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Jack Bauer (24)

Jack Bauer: Ultimate Patriot or Ultimate Terrorist?


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obviously this only pertains to people who watch the hit show
but i have wanted to gauge the opinions of those who do watch, albeit skewed because you would not watch it, if you were a fan
but some of the methods used by him are, I would imagine, considered questionable at the least

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Superman wears Jack Bauer underoos.
 
It should've been Jack Bauer...great patriot, or Greatest Patriot
 
While I shalt not question the divinity of Jack Bauer, I will admit that he does piss on the Geneva convention. But isnt that why we like him? The whole "he doesn't play be the rules" persona is supposed to satisfy those who wish to keep policy consistent, but break it when necessary and deal with the consequences like a man.

For example, I don't want an American soldier to ever be given an order to torture, however in the "ticking time-bomb" scenario I would hope that he would wager the consequences of his actions against the likelihood that he is wrong, and take his licks personally if he is. No pro-military "our troops are beyond reproach" about it.
 
'24' was created by fox to have some guy (bauer) shoot up some terrorists and get the american public pumped up about the war on terror and have people agree w/ the prez about doing whatever we can to stop the terrorists.
 
....He's a movie character. When he tortures terrorists they always know the information he wants and they never lie. His enemies never hit him. It would be like asking if crappy teen movies give good dating advice.
 
'24' was created by fox to have some guy (bauer) shoot up some terrorists and get the american public pumped up about the war on terror and have people agree w/ the prez about doing whatever we can to stop the terrorists.

Wow...

24 was created by a person independent of fox, pitched it, and fox took it. I'd say it was probably created to entertain people and make money then to "convince america to go along with the prez". Its amazing the conspiracies some people come up with. Any proof as to why it was created just to shoot terrorists and pump up the american people for the war on terror besides the fact that you don't like what goes on in the show?
 
I've been a fan since season one and I still sit on the edge of my seat as the plot twists and turns. Did you see Monday's? Fantastic! I will be the first to admit however that Jack's seeming invulnerability has taken something from the show. Perhaps rather than keeping a lid on plot details if they kept the status of Sutherland's contract out of the public sphere it might return a semblence of mortality to the character.

As for Jack the government operative, I think that he is an idealised interpretation of an American defender. He has more in common with say, Captain America than any living person. He uses methods that, while academicaly questionable, are in practice efficiencies that allow him to achieve his goals. Interestingly, that phrase is the sort of thing the terrorists he fights would say that they are doing. They cannot, for example, keep the US out of their country through conventional warfare and so they use methods that while questionable, allow them to achieve their goals. As such the differences have to be found not in the actions but in the motivations. Jack is not a terrorist as his goal is not the destruction of a society or state through terrorism. He is a defender of the society from enemies who are seeking to destroy it via terrorism. Indeed, there have been occasions in the past when the fictional US administration was rushing into reprisal attacks on the Middle East and Jack again did his utmost to prevent that, knowing the course was incorrect. He thus did not believe for example, in season three (I think) that the people of the Middle East deserved death under American assault in response to the attack on the US. Whereas the terrorists almost uniformly feel that, regardless of individual culpability, Americans deserve to die in the name of their cause.
:twocents:
 
It's a good fantasy show for people who want to believe it. My once earlier favorite movie Red Dawn depicted Communist forces invading America with patriot americans fighting back--at the time I wanted it to happen to fulfill my fantasy and need for something to justify trigger pulling; me and my brothers would play war in the woods depicting these forces of commie vs. patriot--nothing new.
 
'24' was created by fox to have some guy (bauer) shoot up some terrorists and get the american public pumped up about the war on terror and have people agree w/ the prez about doing whatever we can to stop the terrorists.
Yes -- and that's [authoritative voice]bad[/authoritative voice], because networks and producers NEVER create shows to push certain ideas into the minds of the American People.

:roll:
 
Wow...

24 was created by a person independent of fox, pitched it, and fox took it. I'd say it was probably created to entertain people and make money then to "convince america to go along with the prez". Its amazing the conspiracies some people come up with. Any proof as to why it was created just to shoot terrorists and pump up the american people for the war on terror besides the fact that you don't like what goes on in the show?

i don't really think it's a conspiracy. they have some of the episodes where bauer is supposed to defeat the ME bad guys. sound familiar? imo, they made some of the episodes because that is what the fox people want to happen in iraq. bauer would be bush and he would be the hero
 
bauer would be bush and he would be the hero
Jack (we're on a first name basis since I wore his underroos) is NOT a "Bush" character (no pun intended)--he is totally a Christ figure.
 
You're claiming him as one of your own? At least he's fictional, unlike when Doughgirl tried to claim that Einstein believed in a personal god.

Has Jack ever professed any religious faith, or are you saying that his character is exemplary of Christ?
 
You're claiming him as one of your own? At least he's fictional, unlike when Doughgirl tried to claim that Einstein believed in a personal god.

Has Jack ever professed any religious faith, or are you saying that his character is exemplary of Christ?

Kiefer Sutherland

This says he plays for my team....at least his actor does...(though dropping out of Catholic school isn't a very convincing resume;) )

...but I was saying the character is a Christ-like figure. He suffers and does what is the right thing for the good of others even when those others are against him and no matter the personal cost--even onto humiliation and death.

Now before you go off on some half-cocked Church of Jack Bauer nonsense--duh..he's a character...a freaking HOT character...but I am indeed well grounded in reality even though I may harbor a vivid imagination.:mrgreen:
 
...but I was saying the character is a Christ-like figure. He suffers and does what is the right thing for the good of others even when those others are against him and no matter the personal cost--even onto humiliation and death.

The bold part is where I might hafta disagree. Love for his enemies is just something I haven't seen, for example the season 1 finale on the docks when he had Dresden cornered. He could have waited a minute for CTU to apprehend him legally, but that SOB killed his daughter (so he thought.)

Jack plugged em.
 
The bold part is where I might hafta disagree. Love for his enemies is just something I haven't seen, for example the season 1 finale on the docks when he had Dresden cornered. He could have waited a minute for CTU to apprehend him legally, but that SOB killed his daughter (so he thought.)

Jack plugged em.
Yeah...well...I can overlook that imperfection...afterall--he's only human....and did I mention he's freakin' HOT???:rofl
 
I love the show, but I just can't get over the show depicting Muslims as these horrible terrorists and traitors is being aired by FOX....
 
I love the show, but I just can't get over the show depicting Muslims as these horrible terrorists and traitors is being aired by FOX....
Maybe it's because Jack Bauer is a FOX (yous guys gettin' sick of this yet?:mrgreen: )
 
Never heard of him.
Seldom watch network TV as it is too polluted with excessive commercials and general crap.
 
Ever since Kiefer Sutherland was mugged in his own driveway I just cant take him seriously as some tough s.o.b. ;)
 
I've been a fan since season one and I still sit on the edge of my seat as the plot twists and turns. Did you see Monday's? Fantastic! I will be the first to admit however that Jack's seeming invulnerability has taken something from the show. Perhaps rather than keeping a lid on plot details if they kept the status of Sutherland's contract out of the public sphere it might return a semblence of mortality to the character.

As for Jack the government operative, I think that he is an idealised interpretation of an American defender. He has more in common with say, Captain America than any living person. He uses methods that, while academicaly questionable, are in practice efficiencies that allow him to achieve his goals. Interestingly, that phrase is the sort of thing the terrorists he fights would say that they are doing. They cannot, for example, keep the US out of their country through conventional warfare and so they use methods that while questionable, allow them to achieve their goals. As such the differences have to be found not in the actions but in the motivations. Jack is not a terrorist as his goal is not the destruction of a society or state through terrorism. He is a defender of the society from enemies who are seeking to destroy it via terrorism. Indeed, there have been occasions in the past when the fictional US administration was rushing into reprisal attacks on the Middle East and Jack again did his utmost to prevent that, knowing the course was incorrect. He thus did not believe for example, in season three (I think) that the people of the Middle East deserved death under American assault in response to the attack on the US. Whereas the terrorists almost uniformly feel that, regardless of individual culpability, Americans deserve to die in the name of their cause.
:twocents:
The show is great. but what we love about IS Jack's immortality.

That's what we like about Superman and the Hulk and Rooster Cogburn and Dirty Harry and Beowulf. The Superhero has always been the favorite story of any decent society.

We have always loved the story of a superhero risking his life to save helpless people from the deadly grips of a supervillian.
 
Never heard of him.
Seldom watch network TV as it is too polluted with excessive commercials and general crap.
I wait for them to come out on DVD--That's how I've watched every season. But I must admit to watching the season openers this year.
 
i don't really think it's a conspiracy. they have some of the episodes where bauer is supposed to defeat the ME bad guys. sound familiar? imo, they made some of the episodes because that is what the fox people want to happen in iraq. bauer would be bush and he would be the hero

You're kidding me right? The show was started before Iraq happened. Every season hasn't been "ME bad guys". Bauer is a government agent, not a president, and shares no real strong similarities with Bush save for the fact that extreme leftists for some reason like to make wide ranging conspiracy theories about him
 
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