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Jan. 6 Committee Subpoenas Six Lawyers Allegedly Tied To Trump’s Push To Overturn Election

Yes, irregularities occur in every election. They should always be investigated. This one was worse than most due to changes reacting to the pandemic. There were a lot of reasons to look at how the election was conducted, and make fixes / improvements. Many incidents where election transparency was violated. All dismissed by shouts of "there was no fraud".
Your opinion is moot because it has been proven time and time again that not enough fraud took place to overturn the election results. It's like complaining about an accident that caused no damage or injuries. It's pointless, just like your continued moronic contentions.
 
Which includes any and all wrong doing associated with the Jan6th insurrection and those involved. It's funny how all y'all MAGA'ites have convinced yourselves that the committee doesn't have the authority to add Donald's wrongdoing to their investigation. All I can assume is y'all are merely parroting nonsense some moron on OAN or FOX said.
"y'all MAGA'ites"? Who are you talking to? And giving that statement, you are complaining about other people 'parroting'?

The committee wasn't formed (at least, it's stated purpose) to look for election issues.
 
Your opinion is moot because it has been proven time and time again that not enough fraud took place to overturn the election results. It's like complaining about an accident that caused no damage or injuries. It's pointless, just like your continued moronic contentions.
And that's how the left keeps trying to reframe the issue. It's not ALL about the final outcome, or even this specific election. The ability to have confidence in the electoral process is very important.

That's a horrible analogy, given that police investigate non-injury accidents all the time.
 
. The ability to have confidence in the electoral process is very important.
Donald should of thought about that before he brainwashed his pathetic minions into believing his loss was fraudulent. It's on Donald to prove fraud, not us to disprove his claims. He has failed to do so. Yet, for some reason outside of the realm of reality, y'all still believe his unsubstantiated accusations.

That's a horrible analogy, given that police investigate non-injury accidents all the time.
I said no damage or injuries. What a feeble attempt at proving your infantile point through misrepresentation.
 
"y'all MAGA'ites"? Who are you talking to? And giving that statement, you are complaining about other people 'parroting'?
Wow.... You don't even know who I'm talking to.

The committee wasn't formed (at least, it's stated purpose) to look for election issues.
The committee was formed to look into wrongdoing associated with the Jan6th insurrection. That includes what caused the insurrection. It's just one moronic contention after another with you.
 
The committee wasn't formed (at least, it's stated purpose) to look for election issues.
And to be clear, they aren't investigating election issues. They're investigating how a lie by a former president caused the insurrection.
 
Donald should of thought about that before he brainwashed his pathetic minions into believing his loss was fraudulent. It's on Donald to prove fraud, not us to disprove his claims. He has failed to do so. Yet, for some reason outside of the realm of reality, y'all still believe his unsubstantiated accusations.
And you were just complaining about people parroting talking points. Again, it's not all about Trump.

I said no damage or injuries. What a feeble attempt at proving your infantile point through misrepresentation.

It was a feeble attempt at an analogy.
 
And you were just complaining about people parroting talking points. Again, it's not all about Trump.



It was a feeble attempt at an analogy.
You keep parroting the same tired alt-right MSM nonsense. Good for you... Bad for America.
 
come on. you know the cult is sweating bullets now that a ton of people like layers are gonna have to save themselves.
 
And still...they have nothing.

But that's okay. They only want a narrative their propaganda machine can spin. That's why it's called a dog and pony show.
Wow, you really have your head buried in the sand. The committee just told a California court in a pleading that they have evidence that the POTUS may have committee Conspiracy to Defraud the United States of America and then proceeded to tell that court much of the case they have against Trump and Eastman. From page 43 the document cited below:

".....B. Conspiracy to Defraud the United States..."

".....The Select Committee also has a good-faith basis for concluding that the President and members of his Campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371...."

and on the next page ".... The evidence supports an inference that President Trump, Plaintiff, and several others entered into an agreement to defraud the United States by interfering with the election certification process, disseminating false information about election fraud, and pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort. ...."


If you think that is "nothing" than on this issue anyway, you are one ignorant sob. Don't take my word for it. Read the pleading (realizing they file such things under penalty of law, including the prospect of being disbarred ... just ask some of Trump's attorneys about the consequences of lying to a court).
Yeah, "they got nothing" ... sorry pal, yours is a very ignorant post. You can argue they don't have enough, but they have far, far more than "nothing"... Wake up pal, your country is under assault.
 
Wow, you really have your head buried in the sand. The committee just told a California court in a pleading that they have evidence that the POTUS may have committee Conspiracy to Defraud the United States of America and then proceeded to tell that court much of the case they have against Trump and Eastman. From page 43 the document cited below:

".....B. Conspiracy to Defraud the United States..."

".....The Select Committee also has a good-faith basis for concluding that the President and members of his Campaign engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud the United States in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371...."

and on the next page ".... The evidence supports an inference that President Trump, Plaintiff, and several others entered into an agreement to defraud the United States by interfering with the election certification process, disseminating false information about election fraud, and pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort. ...."


If you think that is "nothing" than on this issue anyway, you are one ignorant sob. Don't take my word for it. Read the pleading (realizing they file such things under penalty of law, including the prospect of being disbarred ... just ask some of Trump's attorneys about the consequences of lying to a court).
Yeah, "they got nothing" ... sorry pal, yours is a very ignorant post. You can argue they don't have enough, but they have far, far more than "nothing"... Wake up pal, your country is under assault.
They are making claims. That's all. And their claims are nonsense.

1. There was no "agreement to defraud the United States".

2. There was no intention of "interfering with the election certification process".

3. There was no "disseminating false information about election fraud".

4. There was no "pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".

Everything that was done was legal, based on evidence and intended to combat the election fraud of the 2020 election, restore valid election results and reestablish voter confidence in our country's election system.

The fact remains...if the dog and pony show has all this evidence, they should be turning it over to the DOJ for criminal action. They won't do that because they know the DOJ AG won't do ANYTHING based on their nonsense contentions.

Again...the dog and pony show is only interested in their nonsense narrative and how it'll affect the 2022 election and that's why they keep trying to get stuff from every tom, dick and mary they can think of.
 
They’ve got a lot, which is obvious, as is Trump’s criminality.

We already have the Eastman memo, which outlined the conspiracy, and the public admissions of Eastman, Navarro (who fingered your hero as the leader of the plot).

They know who the plotters were, where they were, who they talked to, and increasingly what was said.

This was a plot to overthrow the US Government and install a wannbe dictator who could not win an election.

You can call it whatever you want. But you’re bankrupt on this subject.

This isn‘t a “dog and pony show”. Spinning is not necessary.

The guilty parties are practically advertising their duplicity in a blizzard of dubious attempts to claim privilege. Not one of them has had any success at all.

The rule of law will prevail.

Trumpism is a disgrace to our country. And the wannabe king just endorsed the Russian invasion of Ukraine, just to put a cherry on top.

jesus, brutal take down of the "mycroft" character

Fine work, Tom (y) 🇺🇸
 
They are making claims. That's all. And their claims are nonsense.

1. There was no "agreement to defraud the United States".

2. There was no intention of "interfering with the election certification process".

3. There was no "disseminating false information about election fraud".

4. There was no "pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".

There was no ____ ? Yes there was.

1. Agreement to defraud the US
If the Constitution is the law of the land, violating the Constitution is unlawful. Trump sent a tweet out: 8:17 a.m. @realDonaldTrump
“States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!”

Trump was warned that the neither the 12th A , nor the Federal election code have any reference to the VP either sending a delegation back to the state legislature or that the VP has authority to reject a slate by himself. Or herself.
The other aspect of the agreement to defraud the US was that their fundraising was tied to their claims of fraud and they took in a mountain of $.

2. Intention of "interfering with the election certification process"
The process trump and John Eastman were trying to use was invented. It's not in the Constitution. Trump wanted the DOJ, DHS and the pentagon to get invoved in supporting his plan.
  • November 7, 2020 - Trump fires Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. He is replaced by Christopher Miller.
  • Nov 12 and 13 - Trump removes senior Defense Department Officials and replaces them with appointments to ‘acting’ roles.
  • Dec 15 - Rosen meets with Trump at the White House. According to Rosen’s public testimony to the Senate, Trump wanted him to appoint a special counsel to investigate fraud and to take further action in states like GA, MI, and PA. Rosen declined to agree.
  • Dec 28 - Jeffrey Clarke sends a draft letter to DOJ leadership urging that the Governors and Legislatures should hold emergency sessions and recall their Electoral College slates. None of them called a session to recind the slates they chose on Dec. 14 .
  • Jan 4 - U.S. Attorney Jay Pak resigns after he refuses to comply with White House demands.
3. "Disseminating false information about election fraud"
The mountains of evidence have been soundly refuted, repeatedly. Marc Elias & others had the same strategy for 60 court cases. Show the internet version (usualy YT ) right next to the actual footage on identical screens and it's obvious what part was deleted. In a few cases the effect was done with looping a section of the original . Virtually all of those were either computer animated deep fake videos, or edited by cutting parts out , and when shown in a real court of law side by side , the real and original video was obvious and the fake on YT was plainly counterfeit. Eventually, their legal options had exhausted before January 2021. There were speculative math theories, there were conspiracy theories, but nothing was accepted as evidence when every bit of it was being debunked in front of a judge. If the plaintiff runs out of 'evidence' , there is nothing to argue in court. That means all those claims to a mountain of evidence were never proven. That's spreading false information, or "Disseminating false information about election fraud" .

4. "Pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".
January 2, 2020


We have the tape. “You know what they did and you’re not reporting it,” the president said during the call. “You know, that’s a criminal — that’s a criminal offense. And you know, you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That’s a big risk.”

“So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”…“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”

The Select Committee is bound by law to release all materials to the public after their final report. That's transparency. They know that now, and they have the receipts,
 
There was no ____ ? Yes there was.

1. Agreement to defraud the US
If the Constitution is the law of the land, violating the Constitution is unlawful. Trump sent a tweet out: 8:17 a.m. @realDonaldTrump
States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval.
Sounds like a good reason to dial back the rush to certify. But, of course, we couldn't have anything interfere with the certification of election fraud.

2. Intention of "interfering with the election certification process"
All Trump wanted was a DOJ official who would investigate election fraud and bring the criminals to justice. And YOU call that "interfering".

God help us if we "interfere" with criminal acitons.

3. "Disseminating false information about election fraud"
There were mountains of evidence BEFORE Pence and Congress did their thing. It was ALL ignored. Mountains more have come out since...even last week, information about criminal actions in Wisconsin's election. Again...ignored.

So no...the only "false information" being disseminated is by those who deny there is any evidence of election fraud.

4. "Pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".
So...a President asking a state official to do his damned job is "pressuring"? LOL!! btw, that state official has since come out and said there was NO pressuring by Trump.

Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again.

The Select Committee is bound by law to release all materials to the public after their final report. That's transparency. They know that now, and they have the receipts,
But that doesn't stop them from releasing tidbits to their media propaganda arm whenever they need to give their narrative a shot in the arm.

Question: Why don't they release everything they have right now? Release it when they get it?

Answer: Because they have to pick and choose what to release...that which supports their narrative best.

You won't hear about ANYTHING that disputes their narrative. They simply won't tell you about it.

I snipped some of your nonsense because of the 5000 character limit.
 
They are making claims. That's all. And their claims are nonsense.

1. There was no "agreement to defraud the United States".

2. There was no intention of "interfering with the election certification process".

3. There was no "disseminating false information about election fraud".

4. There was no "pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".

Everything that was done was legal, based on evidence and intended to combat the election fraud of the 2020 election, restore valid election results and reestablish voter confidence in our country's election system.

The fact remains...if the dog and pony show has all this evidence, they should be turning it over to the DOJ for criminal action. They won't do that because they know the DOJ AG won't do ANYTHING based on their nonsense contentions.

Again...the dog and pony show is only interested in their nonsense narrative and how it'll affect the 2022 election and that's why they keep trying to get stuff from every tom, dick and mary they can think of.
Their claims are cross-referenced to the evidence. Each of the four items you asserted above actually happened, with NONE of it being legal. READ the TRANSCRIPT! (er, pleading)

Again, you stated that they "have nothing".... that is factually incorrect. They have a lot. You can make an intelligent argument that they do not have enough for a conviction, but you can not make an intelligent argument that they have nothing. They do. You are living in ignorance.
 
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Each of the four items was asserted to have happened.
And that's all they have...assertion. And their assertions are based on spin and nonsense...as I pointed out.
 
Sounds like a good reason to dial back the rush to certify. But, of course, we couldn't have anything interfere with the certification of election fraud.


All Trump wanted was a DOJ official who would investigate election fraud and bring the criminals to justice. And YOU call that "interfering".

God help us if we "interfere" with criminal acitons.


There were mountains of evidence BEFORE Pence and Congress did their thing. It was ALL ignored. Mountains more have come out since...even last week, information about criminal actions in Wisconsin's election. Again...ignored.

So no...the only "false information" being disseminated is by those who deny there is any evidence of election fraud.


So...a President asking a state official to do his damned job is "pressuring"? LOL!! btw, that state official has since come out and said there was NO pressuring by Trump.

Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again.


But that doesn't stop them from releasing tidbits to their media propaganda arm whenever they need to give their narrative a shot in the arm.

Question: Why don't they release everything they have right now? Release it when they get it?

Answer: Because they have to pick and choose what to release...that which supports their narrative best.

You won't hear about ANYTHING that disputes their narrative. They simply won't tell you about it.

I snipped some of your nonsense because of the 5000 character limit.
Somewhere deep down in that MAGA entrenched abyse you must know that if Donald had any evidence that was viable enough to be admissable in a court of law, he would use it. That's your best indication that he has nothing.
 
1. Agreement to defraud the US
If the Constitution is the law of the land, violating the Constitution is unlawful. Trump sent a tweet out: 8:17 a.m. @realDonaldTrump

Your answer in post # 66 -
"Sounds like a good reason to dial back the rush to certify. But, of course, we couldn't have anything interfere with the certification of election fraud.“States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval."

If that tweet is realistic, and if the proof of fraud is so great, why are we left with the fact that no state legislature rescinded the slate they chose on Decmeber 14th, 2020 ? This is especially salient when knowing that the Michigan legislators visited the White House in the third week of November 2020. Shall we create a new conspiracy theory that the republican state legilatures were in collusion with Barr in hiding 'evidence' because they were RINOs? That's unsupported by fact. The truth is that they did not convene as a special session, even if trump said they should at the time and later in that tweet. . The Michigan legislature is an excellent example. They visited the white house and saw videos, heard his sales pitch, and left the WH with doubts. The Michigan legislature was not fooled by trump's masquerade of 'fraud' accusations when visiting the WH in Nov. 2020.

November 19, 2020 - "The reported visit comes as Trump and his supporters find little legal relief in their ongoing attempts to show, without evidence or proof, that Michigan's election results are illegitimate. Asked at a Thursday news conference about the reported White House visit, Whitmer implored people to put country over party and "not play games with this fundamental part of our democracy." At the end of the process, "we will be sending a slate of electors that reflect the will of the people of Michigan," she said at the news conference, which was called to address the continuing Michigan COVID-19 crisis."

Please note that in November, they still had more than 3 weeks before to change their minds about the matter before the December 14th certification, and a month to change their EC slate before January 6th. But they did not change the slates. Please explain why, using facts about true events.

Please direct your comments and answers to the actual facts that no slate legislature reconvened to changed their slate. Especially , please account for why MI legislators were not tricked by trumps white house presentation in Nov. 2020.
@Mycroft
1/4 tbc
 
3. "Disseminating false information about election fraud"
You repied : "There were mountains of evidence BEFORE Pence and Congress did their thing. It was ALL ignored. Mountains more have come out since...even last week, information about criminal actions in Wisconsin's election. Again...ignored.
So no...the only "false information" being disseminated is by those who deny there is any evidence of election fraud."


Please account for why the 'evidence' was not acceptable in any court of law. Wishes, desires, hopes, dreams, imagination, conspiray theories, and other other opinions do not constitute fact. I am talking about judges at several levels, many of whom were appointed by trump himself.

Any 'evidence ' of fraud that has come out since January 6th has not been brought to court. Please explain why it has not been brought to court. I explained why it has not been brought to court in post #65, that is, it was not true or verifiable. In a pre-trial hearing, evidence may be presented so that both sides see what is to be discussed. If it's bogus, that's when they find out. Real courtrooms, real judges were able to put the claims under a microscope in bright light and look what happened. The 'evidence' was bunk.

Please explain what 'evidence' was ignored at any time and which courts you refer to.
@Mycroft
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4. "Pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".
You replied : So...a President asking a state official to do his damned job is "pressuring"? LOL!! btw, that state official has since come out and said there was NO pressuring by Trump.
Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again. "

That IS his job . Without actual evidence of fraud a state official is doing his job by by confronting the president that the claim was unvierfied and not supported by reality. Raffensberger repeated several times, when speaking with trump, that the president was misinformed. That's to say, if he had evidence he would have agreed with trump. There was no evidence and that is why Raffensberger contradicted the president several times. Part of Raffenspberger's job is to simply tell the truth. Again, shall we start a new conspiracy theory that Raffensberger, the state legistlatures of MI, GA, PA, William Barr, Wray and Krebs, Pak and trump appointed federal judges were all colluding to hide fraud because they're all RINOs?

I noticed that you also posted how Raffensberger had changed his story in order to get re-elected. That partisan and political motive does not change the reality of what he said in earnest to the president during the call on January 2, 2020. All they all RINOs? Or is it that trump is simply lying about fraud?
@Mycroft
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You replied : So...a President asking a state official to do his damned job is "pressuring"? LOL!! btw, that state official has since come out and said there was NO pressuring by Trump.
Of course, he HAS to say this because he's up for reelection and the GA voter will run him out of his office if he doesn't manage to fool them...again. "

That IS his job . Without actual evidence of fraud a state official is doing his job by by confronting the president that the claim was unvierfied and not supported by reality. Raffensberger repeated several times, when speaking with trump, that the president was misinformed. That's to say, if he had evidence he would have agreed with trump. There was no evidence and that is why Raffensberger contradicted the president several times. Part of Raffenspberger's job is to simply tell the truth. Again, shall we start a new conspiracy theory that Raffensberger, the state legistlatures of MI, GA, PA, William Barr, Wray and Krebs, Pak and trump appointed federal judges were all colluding to hide fraud because they're all RINOs?

I noticed that you also posted how Raffensberger had changed his story in order to get re-elected. That partisan and political motive does not change the reality of what he said in earnest to the president during the call on January 2, 2020. All they all RINOs? Or is it that trump is simply lying about fraud?
@Mycroft
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We now know that GA had a BIG problem with stuffing the ballot boxes. We suspected this back before Raffensperger and Trump had that phone conversation.

Too bad Raffensperger didn't DO HIS DAMNED JOB back then.

But he didn't. He didn't look into that issue, nor the other issues that have come to light. If he had DONE HIS DAMNED JOB, GA's fraudulent vote count would not have been certified.

All Trump wanted Raffensperger to do was HIS DAMNED JOB!!
 
4. "Pressuring state officials to alter state election results and federal officials to assist in that effort".

The Select Committee is bound by law to release all materials to the public after their final report. That's transparency. They know that now, and they have the receipts,
You replied : "But that doesn't stop them from releasing tidbits to their media propaganda arm whenever they need to give their narrative a shot in the arm.
Question: Why don't they release everything they have right now? Release it when they get it?
Answer: Because they have to pick and choose what to release...that which supports their narrative best.
You won't hear about ANYTHING that disputes their narrative. They simply won't tell you about it."

If an investigation is underway, there may be the need to corroborate testimony from different witnesses. If all information is public at this stage, it wil be impossible to distinghish first hand eyewitness testimony from a witness who simply read it in the newspaper. This is common practice. This argument that they are creating a narrative is negated b the fact that the evidence will be in plain view after the final committee report.

If you were on the select committee, and you wanted to lie about what was discovered, wouldn't it bug you that your lie would be obviously and openly revealed about a year from now? Wouldn't it be wiser to speak with the fact in mind that the public will find out before long? How about telling the truth now? That is transparency, both today about matters that can be discussed, and most fully when the final report is made.

This accusation that they are purposefully crafting the narrative is interesting, but biased and unsubstatiated. If there is a preponderance of condenming information about trump it is because he habitually ignored the law in the belief that he is above it .

@Mycroft
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We now know that GA had a BIG problem with stuffing the ballot boxes. We suspected this back before Raffensperger and Trump had that phone conversation.

Too bad Raffensperger didn't DO HIS DAMNED JOB back then.

But he didn't. He didn't look into that issue, nor the other issues that have come to light. If he had DONE HIS DAMNED JOB, GA's fraudulent vote count would not have been certified.

All Trump wanted Raffensperger to do was HIS DAMNED JOB!!
You say "we" know. You mean " I think"
It was his job to tell the truth and he did.

Go ahead, cite the evidence. I will match it to the court case where it was debunked.
 
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