Jan. 6 Committee Subpoenas Six Lawyers Allegedly Tied To Trump’s Push To Overturn Election

[Athanasius68]

1. Agreement to defraud the US
If the Constitution is the law of the land, violating the Constitution is unlawful. Trump sent a tweet out: 8:17 a.m. @realDonaldTrump
“States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

Trump was warned that the neither the 12th A , nor the Federal election code have any reference to the VP either sending a delegation back to the state legislature or that the VP has authority to reject a slate by himself. Or herself.
The other aspect of the agreement to defraud the US was that their fundraising was tied to their claims of fraud and they took in a mountain of $.

2. Intention of "interfering with the election certification process"
The process trump and John Eastman were trying to use was invented. It's not in the Constitution. Trump wanted the DOJ, DHS and the pentagon to get invoved in supporting his plan.

• November 7, 2020 - Trump fires Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. He is replaced by Christopher Miller.
• Nov 12 and 13 - Trump removes senior Defense Department Officials and replaces them with appointments to ‘acting’ roles.
• Dec 15 - Rosen meets with Trump at the White House. According to Rosen’s public testimony to the Senate, Trump wanted him to appoint a special counsel to investigate fraud and to take further action in states like GA, MI, and PA. Rosen declined to agree.
• Dec 28 - Jeffrey Clarke sends a draft letter to DOJ leadership urging that the Governors and Legislatures should hold emergency sessions and recall their Electoral College slates. None of them called a session to recind the slates they chose on Dec. 14 .
• Jan 4 - U.S. Attorney Jay Pak resigns after he refuses to comply with White House demands.

3. "Disseminating false information about election fraud"

4. "Pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".
January 2, 2020 [/B]

We have the tape. “You know what they did and you’re not reporting it,” the president said during the call. “You know, that’s a criminal — that’s a criminal offense. And you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That’s a big risk.”

“So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”…“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”

The Select Committee is bound by law to release all materials to the public after their final report. That's transparency. They know that now, and they have the receipts,

1. And Trump had a lawyer who apparently said the VP had that authority.

2. Everything was rejected because:
A. No legal basis for appointing a special prosecutor
B. The states had already certified their electors and there is probably no mechanism in state laws to undo that certification. Moreover, since it was past the 14th, even
if a state was to reconsider, and actually withdraw their certified electors, federal law would have meant that the electors would not be counted anyhow.
C. Its not clear how a resignation of a US attorney is evidence of a crime being committed by somebody else.

3. its not a good idea to propose criminalizing speech.

4. The transcript calls for the governor to find the allegedly already cast ballots for Trump. The law people keep referring to is about tabulating ballots incorrectly, or creating ballots out of whole cloth. It doesn't apply.

 

[Mycroft]

You say "we" know. You mean " I think"

Wrong. We don't think. We know.

There is video evidence of ballot box stuffing. Haven't you seen it?

Here is just one video:



And here is an article that explains just how big of an operation this ballot box stuffing was.

WATCH: New Video Shows Proof Positive Evidence of Ballot Trafficking in Georgia

Millions of Americans stand by their conviction that the 2020 Presidential Election was not fair. Not only did the mainstream media and big tech conspire to undermine President Trump’s campaign for a second term, there was outright cheating at the polls. Evidence has surfaced in every single...

steadfastclash.com

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Ballot traffickers reportedly earned $10 per ballot, so they needed to prove their count. This single recorded incident is one of hundreds. Heather Mullins, from Real America’s Voice, said, “He fans out ballots, takes a photo, and places them in the dropbox.”​

​

Mullins and other investigators estimate that there were over 200 ballot traffickers in Georgia. These ballot box stuffers made more than 5,000 trips to drop boxes across the state. Most of these crooked ballots were dropped between midnight and 5:00 AM in the morning.​

​

Across multiple weeks of early voting, this would account for thousands of illegal ballots. Ballot harvesting isn’t even legal in Georgia. However, video footage proves it happened. How come no one has ever been held accountable for this cheating?​

The answer to that question, of course, is because of Raffensperger NOT DOING HIS DAMNED JOB!!!

 

[ClaraD]

The dog and pony show isn't interested in "truth and justice".

Too bad for you.

Even the courts say you and Trump are wrong...

 

[Crakhobarbie]

We now know that GA had a BIG problem with stuffing the ballot boxes.

You cannot support this allegation with any evidence that's viable enough to be admissable in a court of law. You have no recourse without viable evidence of wrongdoing. Why can't you understand that?

Wrong. We don't think. We know.

There is video evidence of ballot box stuffing. Haven't you seen it?

Here is just one video:



And here is an article that explains just how big of an operation this ballot box stuffing was.

WATCH: New Video Shows Proof Positive Evidence of Ballot Trafficking in Georgia

Millions of Americans stand by their conviction that the 2020 Presidential Election was not fair. Not only did the mainstream media and big tech conspire to undermine President Trump’s campaign for a second term, there was outright cheating at the polls. Evidence has surfaced in every single...

steadfastclash.com

​

Ballot traffickers reportedly earned $10 per ballot, so they needed to prove their count. This single recorded incident is one of hundreds. Heather Mullins, from Real America’s Voice, said, “He fans out ballots, takes a photo, and places them in the dropbox.”​

​

Mullins and other investigators estimate that there were over 200 ballot traffickers in Georgia. These ballot box stuffers made more than 5,000 trips to drop boxes across the state. Most of these crooked ballots were dropped between midnight and 5:00 AM in the morning.​

​

Across multiple weeks of early voting, this would account for thousands of illegal ballots. Ballot harvesting isn’t even legal in Georgia. However, video footage proves it happened. How come no one has ever been held accountable for this cheating?​

The answer to that question, of course, is because of Raffensperger NOT DOING HIS DAMNED JOB!!!

This video is not viable evidence and it's shocking to see that your so gullible to actually believe it is. I love the way the guy actually fans out these alleged ballots, so that it's clear for all to see that he's commiting a federal crime.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Typical.

You ignore the evidence he presents and just say "Nuh-uh!!!"

Why do you think it is that we have 26 republican led states, and none of them have chosen to overturn the results of their own elections.? Is it possible they all looked at Trump's BS claims and found nothing there? Not to mention 60 courts and the SC.

I hope you at least see what Trump is trying to do. It's one huge grift. He keeps riling his base with all this crap and they keep sending money. All it does is enrich Trump and the election results don't change. You're being conned my friend. Not much more to say.

 

[Mycroft]

You cannot support this allegation with any evidence that's viable enough to be admissable in a court of law. You have no recourse without viable evidence of wrongdoing. Why can't you understand that?

This video is not viable evidence and it's shocking to see that your so gullible to actually believe it is. I love the way the guy actually fans out these alleged ballots, so that it's clear for all to see that he's commiting a federal crime.

Oh...there's more, including testimony from one of the ballot box stuffers.

 

[soap box]

Wrong. We don't think. We know.

There is video evidence of ballot box stuffing. Haven't you seen it?

Here is just one video:



And here is an article that explains just how big of an operation this ballot box stuffing was.

WATCH: New Video Shows Proof Positive Evidence of Ballot Trafficking in Georgia

Millions of Americans stand by their conviction that the 2020 Presidential Election was not fair. Not only did the mainstream media and big tech conspire to undermine President Trump’s campaign for a second term, there was outright cheating at the polls. Evidence has surfaced in every single...

steadfastclash.com

​

Ballot traffickers reportedly earned $10 per ballot, so they needed to prove their count. This single recorded incident is one of hundreds. Heather Mullins, from Real America’s Voice, said, “He fans out ballots, takes a photo, and places them in the dropbox.”​

​

Mullins and other investigators estimate that there were over 200 ballot traffickers in Georgia. These ballot box stuffers made more than 5,000 trips to drop boxes across the state. Most of these crooked ballots were dropped between midnight and 5:00 AM in the morning.​

​

Across multiple weeks of early voting, this would account for thousands of illegal ballots. Ballot harvesting isn’t even legal in Georgia. However, video footage proves it happened. How come no one has ever been held accountable for this cheating?​

The answer to that question, of course, is because of Raffensperger NOT DOING HIS DAMNED JOB!!!

I agree that a person who is guilty of the GA law prohibiting ballot harvesting should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. That case is not on the dockets at this time. Heather Mullins, from Real America’s Voice and David Cross are not election officials, and they are jumping to conclusions, while no law enforcement agency has filed charges.
If this video is not part of any case on any current or past docket in Georgia, there is only speculation. Speculation doesn't mean "I know" , it means "I hope". Tell me when they file a case.
The article you cited did not refer to a court case.
If I may quote from the article you cited,

"Mullins and other investigators estimate that there were over 200 ballot traffickers in Georgia. " Estimate means charges have not been brought.
"If Republicans finally grow a spine, there will finally be serious investigations to uncover the truth." OK. with me.

The article uses phrases like "logical hunch", "estimate" "would be"

and the disclaimer -
The views and opinions expressed here are solely those of the author of the article and not necessarily shared or endorsed by SteadfastClash.com

Surely this isn't your only objection, I was talking about events that were supported by enough evidence to pass muster in a real court in front of a real judge and be accepted as evidence so that a trial or motion may proceed. A docket number would be helpful.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Oh...there's more, including testimony from one of the ballot box stuffers.

No there's not. If you had viable evidence of wrongdoing that had been confirmed, you'd of posted it. But you don't. That's how you roll. Trying to peddle your gossip as gospel. You've got an enormous wad of nothing.

Fact check: Georgia investigation into alleged ballot harvesting is not evidence of election fraud

A year after the Capitol riot, former President Donald Trump promoted a misleading and unproven claim about Georgia's 2020 election.

www.usatoday.com

 

[upsideguy]

Sounds like a good reason to dial back the rush to certify. But, of course, we couldn't have anything interfere with the certification of election fraud.


All Trump wanted was a DOJ official who would investigate election fraud and bring the criminals to justice. And YOU call that "interfering".

God help us if we "interfere" with criminal acitons.


There were mountains of evidence BEFORE Pence and Congress did their thing. It was ALL ignored. Mountains more have come out since...even last week, information about criminal actions in Wisconsin's election. Again...ignored.

So no...the only "false information" being disseminated is by those who deny there is any evidence of election fraud.


So...a President asking a state official to do his damned job is "pressuring"? LOL!! btw, that state official has since come out and said there was NO pressuring by Trump.

Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again.


But that doesn't stop them from releasing tidbits to their media propaganda arm whenever they need to give their narrative a shot in the arm.

Question: Why don't they release everything they have right now? Release it when they get it?

Answer: Because they have to pick and choose what to release...that which supports their narrative best.

You won't hear about ANYTHING that disputes their narrative. They simply won't tell you about it.

I snipped some of your nonsense because of the 5000 character limit.

Each one of these things is factually incorrect. As a matter of law, Trump had every opportunity to challenge the outcome. He did so, and lost in almost every instance. The election was certified. As a matter of law and as a matter fact he lost. He was a candidate for the office of President. He has ZERO say in the counting or process of elections. As a matter of fact (by experts and the law) there was no outstanding issues with the outcome of the election; there was no fraud of consequence. He was well advised of this fact, but he refused to honor it. Even if there was question in Trump's mind, It was not Trump's call, his responsibility or within his authority to do anything but to honor the outcome of the election.

As a result of Trump's refusal to accept facts, he proceeded in action that has gotten him into trouble. His actions are apparently unlawful.

The problem for you is very similar to Trump. You want you own facts. The world does not work that way. You are ostensibly a flat-earther trying to be a navigator. You are out of your league. You don't understand Trump's legal dilemma because you can deal with facts. Here they are:

1) There was no consequential election fraud
2) Trump had opportunity to litigate his concerns. He did so, he lost.
3) All of his experts reviewed the "evidence" and acknowledged he lost.
4) Trump simply refused to admit he lost.
5) He used his authority and position to attempt to overturn the results of a certified election. This was a crime.
6) He involved others in the process. This turned the crime into a conspiracy.
7) Your refusal to accept any of these facts does not change of any of this.

Trump's problem with not accepting facts is that he may have legal consequences. Your problem with not accepting facts, well, this makes you look foolish.

 

[soap box]

Oh...there's more, including testimony from one of the ballot box stuffers.

Wrong. We don't think. We know.

There is video evidence of ballot box stuffing. Haven't you seen it?

Here is just one video:



And here is an article that explains just how big of an operation this ballot box stuffing was.

WATCH: New Video Shows Proof Positive Evidence of Ballot Trafficking in Georgia

Millions of Americans stand by their conviction that the 2020 Presidential Election was not fair. Not only did the mainstream media and big tech conspire to undermine President Trump’s campaign for a second term, there was outright cheating at the polls. Evidence has surfaced in every single...

steadfastclash.com

​

Ballot traffickers reportedly earned $10 per ballot, so they needed to prove their count. This single recorded incident is one of hundreds. Heather Mullins, from Real America’s Voice, said, “He fans out ballots, takes a photo, and places them in the dropbox.”​

​

Mullins and other investigators estimate that there were over 200 ballot traffickers in Georgia. These ballot box stuffers made more than 5,000 trips to drop boxes across the state. Most of these crooked ballots were dropped between midnight and 5:00 AM in the morning.​

​

Across multiple weeks of early voting, this would account for thousands of illegal ballots. Ballot harvesting isn’t even legal in Georgia. However, video footage proves it happened. How come no one has ever been held accountable for this cheating?​

The answer to that question, of course, is because of Raffensperger NOT DOING HIS DAMNED JOB!!!

Sounds like a good reason to dial back the rush to certify. But, of course, we couldn't have anything interfere with the certification of election fraud.


All Trump wanted was a DOJ official who would investigate election fraud and bring the criminals to justice. And YOU call that "interfering".

God help us if we "interfere" with criminal acitons.


There were mountains of evidence BEFORE Pence and Congress did their thing. It was ALL ignored. Mountains more have come out since...even last week, information about criminal actions in Wisconsin's election. Again...ignored.

So no...the only "false information" being disseminated is by those who deny there is any evidence of election fraud.


So...a President asking a state official to do his damned job is "pressuring"? LOL!! btw, that state official has since come out and said there was NO pressuring by Trump.

Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again.


But that doesn't stop them from releasing tidbits to their media propaganda arm whenever they need to give their narrative a shot in the arm.

Question: Why don't they release everything they have right now? Release it when they get it?

Answer: Because they have to pick and choose what to release...that which supports their narrative best.

You won't hear about ANYTHING that disputes their narrative. They simply won't tell you about it.

I snipped some of your nonsense because of the 5000 character limit.

You posted , " Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again.

Isn't there a contradiction in what is posted here? Wouldn't Raffensberger like to file a charge now? Wouldn't that really convince the trump crowd that he's on their side? He's not doing his job?

If he said there was fraud, someone, somebody would ask to see it. He won't file charges concerning this video because he realizes it won't get a conviction. That's also doing his job. If he doesn't have real evidence he is not going to introduce charges.

 

[Mycroft]

You posted , " Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again.

Isn't there a contradiction in what is posted here? Wouldn't Raffensberger like to file a charge now? Wouldn't that really convince the trump crowd that he's on their side? He's not doing his job?

If he said there was fraud, someone, somebody would ask to see it. He won't file charges concerning this video because he realizes it won't get a conviction. That's also doing his job. If he doesn't have real evidence he is not going to introduce charges.

Oh, I don't expect any justice from Raffensperger. He might find himself "committing suicide" if he does. But he STILL needs to walk a fine line to stay in his position as GA SoS. Hence, downplaying the call with Trump so the voters think he's going to do something...but not actually doing anything substantive.

So no...even if evidence it shoved under his nose, and it has been, he won't do anything about it. He'll just talk in hopes of fooling the voters.

 

[soap box]

1. And Trump had a lawyer who apparently said the VP had that authority.

2. Everything was rejected because:
A. No legal basis for appointing a special prosecutor
B. The states had already certified their electors and there is probably no mechanism in state laws to undo that certification. Moreover, since it was past the 14th, even
if a state was to reconsider, and actually withdraw their certified electors, federal law would have meant that the electors would not be counted anyhow.
C. Its not clear how a resignation of a US attorney is evidence of a crime being committed by somebody else.

3. its not a good idea to propose criminalizing speech.

4. The transcript calls for the governor to find the allegedly already cast ballots for Trump. The law people keep referring to is about tabulating ballots incorrectly, or creating ballots out of whole cloth. It doesn't apply.

1. the Eastman Plan is attached. At the end of the second page it states that the VP is the ultimate arbiter in these matters. Please quote the constitution or federal Code where that is the role or power of the VP to take actions described therein.

2.A. Are you talking about Rosen and his refusal to comply with trump's demands? If he had lied about fraud, he would have to show other people the evidence. He didn't have any evidence of fraud and so he refused trumps requests to appoint a special prosecutor. If he did have fraud he would have made it public and complied with the request to appoint a special prosecutor. Without evidence, no dice.

2.B. I understand that. That's why the tweet from trump is asking Pence to recognize a problem in state EC slates, claim that the legislatures wanted to rescind their slates, and then neither candidate would have enough EC votes and the election would be thrown to the House, where each state gets 1 vote , and trump would have been president.
You'll have to cite the constitution or the Federal election Code to show where there is any mention of a VP doing this by himself, or herself.

2.C. Pak is only a person on a very long list of people who was told to either follow trump and white house orders or resign.

3. Those words were not from some blogger, YT influencer or Talk show host. Those words were from the GDamned President of the United States! He is part of the Constitution and he wanted to cheat on it.

4. The last I heard the Cyber Ninja turtles uncovered all sorts of ghost votes and phantom votes, and more. @Mycroft had been telling me that the Arizona AG was supposed to do something about it. Now we're getting noisy racket about Raffensberger, or any other law enforcement official in GA to convict some people on a video. Have at it ! Get a lawyer and start the case !

Hang 'em high I always say !!!

 

[mike2810]

Wrong. We don't think. We know.

There is video evidence of ballot box stuffing. Haven't you seen it?

Here is just one video:



And here is an article that explains just how big of an operation this ballot box stuffing was.

WATCH: New Video Shows Proof Positive Evidence of Ballot Trafficking in Georgia

Millions of Americans stand by their conviction that the 2020 Presidential Election was not fair. Not only did the mainstream media and big tech conspire to undermine President Trump’s campaign for a second term, there was outright cheating at the polls. Evidence has surfaced in every single...

steadfastclash.com

​

Ballot traffickers reportedly earned $10 per ballot, so they needed to prove their count. This single recorded incident is one of hundreds. Heather Mullins, from Real America’s Voice, said, “He fans out ballots, takes a photo, and places them in the dropbox.”​

​

Mullins and other investigators estimate that there were over 200 ballot traffickers in Georgia. These ballot box stuffers made more than 5,000 trips to drop boxes across the state. Most of these crooked ballots were dropped between midnight and 5:00 AM in the morning.​

​

Across multiple weeks of early voting, this would account for thousands of illegal ballots. Ballot harvesting isn’t even legal in Georgia. However, video footage proves it happened. How come no one has ever been held accountable for this cheating?​

The answer to that question, of course, is because of Raffensperger NOT DOING HIS DAMNED JOB!!!

As far as the alleged "ballot stuffing", prove that the ballots were not votes for Trump?

 

[Mycroft]

As far as the alleged "ballot stuffing", prove that the ballots were not votes for Trump?

The only way that can be done is with a complete, forensic audit of the entire GA election.

Of course, those in the election system of that state will do EVERYTHING they can to prevent that from happening.

 

[mike2810]

The only way that can be done is with a complete, forensic audit of the entire GA election.

Of course, those in the election system of that state will do EVERYTHING they can to prevent that from happening.

Actually. it is way past time to put the 2020 election behind us. DJT lost. Too bad he is not man enough to admit it.

/sarcasm on
As far as ANOTHER AUDIT.
I bet Logan from the now bankrupt out of business Cyber Ninjas would be more than happy to conduct the audit. His Team did such an outstanding job in Arizona. Bit 150K. raise +7 million, Spend 9 million. Great business planning on Logans part. .

 

[Hamish Howl]

The only way that can be done is with a complete, forensic audit of the entire GA election.

Of course, those in the election system of that state will do EVERYTHING they can to prevent that from happening.

Okay. You gotta pay for it, though.

 

[LostinThought]

Your absolutely right. Donald and his minions, after over a year, still have no evidence viable enough to be admissable in a court of law.

Our narrative is, and has been, very simple.... you have no evidence viable enough to be admissable in a court of law. Because if y'all did, you'd be using it.

Well, I see MAGA more as a cult. But "dog and pony show" applies as well.

The irony of someone like this, stating that something else is a cult... is not lost on me.

 

[Mycroft]

Actually. it is way past time to put the 2020 election behind us. DJT lost. Too bad he is not man enough to admit it.

/sarcasm on

It is never "past time" to administer justice and especially never past time to make sure criminal action never happens again.

 

[Mycroft]

Okay. You gotta pay for it, though.

If Nancy can pay millions for a dog and pony show, there shouldn't be any question about paying for something as important as a forensic audit to combat election fraud.

 

[poweRob]

They’ve got a lot, which is obvious, as is Trump’s criminality.

We already have the Eastman memo, which outlined the conspiracy, and the public admissions of Eastman, Navarro (who fingered your hero as the leader of the plot).

They know who the plotters were, where they were, who they talked to, and increasingly what was said.

This was a plot to overthrow the US Government and install a wannbe dictator who could not win an election.

You can call it whatever you want. But you’re bankrupt on this subject.

This isn‘t a “dog and pony show”. Spinning is not necessary.

The guilty parties are practically advertising their duplicity in a blizzard of dubious attempts to claim privilege. Not one of them has had any success at all.

The rule of law will prevail.

Trumpism is a disgrace to our country. And the wannabe king just endorsed the Russian invasion of Ukraine, just to put a cherry on top.

You are absolutely right on us having a LOT to go on. But wake me up when Garland gets his thumb out of his ass and decides to do anything. Anything at all aside from going after foot soldiers.

 

[Athanasius68]

1. the Eastman Plan is attached. At the end of the second page it states that the VP is the ultimate arbiter in these matters. Please quote the constitution or federal Code where that is the role or power of the VP to take actions described therein.

2.A. Are you talking about Rosen and his refusal to comply with trump's demands? If he had lied about fraud, he would have to show other people the evidence. He didn't have any evidence of fraud and so he refused trumps requests to appoint a special prosecutor. If he did have fraud he would have made it public and complied with the request to appoint a special prosecutor. Without evidence, no dice.

2.B. I understand that. That's why the tweet from trump is asking Pence to recognize a problem in state EC slates, claim that the legislatures wanted to rescind their slates, and then neither candidate would have enough EC votes and the election would be thrown to the House, where each state gets 1 vote , and trump would have been president.
You'll have to cite the constitution or the Federal election Code to show where there is any mention of a VP doing this by himself, or herself.

2.C. Pak is only a person on a very long list of people who was told to either follow trump and white house orders or resign.

3. Those words were not from some blogger, YT influencer or Talk show host. Those words were from the GDamned President of the United States! He is part of the Constitution and he wanted to cheat on it.

4. The last I heard the Cyber Ninja turtles uncovered all sorts of ghost votes and phantom votes, and more. @Mycroft had been telling me that the Arizona AG was supposed to do something about it. Now we're getting noisy racket about Raffensberger, or any other law enforcement official in GA to convict some people on a video. Have at it ! Get a lawyer and start the case !

Hang 'em high I always say !!!

1. Its a weak argument by Eastman. Which is why the electoral count act should probably be reformed.
But in any event, those folks who believe in a 'living constitution' and find penumbras in the constitution are scarcely in a position to complain that Eastman found one.

2. A special prosecutor can only be appointed if the DOJ has some conflict in which it cannot reasonably be expected to investigate an alleged crime through its normal systems. Its hard to see why the Trump admin couldn't investigate alleged electoral fraud.

3. Not sure what that is about.

4. Not sure what cyberninjas has to do with the fact that the transcript of what Trump said to Raffensberg does not seem to line up with what the law says is a violation thereof.

 

[soap box]

1. Its a weak argument by Eastman. Which is why the electoral count act should probably be reformed.
But in any event, those folks who believe in a 'living constitution' and find penumbras in the constitution are scarcely in a position to complain that Eastman found one.

2. A special prosecutor can only be appointed if the DOJ has some conflict in which it cannot reasonably be expected to investigate an alleged crime through its normal systems. Its hard to see why the Trump admin couldn't investigate alleged electoral fraud.

3. Not sure what that is about.

4. Not sure what cyberninjas has to do with the fact that the transcript of what Trump said to Raffensberg does not seem to line up with what the law says is a violation thereof.

1. Please cite the exact phrase or phrases in the constitution or federal election code that allows the VP to unilaterally remove an EC slate or to unilaterally send an EC delegation back to the state legislature. Pence recently remarked, Trump is wrong. You didn't cite anything. But you're objecting anyway. Please find something that declares that the VP is the "ultimate arbiter", and let me see it for myself.

2. You wrote that "Its hard to see why the Trump admin couldn't investigate alleged electoral fraud."
If there had been fraud it would be easy to investigate. If there had been fraud, Rosen would have gotten started. Rosen said 'No' to trump because he wasn't aware of any fraud sufficient to open an investigation. Niether was Krebs, Wray, Barr, Pak, and many others.

3. First addressed on post # 71 . There was no appreciable fraud in 2020. Trump was warned by many figures, Barr, Wray, Krebs, Pak, Raffensberger, and yet the White House continued repeating the BIG LIE. These lies led to J6 and the riot, and the constitutional manipulation that was attempted. All of this is important because it reveals how much trump was willing to do in order to cheat the constitution. That relates to the committee finding of criminal intent.

4. In both AZ and currently in GA, individuals are calling for criminal charges concerning voter or election fraud. The responsible authorities don't have enough evidence to get a conviction and the efforts are apparently stalled. Tell me when they file charges.

The select committee will release all documents, testimony and other information in their possession after the final report is made. That is transparency. The select committee has the receipts. Trump lied. Trump lost.

 

[Athanasius68]

1. Please cite the exact phrase or phrases in the constitution or federal election code that allows the VP to unilaterally remove an EC slate or to unilaterally send an EC delegation back to the state legislature. Pence recently remarked, Trump is wrong. You didn't cite anything. But you're objecting anyway. Please find something that declares that the VP is the "ultimate arbiter", and let me see it for myself.

2. You wrote that "Its hard to see why the Trump admin couldn't investigate alleged electoral fraud."
If there had been fraud it would be easy to investigate. If there had been fraud, Rosen would have gotten started. Rosen said 'No' to trump because he wasn't aware of any fraud sufficient to open an investigation. Niether was Krebs, Wray, Barr, Pak, and many others.

3. First addressed on post # 71 . There was no appreciable fraud in 2020. Trump was warned by many figures, Barr, Wray, Krebs, Pak, Raffensberger, and yet the White House continued repeating the BIG LIE. These lies led to J6 and the riot, and the constitutional manipulation that was attempted. All of this is important because it reveals how much trump was willing to do in order to cheat the constitution. That relates to the committee finding of criminal intent.

4. In both AZ and currently in GA, individuals are calling for criminal charges concerning voter or election fraud. The responsible authorities don't have enough evidence to get a conviction and the efforts are apparently stalled. Tell me when they file charges.

The select committee will release all documents, testimony and other information in their possession after the final report is made. That is transparency. The select committee has the receipts. Trump lied. Trump lost.

1. Oh, it doesn't. The Constitution and ECA says the VP counts the votes, and Eastman is suggesting the VP can NOT count certain votes, or count in a manner he or she chooses.

2. Yes-- there wasn't suffient evidence of fraud that would have changed the result of the election. Hence, the pushback against Trump within the admin.

3. Trump has no legal obligation to listen to, and/or accept the advice of the AG et. al.

4. Yes-- that is correct there is not sufficient evidence.

This thread has developed into claims of alleged Trump's criminal activities with respect to claims of his claims of electoral fraud.
Nothing has been cited to indicate it exists.

 

[mike2810]

It is never "past time" to administer justice and especially never past time to make sure criminal action never happens again.

agree. The actions by the former Administration and supporters regarding the 2020 election should never happen again.

Interesting how you avoid specifics on naming those who should be brought to justice.

(LetsGoTrump).

 

[Mycroft]

agree. The actions by the former Administration and supporters regarding the 2020 election should never happen again.

Interesting how you avoid specifics on naming those who should be brought to justice.

(LetsGoTrump).

The former administration and its supporters wanted to administer justice and make sure criminal action never happens again.

And you think that shouldn't happen?