Defender of the Faith
- Apr 24, 2005
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Hamburg is the epicenter of the deadliest E. coli outbreak in modern history, which has killed at least 18 people since May 2. More than 1,700 people in Germany have been infected, including 520 suffering from a life-threatening complication that can cause kidney failure. Ten other European nations and the U.S. have reported 90 other cases, all but two related to visits in northern Germany.
One E. coli survivor, 41-year-old Nicoletta Pabst, told The Associated Press that sanitary conditions at the Hamburg-Eppendorf hospital were horrendous when she arrived with cramps and bloody diarrhea. She said at least 20 others had a similar condition in the emergency room.
"All of us had diarrhea and there was only one bathroom each for men and women — it was a complete mess," she said. "If I hadn't been sick with E. coli by then, I probably would have picked it up over there."
After waiting three hours to be seen, Pabst was told to go home because her blood levels did not indicate that she had kidney failure. She had to return by ambulance the next morning and was hospitalized for a week at a different hospital.
Actually, they are more on top of it than you might think.
WHO says E. coli strain responsible for European outbreak is new strain never detected before - Yahoo! News
And where did you get your information that it was "much much more common in the US for example for E-Coli breakouts"?
Your cucumbers may be straighter but that doesn't mean they are not like-threatening.
If more than 500 are still suffering life-threatening complications from this bug, that '18' number will sadly rise in the coming days...
European socialized medicine at work???
This outbreak appears really bad.
Of course, on the one hand we can blame industrial food production, however, with an increasing global food shortage, we are reliant on mass food production and not everyone (espcially those in urban areas) can grow their own food...
It always real simple with Pete.
Europe = good
US = sucks
So no pork? I couldn't imagine life without pork...
Well depends on what you mean by not getting any better. There is an incubation period for this bug and that has now been reached pretty much. The real question is if new cases are rising or falling, and from what I understand from the media in Europe, they are falling.
And the AP article is wrong some what.. it is not Hamburg that is now suspected but Lubeck and specifically one restaurant and its suppliers.
Will it rise? Depends on who is infected. Chances are that there will be more deaths because of the number of infected, but lets hope not.
No, a new variant of the bug. Normally ecoli infections do NOT hit the kidney and cause kidney failures.
As for the complaint of the sanitary conditions.. she explains it very well.. 20 people+ puking and ****ting all over the place does not create sanitary conditions anywhere. Add to that the usual emergency room traffic and then yes sanitary conditions would be questionable.
It is bad because it is very uncommon in Europe. It is even more bad because how different this strain is from more traditional strains and how much more deadly it is.. aka it causes kidney failure.
Well there is safe industrial food production and then there is less than safe.. all depends on the morals of the growers and sellers and how much regulation there is to keep the industry in check. And like it or not, accidents do happen.
I'd probably starve to death here if I didn't eat pork. Every time I go to Turkey (usually about once a year) I get half-a-dozen requests from Turkish friends asking me to bring Serrano ham, morcilla blood sausage and chorizo sausages. Oh, and Spanish brandy.
I am not one that much cares for organic foods but, I do haul chemicals for the agriculture and diary industry and also other food industries. I can say this with 100 percent assuredness, the chemicals in it's pure or unmixed state can kill you in short order or severely damage you health wise. We had one driver who was accidently exposed to a commercial ammonia solution and now after three years he is fighting for his life. These chemical are extremely dangerous and great care has to be taken when handling it, that said, I do understand that these procedures are required to feed vast amounts of people.Once in history organic agriculture kills a couple people, and that makes chemicals safe. I wonder if you have any idea how many people agro-chemicals have killed. Further, we should consider social and ecologic impacts - not just personal.
As response to the bold part.. no. It is because of different and higher health and safety standards for foods. That is just a fact, and it is up to you to twist that fact into whatever anti-European attack you want, but I refuse to get dragged into a "We are better than them" debate when the facts are the facts. On average there are 2 ecoli outbreaks every year in the US, where as in Europe there are rarely any. Read the following link for the official "outbreaks" in the US. On top of that there are of course local cases.
Outbreak Investigations | CDC E. coli
Bean sprouts do not kill people.
Bean sprouts do not kill people. People kill people. They'll pry my bean sprouts...
Oh, just went off on another issue temporarily.
Bean sprouts don't kill people, but new and more virulent strains of E. Coli do. How do we know it's bean sprouts?
Source of the out break is German grown bean-sprouts. That explains why so many women and especially young women have been hit.
If the Telegraph isn't rightwing enough, Sky news is Fox's British cousin.
"German-grown beansprouts are the likely cause of the E.coli outbreak, say health authorities investigating the crisis.
A spokesman for the agriculture ministry in Germany's Lower Saxony state said people should stay away from eating the beansprouts, which are often used in mixed salads.
The new lead on the outbreak comes as the death toll in Europe increased to 22... "
E.coli Outbreak: German Beansprouts Are The Likely Cause Of E.coli Outbreak | World News | Sky News
This just adds extra weight to a huge compensation claim from Spanish farmers after spanish vegetables were blamed as the source of this new disease.