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It's time to IMPEACH Bush!

kal-el said:
You mighty righties sure sound like broken records, get a new tune. You're always quick to blame "lefties" over this mess your President made, your President lied to go to war (which is a betrayal moraly), and your politicians sit by while they allow torture and imprisonment without trial in countries that never did nor do not pose a threat to the US.
That is not patriotism, thats a cold fact, its you right wing extremeist wingnuts who have ****ed up the nation so now you have to go.



It really dosen't matter what the Dems said, they're not the damn President, therefore, not accountable for this bloody mess. The truth is, either the Democrats would fall in line behind the President on this, or be tarred by Republicans as Saddam lover's, or traitor's. Actually, the more the country talked about Iraq,meant the less we talked about the lousy economy, or corporate scandals, or Bush's unpopular social, environmental, and of course, fiscal policies.

You have to stop freebasing the kryptonite buddy.

You don't know that SH was never going to be a threat to the USA-that he was paying suicide bombers' families and harboring other terrorists strongly suggests he was going to be a problem. The country really isn't in a big mess based on anything Bush did-the recession and 9-11 can't be blamed on him nor can Katrina. Corporate scandals are now being prosecuted while they brewed and festered under Klintoon

You keep spewing out the moonbat koolaid that Bush lied but you can't prove it. I doubt you even understand the concept and you dodged the fact that your overlords all made the same claims circa 98-99
 
It really dosen't matter what the Dems said, they're not the damn President, therefore, not accountable for this bloody mess.

That sounds suspiciously like "don't do as I do, do as I say do". Or, to put it another way, it was okay in 98 and 99 when everybody, Dems included, thought regime change in Iraq was the best thing since sliced bread and were all for it, but regime change in Iraq was horse poop as soon as Dems thought there was no more political mileage to be gained from it. Lets look at who supported intervention and ask why does it now seem that no more than six or seven people ever supported going to war in Iraq. Remember, we're focusing on what law makers, MSM, or people in positions of influence knew or thought they knew at the time.

Support for removing Saddam Hussein was pretty widespread from the late 1990s through the spring of 2003, among Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, as well as neoconservatives. According to the Washington Post, most formed their impressions on the basis of what were considered two fairly reliable sources: the U.N. weapons inspectors, led first by Rolf Ekeus and then by Richard Butler; and senior Clinton administration officials, especially Pres. Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, William Cohen and Al Gore. Of particular note was the book that Mr. Butler published in 2000, “The Greatest Threat: Iraq, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and the Growing Crisis of Global Security,” in which the chief U.N. inspector, after years of chasing around Iraq, wrote with utter certainty that Hussein had weapons and was engaged in a massive effort to conceal them from the world. “This is Saddam Hussein’s regime,” Mr. Butler wrote: “cruel, lying, intimidating, and determined to retain weapons of mass destruction.”

In 1997, Hussein blocked U.N. inspectors’ access to a huge number of suspect sites (why did he do that if he had nothing to hide?). The Clinton administration responded by launching a campaign to prepare the nation for war. Madeleine Albright compared Hussein to Hitler and warned that if not stopped, “he could become the salesman for weapons of mass destruction.” William Cohen appeared on tv with a five-pound bag of sugar and explained that that amount of anthrax “would destroy at least half the population” of Washington, DC. In September 2002, Vice President Gore gave a speech insisting that Hussein “has stored away secret supplies of biological weapons and chemical weapons throughout his country.”

In his second term, Mr. Clinton and his top advisers concluded that Hussein’s continued rule was dangerous, if not intolerable. Ms. Albright called explicitly for his ouster as a precondition for lifting sanctions.

In about January 1999, the U.S. Senate passed a resolution, co-sponsored by Joseph Lieberman and John McCain, providing $100 million for the forcible overthrow of Hussein. It passed with 98 votes.

On March 11, 2003 a column in the Washington Post by Richard Cohen first admonished the Bush administration for oscillating between regime change to disarmament to bringing democracy to the Arab world. He accused the Bush administration of a “tour de force of inept diplomacy.’ But he then proceeded to acknowledge that it was necessary to go to war anyway. “Sometimes peace is no better, especially if all it does is postpone a worse war,” and that “is what would happen if the United States now pulled back…Hussein would wait us out…If, at the moment, he does not have nuclear weapons, It’s not for lack of trying. He had such a program once and he will have one again – just as soon as the world loses interest and the pressure on him is relaxed.” In the meantime, Mr. Cohen wrote, Hussein would “stay in power – a thug in control of a crucial Middle Eastern nation…He will continue to oppress and murder his own people…and resume support of terrorism abroad. He is who he is. He deserves no second chance.”

As Robert Kagan observed in the Washington Post, “If you read even respectable journals these days, you would think that no more than six or seven people ever supported going to war in Iraq.” Kagan refers the fair-weather interventionists to a line from Thucydides, which Pericles delivered to the Athenians in the difficult second year of the three-decade war with Sparta. “I am the same man and do not alter, it is you who change, since in fact you took my advice while unhurt, and waited for misfortune to repent of it.”

Sources: Washington Post and Wall St Journal, 9/16/2005
 
SixStringHero said:
The lousy economy you speak of was an inherent ed recession from the previous administration. This is a well known fact. Take into account 9/11 and that didn't really help out the already ailing economy now did it?

Also, outsourcing was in decline 3 years prior to Bush taking office.

http://www.factcheck.org/article234.html

Ahh yes, the Clinton recession. Right. Dude, in Bush's 2 years in office, the economy lost 3 million jobs, after Clinton was credited with creating over a million in 2000 alone. Also, in that same time, unemployment went up to 6 percent, and more Americans were out of work at the end of 2002, a 20 year high.

http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/economy/

Originally posted by TurtleDude
You don't know that SH was never going to be a threat to the USA-that he was paying suicide bombers' families and harboring other terrorists strongly suggests he was going to be a problem. The country really isn't in a big mess based on anything Bush did-the recession and 9-11 can't be blamed on him nor can Katrina. Corporate scandals are now being prosecuted while they brewed and festered under Klintoon

I'm not blaming natural disasters on Bush.Corporate scandals under Clinton?Man, Rush did a number on you alright. What about the collapse of Bush's biggest backer Enron- scandals like phoney accounting, fradulent stock purchases,insider tax evasion, and looting of company funds by your boy Cheney. Saddam was no threat at all to us or his neighbors. Dude, he had been kept in his place since the first Gulf War. He was probably a grave threat in the '80s when we supported him.

You keep spewing out the moonbat koolaid that Bush lied but you can't prove it. I doubt you even understand the concept and you dodged the fact that your overlords all made the same claims circa 98-99

No ****, key Dems and Clinton said basically the same things,but it was W, not Clinton, who waged this Anglo-American war based on false pretences.
 
kal-el said:
I'm not blaming natural disasters on Bush.Corporate scandals under Clinton?Man, Rush did a number on you alright. What about the collapse of Bush's biggest backer Enron- scandals like phoney accounting, fradulent stock purchases,insider tax evasion, and looting of company funds by your boy Cheney. Saddam was no threat at all to us or his neighbors. Dude, he had been kept in his place since the first Gulf War. He was probably a grave threat in the '80s when we supported him.



No ****, key Dems and Clinton said basically the same things,but it was W, not Clinton, who waged this Anglo-American war based on false pretences.

1) clinotn launched a missile attack-he engaged in an act of war but made no effort to actually do the job

2) You can't prove a single act of corporate crime by Cheney and you know it. You just throw out crap hoping it will stick because you have no proof.
 
TurtleDude said:
1) clinotn launched a missile attack-he engaged in an act of war but made no effort to actually do the job

2) You can't prove a single act of corporate crime by Cheney and you know it. You just throw out crap hoping it will stick because you have no proof.

Actually, Dick Cheney (sometimes a name says it all:lol:) is accused of defrauding several investors: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2119981.stm What about other energy companies like EL Paso, Williams, Dynergy, and I'm sure theres others, who have close ties with Bush, were also implicated along with Enron in manipulating prices. Crime rates might be in a decline across America, but evidently they're surging in corporate America.

No ****, Clinton IMO wanted to take the focus off the impeachment hearings, so he bombed Iraq in operation Desert Fox. He said it was retaliation for Saddam kicking out weapons inspectors.
 
kal-el said:
Actually, Dick Cheney (sometimes a name says it all:lol:) is accused of defrauding several investors: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2119981.stm What about other energy companies like EL Paso, Williams, Dynergy, and I'm sure theres others, who have close ties with Bush, were also implicated along with Enron in manipulating prices. Crime rates might be in a decline across America, but evidently they're surging in corporate America.

No ****, Clinton IMO wanted to take the focus off the impeachment hearings, so he bombed Iraq in operation Desert Fox. He said it was retaliation for Saddam kicking out weapons inspectors.

your anti corporate attitude is duly noted but it was the Justice Department under Bush that has indicted and convicted many corporate crooks-crooks that weren't investigated while they were looting and stealing during the Clinton years.

I hate to clue you in on reality-major league corporate barons contribute to BOTH parties. Here in my town we have a couple major players-Chiquita's Carl Lindner Jr-a billionaire christian conservative-still gave Clinton major bucks and Stan Chesley-one of the top class action tort lawyers in the nation-his wife a federal judge courtesy of Clinton-he gave 10K for the Bush II ball in 05.
 
TurtleDude said:
your anti corporate attitude is duly noted but it was the Justice Department under Bush that has indicted and convicted many corporate crooks-crooks that weren't investigated while they were looting and stealing during the Clinton years.

Are you referring to Bush's 10-point plan? Or deregulation? Look, I'm not saying there weren't scandals during Clinton's term, but there is alot more corporate influence during junior's term.

I hate to clue you in on reality-major league corporate barons contribute to BOTH parties. Here in my town we have a couple major players-Chiquita's Carl Lindner Jr-a billionaire christian conservative-still gave Clinton major bucks and Stan Chesley-one of the top class action tort lawyers in the nation-his wife a federal judge courtesy of Clinton-he gave 10K for the Bush II ball in 05.

I agree, both parties have corporate backers. Whether Republican or Democrat, you can't get away from it.
 
I prefer corporate influence over income redistributionist influence-trial lawyers and union goons
 
kal-el said:
Ahh yes, the Clinton recession. Right. Dude, in Bush's 2 years in office, the economy lost 3 million jobs, after Clinton was credited with creating over a million in 2000 alone. Also, in that same time, unemployment went up to 6 percent, and more Americans were out of work at the end of 2002, a 20 year high.

http://www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com/economy/

That's the first two years. Look at Bush's whole term. Quick quiz! How many jobs were lost under President Bush in his first term? (Hint, it's a negative number)

I'm not blaming natural disasters on Bush.Corporate scandals under Clinton?Man, Rush did a number on you alright. What about the collapse of Bush's biggest backer Enron- scandals like phoney accounting, fradulent stock purchases,insider tax evasion, and looting of company funds by your boy Cheney.

Do you realize the hilarity of what you're saying? The actions of Enron went noticed for years under Clinton, only to be exposed by the Bush administration. You could call Bush a corporate crackdown fanatic, in fact....=)
 
OK folks....I knew that by throwing out the UPDATE at 9AM yesterday was a little touch-and-go...We still had a lot of the day left...

But you know what?...I'm feeling a little saucy right now...That's probably just gas...but I'll take my chances...

BTW - I feel I haven't adequately represented the people of the rapping community...This goes out to you...my peeps...much love...

UPDATE...

10-20-05...

Bush is STILL not impeach-izzled
...:2wave:
 
cnredd said:
OK folks....I knew that by throwing out the UPDATE at 9AM yesterday was a little touch-and-go...We still had a lot of the day left...

But you know what?...I'm feeling a little saucy right now...That's probably just gas...but I'll take my chances...

BTW - I feel I haven't adequately represented the people of the rapping community...This goes out to you...my peeps...much love...

UPDATE...

10-20-05...

Bush is STILL not impeach-izzled
...:2wave:

and Rove is still not indicted :mrgreen:

the Downing Street Memo remains Dead :mrgreen:

Congressman Conyers Inquest is still irrelevant :mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
and Rove is still not indicted :mrgreen:

the Downing Street Memo remains Dead :mrgreen:

Congressman Conyers Inquest is still irrelevant :mrgreen:


No solid evidance on Rove, dont get me wrong, if rove did what he did, then nail him. BUT, there is no factual evidance.. Innocent till proven guilty right? Well, your jumping to conclusions!

The downing street memo was worthless.. Hense why even american media did not really cover it. Dont explain some republican scandle consiracy to profess why either..
 
And Mary Jo Kopechne still cant be reached for comment on any of this!
 
oldreliable67 said:
And Mary Jo Kopechne still cant be reached for comment on any of this!
C'mon!

That's just water under the bridge...:doh
 
oldreliable67 said:
And Mary Jo Kopechne still cant be reached for comment on any of this!


My mary lies under the Ocean
My Mary Lies under the Sea
My Mary lies under the dike-bridge
Waiting for her ted kennedy :2wave:
 
To make this an international experience, I've transposed the date to give it more of a European flavor...

UPDATE...

21-10-05...

Bush is STILL not impeached(sacre bleu!)...
:2wave:
 
by Canuck
thanks for posting it again graeat reading
your summary lacks all credit ability



BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry, I just thought that the "credit ability" part was funny.
 
Quid Pro Quo said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry, I just thought that the "credit ability" part was funny.

How ironic is it that conuk talks about credibility when he has none....:rofl
 
Hows this for ballzy?...Not even 12:15AM and I'm already going to update the forum!...;)

UPDATE...

10-21-05...

Bush is STILL not impeached...
:2wave:
 
Looks like this has turned into an UPDATE thread...

Much easier for the members of this forum to get their daily information...:cool:

Maybe some people have come to the conclusion that this thread title is false...But for those who still believe it, may I respectfully point out...

UPDATE...

10-22-05...

Bush is STILL not impeached...
:2wave:
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
10-25-05 1:23AM Bush Still not impeached

Thank God I got backup!...:2wave:

Didn't log back on until after the new day...I'm at work, and expected to be on around 8-8:30PM....But other stuff was happening....
 
Me personally, I am so sick and tired of Bush and Cheny passing all these laws to destroy our freedoms and then lying the American people into the war in Iraq for oil, I would just assume that they were impeached them both from office. When election time rolls around, it's always about choosing the lesser of two evils. It seems, that you really can't find a leader with any sort of real integrity or leadership qualties to vote on in this day and age. If you got a decisive president, you also have a president out to destroy the freedoms we have and to lie the American people into a war for oil. To exploit the 3,000 Americans killed to stir up nationalist sentiment to get the American people behind a war for oil. If you got a president that will not destroy our freedoms or put American troops into harms way for lies, then you got a president that is an appeaser and who is indecisive. Either way, their isn't very many good choices for president. And it's all about who has the most money who can run for office. Somebody could make a great prez, but then doesn't have any money, well he is SOL and so is the rest of America.
 
From 911Blogger.com



There Were No WMD In Iraq, No Ties To Al-Qaeda, And No Ties Between Iraq And 9/11

For those of us eternally arguing with those who insist the war in Iraq is a war against terrorism, consider sharing this list with them. Then ask them where their Bush's war on terrorism really is.

No WMD In Iraq
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134625,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3718150.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6190720/
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-02-un-wmd_x.htm
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec04/wmd_10-7.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2129-2005Jan11.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1307529,00.html

No Ties To Al-Qaeda
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122821,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/16/911.commission/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3812351.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1006792,00.html

Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97527,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46254-2004Jun16.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/16/911.commission/
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...till_no_mass_weapons_no_ties_to_911_no_truth/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3812351.stm


Source:
http://www.911blogger.com/2005/10/there-were-no-wmd-in-iraq-no-ties-to.html
 
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