It's Time for a Serious Discussion About Socialism.

[Kushinator]

Then how do we have obease people with cars houses flat screens and xboxes on these benifiets. Our safety net is a hammock at this point.

Why is it you try to focus on the exception, rather than the rule?

 

[Kushinator]

2 I don't care if people are obease on there own money but if your get obease on foodstamps that tells me we are spending too much.

Another terribly ignorant reply.

 

[Kushinator]

It's fed billions of people in the world I don't think they would keep doing it if it was killing them.

Who said anything about "killing people"? If you eat 5 QP'rs, it won't kill. Now, if you eat 5 QP'rs every day, you will likely develop heart disease in time. Likely to develop some form of colitis as well.

How old are you?

 

[head of joaquin]

Again never claimed to be a expert and neuter are the academics that right these papers to be a expert you need to have experice in that field. So unless you have been a nutritionist you are hot a expert on nutrition.

Yeah, so quit pretending you are an expert and opining on how lower income obese people need to buck up and eat more beans.

The common thread of tea party policies is that it's not only not based on fact, it pretends to be.

 

[Org]

No, it is not a time to seriously discuss socialism. It is a flawed doctrine based on a government that strong arms people into compliance or the magic fairy world in which everybody is happy with their lives and greed, jealousy and envy do not exist.

No, it is time for fiscal responsibility with a rise in taxes on the very wealthy or those people who are very very affluent, a tax mitigation for the middle class and the poor and a smart investment scheme in which the US invests in home grown industry. The kind of industry that keeps the US at the cutting edge of new technology, green, computer, electronic, domestically produced energy and also invests in education to have workers to work in that kind of an industry.

Then, after a few years when the economy is throwing out a good surplus on the budget and the government debt to China and others is being paid off, then there can be a comprehensive tax cut, especially aimed at those who had to pay extra for a few year. And if there is any money left it should be invested wisely again in education reform and trying to subsidize green initiatives that will create new, good paying and innovative jobs in the US.

At least I think that is a much better idea than to turn to socialism.

This "magic fairy world" is one you, not I, envision. You live in the Netherlands? How are things there? Pretty good, I'd imagine, compared to the U.S. The amount of control corporations have is relatively limited, and the government's done a lot for poor and working class people. But why stop there? Why not let those folks run their own lives, instead of the government?

 

[Cecil900]

I think one the biggest lies ever told is your signature quote. Anyone who is a student of the teachings of Jesus knows he taught personal responsibility for our own choices. He commanded his followers to give to poor, feed the hungry, care for the sick etc. as their personal responsibility not the government's. When you allow a government to forcefully take money from its citizens to pay for things you want then that amounts to stealing. Jesus called stealing a sin.

Mark 10:21: Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Matthew 25:31-46
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 28:18-20 "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."


Now, in all honesty I'm an atheist. I think Jesus is a myth, I just find my signature humorous because I think he is everything conservatives hate.

And how is the "Kingdom of God" not like the ultimate form of government?

 

[Peter King]

This "magic fairy world" is one you, not I, envision. You live in the Netherlands? How are things there? Pretty good, I'd imagine, compared to the U.S. The amount of control corporations have is relatively limited, and the government's done a lot for poor and working class people. But why stop there? Why not let those folks run their own lives, instead of the government?

People have to have rules and regulations. And with a magic fairy world I mean a world in which people have no negative qualities like greed, envy, jealousy or the desire to one up your neighbor if he get's a new "whatever". People are flawed and hence a voluntary socialist paradise is impossible, the only way to achieve it is to have a large government that forces socialism/communism upon the population.

 

[Org]

People have to have rules and regulations. And with a magic fairy world I mean a world in which people have no negative qualities like greed, envy, jealousy or the desire to one up your neighbor if he get's a new "whatever". People are flawed and hence a voluntary socialist paradise is impossible, the only way to achieve it is to have a large government that forces socialism/communism upon the population.

This human nature argument is pretty silly. :lol:

Do you know what socialism is? It's our attempt to mitigate this predatory stage of human development. It's our way of making economic interactions not based on those qualities you outlined. When a system is built around individuals acting in their own self-interests, what do you think they'll do? But if it's built so productive camaraderie and democratic decision making are institutionalized norms... will people be greedy, envious and hyper-competitive? I say no.

The way that people behave is only the superstructure of political economy.