Its Time for Supreme Court Term Limits

[jonny5]

Ginsburgs death is just more evidence that we need term limits for the Supreme Court. She would not give up her seat because of politics, could not do her job due to old age, and finally died in office causing yet another political crisis. Furthermore, the MORE people who wield power the better. We should not have 20-30 citizens in our entire lifetime who hold this position. Diversity of opinion ultimately comes from more people, not less.

What are some options for making sure people do not hold on to political power until death that maintains the faux neutrality of the court?

Elections are a no go.
Rotations between circuit courts and supreme court? 18 years and done staggered to avoid Presidential elections?

 

[Manc Skipper]

The court is supposed to be "neutral", since it's about upholding the highest standards of law, not partisan bickering. That said frailty comes with increased age, and a relatively healthy court could be promoted by imposing a mandatory retirement age of 70, such as that in the UK.

 

[jonny5]

The court is supposed to be "neutral", since it's about upholding the highest standards of law, not partisan bickering. That said frailty comes with increased age, and a relatively healthy court could be promoted by imposing a mandatory retirement age of 70, such as that in the UK.

Im not sure thats neccesary. Plenty of people have working brains past their 70s and deserve some reputation too. There just needs to be some way to force those who dont off the court. Normally congress would do that, but they are even worse than the SC. We need term limits on them too because the people are also dumb partisans. It works for the Pres, it should work for all top officials.

 

[bongsaway]

Ginsburgs death is just more evidence that we need term limits for the Supreme Court. She would not give up her seat because of politics, could not do her job due to old age, and finally died in office causing yet another political crisis. Furthermore, the MORE people who wield power the better. We should not have 20-30 citizens in our entire lifetime who hold this position. Diversity of opinion ultimately comes from more people, not less.

What are some options for making sure people do not hold on to political power until death that maintains the faux neutrality of the court?

Elections are a no go.
Rotations between circuit courts and supreme court? 18 years and done staggered to avoid Presidential elections?

Sixteen years and out. This lifetime seating is a mess. It can let one side or the other dictate policy through the supreme court for decades outlasting many presidents.

 

[Excon]

Its Time for Supreme Court Term Limits

No. Simply no.

 

[jonny5]

No. Simply no.

Elaborate.

<debate forum

 

[Excon]

Elaborate.

No.

 

[jnug]

Term limits for the SJC does not really address the issues with the Court. If anything it would make them worse.

The DEM's have got to be willing to fight for what they want. Blather gets them nowhere. They have to be as ruthless as the GOP has been. Newt Gingrich ruthless if that is what it takes. Mitch McConnell ruthless if that is what it takes. For the record that is not the same as Lyndsey Graham treacherous. It must be Lindsey's time of the month AGAIN. Take the Senate back and get that wimp Schumer the heck out of what would then be the Senate Majority Leader's office.

The DEM's need to bulldoze the current GOP into the ground. The GOP is helping by bulldozing itself into the ground. The DEM's need to take the Presidency and the Senate and combined with the House give Biden four new SJC Justices to name. The GOP and its hordes of right wing WHACK JOB's have earned no less. Time to fight ruthlessness with ruthlessness.

We are already lost in the weeds as a country and just as the notion of going back to either 1950 and even 1850 is a right wing fantasy, going back AT ALL is actually a fantasy. Too much water over the dam. If we are to find our way back to the original aspirations embodied in our founding documents, we will have to go forward. It will be painful, even ugly....but its the only way.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I do not think the OP realizes what the undertaking would be to change the Constitution in that regard, moreover all this really does is exchange one set of issues with Supreme Court lifetime appointments with another set of issues on limits. We would see just as much, if not more, political timing calculations as we do today when it comes to age and whichever President / Senate could seat another Justice.

Our real issue here is what the Senate process has become, the litmus test politicalization of questioning and conformation has become a horrible joke. It is no longer about Constitutionality but political interpretation of Constitutionality, and it has turned the courts into some half-assed legislative backdrop.

 

[jnug]

The Ginsberg seat debacle once again points out the folly of the DEM Party insistence on trying to claim the first Woman President to put along side their first Black President sheepskin on their wall. They played a weak hand poorly unlike Vladimir Putin who always plays a weak hand well.

RBG stayed on the Court through Obama's last term, convinced that HRC would win in 2016. Unfortunately HRC can't campaign her way out of a wet paper bag, assembled what has to be one of the worst presidential campaign staffs in American history and I guess because of the dynamics of the relationship between her and Bill, sidelined one of the best political minds in the country, Bill's!

For the record, IMO, the Clintons are the most influential American couple of the last 100 years, far exceeding in a bad way any of the other prominent couples of the last century by a country mile either good or bad. My view here is based on their influence as a couple, not their individual influences. I would rate Bill and Marylin Gates, second most influential and probably the Obama's third maybe the Turner's fourth.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Ginsburgs death is just more evidence that we need term limits for the Supreme Court. She would not give up her seat because of politics, could not do her job due to old age, and finally died in office causing yet another political crisis. Furthermore, the MORE people who wield power the better. We should not have 20-30 citizens in our entire lifetime who hold this position. Diversity of opinion ultimately comes from more people, not less.

What are some options for making sure people do not hold on to political power until death that maintains the faux neutrality of the court?

Elections are a no go.
Rotations between circuit courts and supreme court? 18 years and done staggered to avoid Presidential elections?

I liked Buttigieg’s rotation with the lower courts. I prefer 10 year appoinments.

SC has to be rebuilt. The nomination process was already garbage. Now it’s entirely useless. GOP has wrecked the court. Their own standard bearer doesn’t even respect its decisions if he doesn’t like them. Roberts had much more power than he exercised during impeachment because he’s a member of the GOP in good standing.

 

[element94]

If the reps push through Ginsburg's replacement before the election, the dems, when they get majority in both houses, need to raise the Supreme Court seats to 13, and name every one of them immediately. This is what the war McConnell wants would look like.

 

[gino]

If RBG had acted professionally, none of this would be talked about. She was a terrible supreme court justice to the end.

 

[Mr Person]

Ginsburgs death is just more evidence that we need term limits for the Supreme Court. She would not give up her seat because of politics, could not do her job due to old age, and finally died in office causing yet another political crisis. Furthermore, the MORE people who wield power the better. We should not have 20-30 citizens in our entire lifetime who hold this position. Diversity of opinion ultimately comes from more people, not less.

What are some options for making sure people do not hold on to political power until death that maintains the faux neutrality of the court?

Elections are a no go.
Rotations between circuit courts and supreme court? 18 years and done staggered to avoid Presidential elections?

She was doing her job just fine. Not much point in reading past a partisan lie, so...

 

[Craig234]

Ruth was an outstanding justice including the last term, and the leader of the good/honest group on the court. This game where presidents try to pick someone with 40+ years (and it's sick that trump got two picks, much less three) is not good, but there is something to be said for experience. The institution would lose a bit of respect with term limits IMO.

No easy answer, but whatever answer, it's not based on Ruth's not doing a great job. Other justices have retired earlier. Her 'playing politics' made a lot of sense on not resigning; the right does it a lot, and the right's attacks on Ruth for doing it are just their hypocritical spiteful demand for total power, just as we're seeing with their attempt to hypocritically fill this vacancy just before an election after what they did in 2016.

 

[jonny5]

I do not think the OP realizes what the undertaking would be to change the Constitution in that regard, moreover all this really does is exchange one set of issues with Supreme Court lifetime appointments with another set of issues on limits. We would see just as much, if not more, political timing calculations as we do today when it comes to age and whichever President / Senate could seat another Justice.

Our real issue here is what the Senate process has become, the litmus test politicalization of questioning and conformation has become a horrible joke. It is no longer about Constitutionality but political interpretation of Constitutionality, and it has turned the courts into some half-assed legislative backdrop.

I do realize the undertaking. Its irrelevant. I dont expect it would ever happen. That doesnt change the need for it to happen. Partisanship is a result of people being partisans and that wont change. Terms limits at least gets these people out whether people do political timing or not. Just like how it works for the Presidency, it doesnt matter what political wrangling they do. When the 2 terms are up, theyre out.

 

[jonny5]

If the reps push through Ginsburg's replacement before the election, the dems, when they get majority in both houses, need to raise the Supreme Court seats to 13, and name every one of them immediately. This is what the war McConnell wants would look like.

Cool, and when the GOP gets congress back, they should raise it to 17 and name everyone of them immediately.

 

[ludin]

Ginsburgs death is just more evidence that we need term limits for the Supreme Court. She would not give up her seat because of politics, could not do her job due to old age, and finally died in office causing yet another political crisis. Furthermore, the MORE people who wield power the better. We should not have 20-30 citizens in our entire lifetime who hold this position. Diversity of opinion ultimately comes from more people, not less.

What are some options for making sure people do not hold on to political power until death that maintains the faux neutrality of the court?

Elections are a no go.
Rotations between circuit courts and supreme court? 18 years and done staggered to avoid Presidential elections?

i agree with that and term limits for congress as well.

For the house if you can't accomplish your goals in 6 terms which is 12 years
then you really don't need to be in the house anymore and if you have been there for 12 years
straight then you have been corrupted.

the senate should be 4 terms like the senate that is 24 years and the same thing applies.

SCOTUS should be in power no more than 10 years from the time they get the position.

 

[ludin]

Ruth was an outstanding justice including the last term, and the leader of the good/honest group on the court. This game where presidents try to pick someone with 40+ years (and it's sick that trump got two picks, much less three) is not good, but there is something to be said for experience. The institution would lose a bit of respect with term limits IMO.

No easy answer, but whatever answer, it's not based on Ruth's not doing a great job. Other justices have retired earlier. Her 'playing politics' made a lot of sense on not resigning; the right does it a lot, and the right's attacks on Ruth for doing it are just their hypocritical spiteful demand for total power, just as we're seeing with their attempt to hypocritically fill this vacancy just before an election after what they did in 2016.

No she wasn't Ginsburg was an utter disaster.
almost none of her rulings were based on the constitution but her political opinion.
in which she violated her oath of office.

 

[noonereal]

I liked Buttigieg’s rotation with the lower courts. I prefer 10 year appoinments.

SC has to be rebuilt. The nomination process was already garbage. Now it’s entirely useless. GOP has wrecked the court. Their own standard bearer doesn’t even respect its decisions if he doesn’t like them. Roberts had much more power than he exercised during impeachment because he’s a member of the GOP in good standing.

Can you replace your new avatar with your old one again?

It was pleasant to viddy whereas this one is creepy.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Can you replace your new avatar with your old one again?

It was pleasant to viddy whereas this one is creepy.

I shall take your request under consideration. Although Halloween is Coming.

 

[noonereal]

I shall take your request under consideration. Although Halloween is Coming.

LOL, she is just too ugly

The world needs more beauty.

Why is it most Con women are so motley?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

LOL, she is just too ugly

The world needs more beauty.

Why is it most Con women are so motley?

Thaaaaat’s not true. The Fox News Online Secretary Pool is kinda hot in parts, if you just want to stare at something.

 

[noonereal]

Thaaaaat’s not true. The Fox News Online Secretary Pool is kinda hot in parts, if you just want to stare at something.

Maybe I can't get by the venom they spew.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Maybe I can't get by the venom they spew.

I didn’t say they were *attractive*.