unsupported character assassination NOT INFORMATION AS TO HOW AND WHY THIS HAPPENED" far too much credit.
(paraphrased from @maxparrish's post #1,007 where he was 100% correct)

If Pelosi, Piece Of Schiff and the Democrats and their 'commission' were really and truly in search of information as to how and why this happened, it would be a completely different matter, but that is clearly not what Pelosi, Piece Of Schiff and the Democrats are conducting here, as maxparrish's post properly and accurately describes.
 

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Despite the fact that you are confusing breaking the law, as with the Floyd related riots, which is not insurrection, and undermining the rule of law, as with the 1/6, which was insurrection, you are arguing here that both are okay. Are you sure you want to go with that?

And what did the Dems do for which they must be held accountable during the Floyd protests?
What?!? The BLM riots took over sections of the city for there very own, CHAZ remember? Burning federal court houses? Clashing with federal agents. Insurrection of the highest order.
 

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Despite the fact that you are confusing breaking the law, as with the Floyd related riots, which is not insurrection, and undermining the rule of law, as with the 1/6, which was insurrection, you are arguing here that both are okay. Are you sure you want to go with that?

And what did the Dems do for which they must be held accountable during the Floyd protests?

Accountable for?
Not only did Democrat leaders contribute to a bail out fund for rioters:

Campaign staff for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden are advertising their donations to a group that pays bail fees in Minneapolis after the city's police jailed people protesting the ...​
With their silence about those riots and failure to condemn those riots, at least not until very late, they tacitly endorsed and supported those riots, with their bail out fund, freeing rioters to riot some more, doubly so.

Sorry, those are the 'rule' which the left impose on others, so they'd have to be the same 'rules' that they need to comply with.
(How many times do politicians have to condemn White Supremacist organizations? 20? 30 times? - Same applied here with the Democrat's lack of condemnation)

What?!? The BLM riots took over sections of the city for there very own, CHAZ remember? Burning federal court houses? Clashing with federal agents. Insurrection of the highest order.
Most certainly the case.
 

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You are giving Pelosi's, Piece Of Schiff's and the Democrat's "informationally worthless stagecraft, a bit of theater for scoring political points and vacuous accusations like "the GOP needs a scapegoat" and "learning the GOP are looking more guilty every day" is little more than unsupported character assassination NOT INFORMATION AS TO HOW AND WHY THIS HAPPENED" far too much credit.
(paraphrased from @maxparrish's post #1,007 where he was 100% correct)

If Pelosi, Piece Of Schiff and the Democrats and their 'commission' were really and truly in search of information as to how and why this happened, it would be a completely different matter, but that is clearly not what Pelosi, Piece Of Schiff and the Democrats are conducting here, as maxparrish's post properly and accurately describes.
Interesting you quoted my comment but but made no effort to address any of those points. I guess you agree those points do sum up when where and how you think congressional investigations are appropriate?

Your rhetoric merely shows you are every bit as partisan motivated, if not more so, than those whom you accuse of being blatantly partisan. The fact you and others had concluded this was a partisan witch hunt, before it even began, proves that point.
 

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Accountable for?
Not only did Democrat leaders contribute to a bail out fund for rioters:

Campaign staff for Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden are advertising their donations to a group that pays bail fees in Minneapolis after the city's police jailed people protesting the ...​
With their silence about those riots and failure to condemn those riots, at least not until very late, they tacitly endorsed and supported those riots, with their bail out fund, freeing rioters to riot some more, doubly so.

Sorry, those are the 'rule' which the left impose on others, so they'd have to be the same 'rules' that they need to comply with.
(How many times do politicians have to condemn White Supremacist organizations? 20? 30 times? - Same applied here with the Democrat's lack of condemnation)


Most certainly the case.

Demicrat staff donations to a bail relief NGO were not earmarked for rioters.

The leader of the Republucan party said he loved the insurrectionists.

Quite a contrast that even you should be able to see.
 

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What?!? The BLM riots took over sections of the city for there very own, CHAZ remember? Burning federal court houses? Clashing with federal agents. Insurrection of the highest order.

Woolworth lunch counter sit-ins were not intended to seize control of Woolworths.

These are protests, not insurrections.
 

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Interesting you quoted my comment but but made no effort to address any of those points. I guess you agree those points do sum up when where and how you think congressional investigations are appropriate?
"If Pelosi, Piece Of Schiff and the Democrats and their 'commission' were really and truly in search of information as to how and why this happened, it would be a completely different matter"
Your rhetoric merely shows you are every bit as partisan motivated, if not more so, than those whom you accuse of being blatantly partisan. The fact you and others had concluded this was a partisan witch hunt, before it even began, proves that point.
The politically driven Kabuki theater started, and it didn't take very long for it to have shown itself to be such.
Pelosi, Piece Of Schiff have already established a well worn track record for misusing congressional venues, such as this 'commission' and others, as exactly as described.
 
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