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It's not a war, it's a massacre

Craig234

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It's interesting to find videos matching an opinion you have. Looking at the situation, I had an opinion: the media lazily calls this a conflict and a war, but it's the fourth most powerful modern military in the world slaughtering civilians in Gaza; and even on the other side, it was largely terrorists slaughtering Israeli civilians on 10/7. There is some 'war', but it's mostly slaughter.

Video of IDF officer saying the 10/7 attacks were not war, but a massacre:


Video of former US Defense official saying the Gaza attacks by Israel-wth are not war, but a mass murder:


War is more than bad enough as it is when it's war. This is almost entirely not war but slaughter of civilians.
 
So some terrorists made a surprise attack on the civilians of the 4th most powerful military in the world, and that military said 'we're coming for ya', so civilians evacuate the areas our intelligence tells us they are being harbored?

My bags would have already been packed if I were in that region.

It is a war, and a conflict, and a slaughter.. They all are rather interchangeable.

Go get involved if you feel so strongly.
 
Chock Full o Nuts said:
My bags would have already been packed if I were in that region.
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That's an idiotic post for a number of reasons, but I'll note that if you were a prisoner and the guards began to go through the prison shooting the prisoners, you would move to the other part of your cell. To South Gaza, where only 40% of the civilians Israel-WTH has slaughtered were located.
 
The one thing I'd like from "massacre"/"genocide"/etc people is a serious explanation of what they think Israel should do and why anyone should think it would work better.

If all you do is throw out a disclaimer about how evil Hamas is and then insist every last thing Israel does is horrible, your stance boils down to that Israel has no right of self-defense. Perversely, because Hamas does everything in its power to invite and maximize Palestinian casualties.

The whole thing is an impossible hell.

Craig234 said:
Video of IDF officer saying the 10/7 attacks were not war, but a massacre:
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If I'm reading this right you picked the most idiotic angle out there. WTF does it matter what you call the Hamas attack? Did we say "well, shit, we cant do anything" after 9/11 because Afghanistan hadn't declared war? Hamas has the destruction of Israel in it's charter. That's a permanent declaration of war.

FFS.
 
Release the hostages and surrender
 
Neither was Hamas a war, but a massacre.

It sets a good example should North Korea think about launching a nuke or anyone think about bunkering under civilians.
 
And I the one thing I would like for the 'self defense for Israel' people is a serious explanation of what they think the Palestinian people should do to protect themselves and their children from starvation, dehydration, the bombs and the Israeli troops. We both know that's not coming either.
 
This is what happens when you start a chain of events that cannot be stopped. Welcome to a war where everyone is expendable and fake outrage trumps real outrage. Hamas must have overestimated support from other middle east countries which are apparently willing to let this whole thing play out.
 
My bags would be packed the hell out of the region long ago period if I could manage it. (Unless I was a Hamas backer. ) We can take them all in, right?
I wouldn't just head 'across the river' and assume all is good.

At this point, Gaza has been a harborer, and you think they haven't moved within that small region, and Intel hasn't directed Isreal to those areas.

But go ahead and back 'first blood'.

As far as I'm concerned, **** wars in the name of religion; and for that matter, **** war period.
 
And everyone picks as the 'first link' in that chain of events, one that is consistent with their own narrative that exists to promote their own agenda. Who is the victim and who is the perpetrator depends on when that chain starts.

Anyone who blames all this on 'religion' reads a shallow interpretation into history. its about land and power and those subjects are really substitutes for politics and politics is about WEALTH, Religion is the sheep's clothing , a greedy wolf wears.
 
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Chock Full o Nuts said:
My bags would be packed the hell out of the region long ago period if I could manage it.
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You don't understand that Gazans are imprisoned and cannot leave generally?
 
Exquisitor said:
Neither was Hamas a war, but a massacre.

It sets a good example should North Korea think about launching a nuke or anyone think about bunkering under civilians.
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You don't read? I said that. The first of two videos in the OP said that.

No, it doesn't 'set a good example' about bunkering under civilians. Civilians should be protected. Israel-wth ignoring that morality doesn't change it.
 
The stupid irrelevant things you use to try and attack Israel shows the level of your hatred for the Jewish people

Tell me what difference does it make that a IDF soldier called the murder of a thousand innocent civilians in a terror attack a massacre and not a war.

It’s simply idiotic.

And that odd not even getting into the Patrick little Israel-wth stupidity.
Tell me why do you think anyone should take you seriously.
 
How about not support terrorist groups that continually attack their neighbor. Would be a good start.
 
Craig234 said:
You don't read? I said that. The first of two videos in the OP said that.
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No, I had to get the thought out of my head. I noticed later I misread the point.
Craig234 said:
No, it doesn't 'set a good example' about bunkering under civilians. Civilians should be protected. Israel-wth ignoring that morality doesn't change it.
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Do you think it would stop the Russians?
 
Exquisitor said:
No, I had to get the thought out of my head. I noticed later I misread the point.
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No problem, thanks for the update.

Exquisitor said:
Do you think it would stop the Russians?
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It's not a hypothetical. But it's not even the same issue. The Russians aren't ignoring and killing civilians to hit targets, they're just targeting the civilians in war crimes. But that doesn't change the morality that they're wrong.
 
braindrain said:
How about not support terrorist groups that continually attack their neighbor. Would be a good start.
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And who did you suggest they turn to instead for representation of their interests and support while Israel slowly and steadily over decades crushes them under their heel?
 
Craig234 said:
You don't read? I said that. The first of two videos in the OP said that.

No, it doesn't 'set a good example' about bunkering under civilians. Civilians should be protected. Israel-wth ignoring that morality doesn't change it.
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So we all understand. You are stating Israel is ignoring morality. Of course we know that Hamas is still firing rockets into Israeli cities as we speak. The only reasonable assumption to be made from your statements is that once Hamas gets back to Gaza and hides under the skirts of their women, Israel's duty is to stop the fight go back home and get ready to absorb the next slaughter. The fact that Hamas still holds over 200 people should be ignored. Just right them off as the cost of being Jewish.

We all get that is the new "progressive" agenda. As we hear the shouts daily, from the river to the sea we will be free. In other words saying please bring on holocaust 2.0.

Some day you will in all likelihood get your wish. But Israel will continue to battle as long as they can.
 
Perhaps you might recognize that HAMAS is using civilians a shields and blame them. No, instead, you hate Jews.
 
btthegreat said:
And who did you suggest they turn to instead for representation of their interests and support while Israel slowly and steadily over decades crushes them under their heel?
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Funny because right before the most recent terror attack Israel was trying to improve the lives of the people in gaza.
So my suggestion would be they turn to Israel.
Or just stick with supporting terrorists. Seems to be getting them good results right?
 
This post is fine for the first three sentences. And after that it plummets.
 
LOL. That's insanity. NOTHING gets them 'good results' The Palestinians wherever they live in that region, are nothing but sheep who keep getting sheered over and over until they become mutton.
 
Craig234 said:
It's not a hypothetical. But it's not even the same issue. The Russians aren't ignoring and killing civilians to hit targets, they're just targeting the civilians in war crimes. But that doesn't change the morality that they're wrong.
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I'd have to side with the Romans, and the Muslims, they are fortunate to be converted by the sword by Israeli.

Just think, converted by Russian or Israeli, which is better?

Hey, maybe I'll launch a poll.
 
btthegreat said:
LOL. That's insanity. NOTHING gets them 'good results' The Palestinians wherever they live, are nothing but sheep who keep getting sheered over and over until they become mutton.
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No it’s simply reality.
It is an undeniable fact that Israel was trying to make the lives of people in gaza better right before the terror attack.
They probably don’t get better results because they can never seem to go any length of time without attacking their neighbor.
Tell me how would you treat your neighbor if they are randomly shooting holes in your horse.
 
Your 'simple reality' is a simple fabrication. Israel has done nothing remotely substantial to make any lives in Gaza or the West Bank better. It never has and it never will. it's machiavelian interest lies in the absorption or demise of the Palestinian people as a people. Israel wants the land and every drop of whatever resources there may be on it to support its economy. The people who live there, are only a cheap labor source, to be kept like pack animals.
 
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