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It's hard to see how trump wanted anything other than a slaughter at the capitol

facebook and Instagram have been banning a lot of radical right users; Parler did not, it invited and welcomed them and was a site dedicated to them. It's not 'all' trump's fault, just as the Holocaust wasn't all Hitler's fault. But he wasn't blameless, now, was he? trump is very responsible for the riots.

Its quite hard to trust someone who lies so much on his first post who first started this thread.

Considering you actually think your own threads a theory, its hard to believe anything coming out of your keyboard would be truthful.

"If you have another theory of what trump's goal by this whole planned operation was, make your case"
 
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It's one thing for trump to ask his mob to enter the capitol, and another for him to want them to slaughter Congress. But it's hard to see how anything else makes sense.

It's long been predicted that trump would use any means he could, including violence if he could, trying to stay president. People from Michael Cohen to his niece have warned about how he might do anything if he lost.

So, for weeks after the election, he's claiming he won to his mob. That their election and their country is being stolen and they have to fight to defeat the thieves.

He launches about 60 lawsuits trying to overturn the election, he asks Republican legislatures to overturn it, he has Texas sue other states trying to overturn it, he demands secretaries of states overturn it. It all fails.

Now, he's facing the biggest, last part of the process of Congressional certification of the vote. He asks Pence to simply declare that he's recognizing different electors and that trump won, Pence refuses.

So all trump has left is his mob. He can't get the military to overthrow the election, despite installing loyalists at the Pentagon after he lost. How does he use them?

He calls to all his supporters across the country to come to Washington, D.C. on Jan 6 for a rally, at which he tells them they need to fight and to march on the capitol. But why? What did he hope to get?

What does he gain by having his mob walk around the capitol building, delaying the process for a few hours, and getting them turned into criminals? Did all that effort for the rally and plan to storm the capitol make sense just for some hours of delay?

It's hard to see what that gained him.

On the other hand, if the mob got to Democratic members and slaughtered them - and maybe Mike Pence, why not, then he could appoint Ivanka as VP as he wanted to in the first place - that would really stop the process. Establish him as a 'strongman'. He could disavow responsibility while taking advantage of the chaos for his own benefit.

Any questions about whether he'd do that are answered by the fact of how close that came to happening, while he was thrilled to see the mob trying, marching the halls chanting 'hang Mike Pence' and trying to find members to assassinate, we now know.

It's hard to see his plan as having any other goal than for members to be killed - his 'burn the place down' revenge and his only chance to disrupt the process enough to try to seize continued power.

Doing all that to arrange for the storming of the building just for a few hours' delay makes no sense.

So it's seeming trump deserves to be seen not only for inciting insurrection but inciting assassination, which nearly happened. We now know that Mike Pence was moved from the Senate floor into hiding with his family one minute before the mob reached the door of the floor, and was less than 100 feet from his hiding area.

If you have another theory of what trump's goal by this whole planned operation was, make your case, but I'm not seeing any other goal that makes much sense. Clearly trump did create the danger of assassination and nearly caused it, but it's hard to see how that wasn't his goal.

Add in that his closest allies in Congress were having mob members led around the capitol the day before for recon, and even worse possible plots involving more people are possible.
Kevin McCarthy and others called Trump numerous times during the attempted insurrection and told him to go on the air and say something. He refused to do so when it was at high tide. He did release a hostage video later on when he was told to do so by Meadows
 
It's one thing for trump to ask his mob to enter the capitol, and another for him to want them to slaughter Congress. But it's hard to see how anything else makes sense.

It's long been predicted that trump would use any means he could, including violence if he could, trying to stay president. People from Michael Cohen to his niece have warned about how he might do anything if he lost.

So, for weeks after the election, he's claiming he won to his mob. That their election and their country is being stolen and they have to fight to defeat the thieves.

He launches about 60 lawsuits trying to overturn the election, he asks Republican legislatures to overturn it, he has Texas sue other states trying to overturn it, he demands secretaries of states overturn it. It all fails.

Now, he's facing the biggest, last part of the process of Congressional certification of the vote. He asks Pence to simply declare that he's recognizing different electors and that trump won, Pence refuses.

So all trump has left is his mob. He can't get the military to overthrow the election, despite installing loyalists at the Pentagon after he lost. How does he use them?

He calls to all his supporters across the country to come to Washington, D.C. on Jan 6 for a rally, at which he tells them they need to fight and to march on the capitol. But why? What did he hope to get?

What does he gain by having his mob walk around the capitol building, delaying the process for a few hours, and getting them turned into criminals? Did all that effort for the rally and plan to storm the capitol make sense just for some hours of delay?

It's hard to see what that gained him.

On the other hand, if the mob got to Democratic members and slaughtered them - and maybe Mike Pence, why not, then he could appoint Ivanka as VP as he wanted to in the first place - that would really stop the process. Establish him as a 'strongman'. He could disavow responsibility while taking advantage of the chaos for his own benefit.

Any questions about whether he'd do that are answered by the fact of how close that came to happening, while he was thrilled to see the mob trying, marching the halls chanting 'hang Mike Pence' and trying to find members to assassinate, we now know.

It's hard to see his plan as having any other goal than for members to be killed - his 'burn the place down' revenge and his only chance to disrupt the process enough to try to seize continued power.

Doing all that to arrange for the storming of the building just for a few hours' delay makes no sense.

So it's seeming trump deserves to be seen not only for inciting insurrection but inciting assassination, which nearly happened. We now know that Mike Pence was moved from the Senate floor into hiding with his family one minute before the mob reached the door of the floor, and was less than 100 feet from his hiding area.

If you have another theory of what trump's goal by this whole planned operation was, make your case, but I'm not seeing any other goal that makes much sense. Clearly trump did create the danger of assassination and nearly caused it, but it's hard to see how that wasn't his goal.

Add in that his closest allies in Congress were having mob members led around the capitol the day before for recon, and even worse possible plots involving more people are possible.
I think its hard to see for you because you are blindly partisan. Take those goggles off and look again.
 
I heard on TV that some people inside the WH observed Trump watching the riots in the Oval office and laughing and cheering them on when the violence picked up intensity. Trump is truly a sick SICK individual desperately in need of psychiatric help though I doubt it'd help him. How we ever let this pathetic loser lowlife into the WH I will never fathom but I do know it will forever be a scarlet streak of shame on America's history. I think that in the future calls will be made to remove all memories (and stench) of this skunk from the Capitol. I hope he spends his last days rotting inside a cell in Rikers Island. I'm an agnostic but I WILL pray for that.
 
Mob bosses never specifically order a murder either.

Trump's lawyer/fixer testified to Congress that trump never ever gave a direct order for illegal activities, he always chose his words in order to retain plausible deniability.

He has always seen himself and acted as he was a mob boss...
 
And if there is any doubt about what Donnie Boy and his IDIOT crew were trying to accomplish hurling that mob at the Capital all you have to do is listen to Rudy's audio message left for Tommy Tuberville WHILE the Insurrection was taking place. He lays it out quite plainly though in truth I am sure they were looking to lock up the entire process trying to run out the clock on it. They did not care what was destroyed nor who was injured or killed either, ON EITHER SIDE!!!!

In fact I am sure Trump has thrown Rudy under the bus because Rudy was STUPID enough to leave a taped message instead of talking to Tuberville directly.
I read Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani his fee.
 
It's one thing for trump to ask his mob to enter the capitol, and another for him to want them to slaughter Congress. But it's hard to see how anything else makes sense.

It's long been predicted that trump would use any means he could, including violence if he could, trying to stay president. People from Michael Cohen to his niece have warned about how he might do anything if he lost.

So, for weeks after the election, he's claiming he won to his mob. That their election and their country is being stolen and they have to fight to defeat the thieves.

He launches about 60 lawsuits trying to overturn the election, he asks Republican legislatures to overturn it, he has Texas sue other states trying to overturn it, he demands secretaries of states overturn it. It all fails.

Now, he's facing the biggest, last part of the process of Congressional certification of the vote. He asks Pence to simply declare that he's recognizing different electors and that trump won, Pence refuses.

So all trump has left is his mob. He can't get the military to overthrow the election, despite installing loyalists at the Pentagon after he lost. How does he use them?

He calls to all his supporters across the country to come to Washington, D.C. on Jan 6 for a rally, at which he tells them they need to fight and to march on the capitol. But why? What did he hope to get?

What does he gain by having his mob walk around the capitol building, delaying the process for a few hours, and getting them turned into criminals? Did all that effort for the rally and plan to storm the capitol make sense just for some hours of delay?

It's hard to see what that gained him.

On the other hand, if the mob got to Democratic members and slaughtered them - and maybe Mike Pence, why not, then he could appoint Ivanka as VP as he wanted to in the first place - that would really stop the process. Establish him as a 'strongman'. He could disavow responsibility while taking advantage of the chaos for his own benefit.

Any questions about whether he'd do that are answered by the fact of how close that came to happening, while he was thrilled to see the mob trying, marching the halls chanting 'hang Mike Pence' and trying to find members to assassinate, we now know.

It's hard to see his plan as having any other goal than for members to be killed - his 'burn the place down' revenge and his only chance to disrupt the process enough to try to seize continued power.

Doing all that to arrange for the storming of the building just for a few hours' delay makes no sense.

So it's seeming trump deserves to be seen not only for inciting insurrection but inciting assassination, which nearly happened. We now know that Mike Pence was moved from the Senate floor into hiding with his family one minute before the mob reached the door of the floor, and was less than 100 feet from his hiding area.

If you have another theory of what trump's goal by this whole planned operation was, make your case, but I'm not seeing any other goal that makes much sense. Clearly trump did create the danger of assassination and nearly caused it, but it's hard to see how that wasn't his goal.

Add in that his closest allies in Congress were having mob members led around the capitol the day before for recon, and even worse possible plots involving more people are possible.
Please show the video where Trump tells these crazies to storm the capital and attack police? No, you cannot because he did not.
 
FBI says Capitol uprising was several months in the planning. Trump knew nothing.
The FBI did not clear Trump in this. If you have a source, it would be nice to see it. Otherwise I'll go with this:
 
You are correct, Trump told them to march to protest peaceably and patriotically....they simply LIE, for there is no other word one could use. The left has far, far too much to hide and Trump is getting far too close to all their skeletons, thus the immense hatred. The "Faux Impeachment 2" is only to prevent Trump from running in 2024.

Yup he used the word peaceful once in his incinerarry speech.

While all off his terrorists were setting their bombs, loading their guns, fitting their gas masks and sharpening their spears...

And cultists wonder why intelligent people think they are morons...
 
Please show the video where Trump tells these crazies to storm the capital and attack police? No, you cannot because he did not.

You’re gonna be awfully disappointed in a few weeks when your brainwasher is found guilty.
 
BLM Riots: 1 Billion+ in damage, 19 dead, 400 law enforcement officers injured. Can't believe how many people on the left now care about police officers, with all this defund the police, amid all the riots and protests last year. Changing narratives rather quickly when it comes to the Capitol riot. Last year, police bad...this year, police good.

Yeah, just like the pandemic, for now the governor of NY, Cuomo and the mayor of Chicago are talking about opening up their economy.......ain't that funny? You watch and learn of the trickery of the left....once Joe becomes president, initiates the 100 day mask mandate, poof goes the dragon, the Covid virus will miraculously improve and the numbers will fall fast....watch, it's coming. These people are sick, sick in the head.
 
Yup he used the word peaceful once in his incinerarry speech.

While all off his terrorists were setting their bombs, loading their guns, fitting their gas masks and sharpening their spears...

And cultists wonder why intelligent people think they are morons...

It was a planned attack and they looked just like Antifa and Blm, who did billions worth of damage to this country, many dead and injured....they had an entire summer to watch on live TV to learn how to riot and terrorize. All of them need to be arrested.
 
Trump's election fraud claims are total lies. There is no credible evidence of Trump's claims.

The same cannot be said of police brutality. There is an abundance of evidence. We all saw what happened to George Floyd with our own eyes. There is a whole list of such incidence we all saw.

Oh-- Trump cited evidence-- the issue was that even if it could be proven true, it would be insufficient to change the outcome of an election.

Meanwhile, what happened to George Floyd was an outlier. Factually, police brutality is not a 'thing.'
 
In the plausible hypothetical, I know what he had in mind. He wanted dead congressmen, women and Pence, just like you stated. Then he would declare martial law and argue that Antifa did it. Easy peasy in the mind of a simpleton like Trump.

I think this is right. I can’t believe I agree with something that should be insane but the more we find out about what happened and that GOP reps might be involved, I can’t come to any other conclusions.

These ****ers were really coming for it all.
 
I honestly don't even think Trump spent much thinking about the consequences of his actions. And honestly, that has always been the problem with selfish, short sighted, impulsive people like him. It's all about immediate gratification. Trump wanted images of the Capitol under siege by his mob. Did he contemplate what that actually meant in terms of risk to human life, including his own Vice President? Probably not, because that would require looking outside of himself and that just isn't the kind of man that Trump is.

Agree with you on this. Trump didn't plan for an overthrow using force, he's simply not capable of even that level of planning and execution. But he is a psychotic narcissist and was unable to empathize with those under attack when things got out of hand. There have probably been few if any Presidents who are as dangerous because of his characteristics.
 
Agree with you on this. Trump didn't plan for an overthrow using force, he's simply not capable of even that level of planning and execution. But he is a psychotic narcissist and was unable to empathize with those under attack when things got out of hand. There have probably been few if any Presidents who are as dangerous because of his characteristics.

Trump is capable of planning. He is actually quite the schemer. He is shy on execution and utterly oblivious to consequences. I am not even sure Donnie would recognize the word "consequences" in a sentence. Donnie only really knows and cares about the next 5 minutes and only as it relates to him specifically. So he schemes to win that. The next 5 minutes after that will have to take care of themselves in Donnie world.

Did "Stand Down and Stand By" include a specific time line? NOPE. Would Donnie not then use it as events unfolded before him? YUP.

So Donnie primed the pump with his election fraud and malfeasance nonsense all the way from before Election Day till Election Day and beyond having no earthly idea in the moment what he would eventually do with that "asset". If he won, he would do NOTHING. If he lost, whole different kettle of fish.

As Donnie worked up to Jan 6th he continued to push out the most absurd nonsense about the state of the Election itself and what Pence could do on Jan 6th and what Lawmakers could do on Jan 6th and what States could do before Jan 6th, all of it complete nonsense that anybody with even a cursory understanding of this Republic and its Constitution would not give credence to (ENTER TRUMPHUMPERS).

When Donnie finally got to Jan 6th he and his cohorts pumped up the mob he spurred on to coming to DC on the 6th for a "wild time" further and then Donnie hurled that mob at the Capitol Dome not intending to convince Pence to do what he could not do, not intending to "put steel in the spines of weak Republicans" as Lawmakers could not help Donnie at that point either no matter how much steel was in their spines. NOOOOOOO. Not his intention at all.

This was an INSURRECTION intended to stop the legitimate process of the Legislature certifying the election. Donnie hoped to cause enough wreckage and carnage to stop the process completely, run the clock out on it and throw the election to what would have remained of the House of Representatives for a Delegation count, a count that Donnie this late in the game at least had a chance of winning however slim.

Now that even this was the Hail Mary pass of all Hail Mary passes should be obvious and that Donnie cared not for his actual chances of success nor the carnage from this effort is SOOOOOOOOO Donnie. Its the way he has led his entire life. This is how he turned a $420M inheritance into a $900M loss, Bankrupted countless businesses including 4 casinos (since when does the house actually lose) a perfectly functioning airline and a fine professional football league from the position of a single franchise owner!!!!!!!

This is not some new Donnie. This is the old Donnie played out on a National stage. This is the faustian gamble the GOP took and is now paying for in spades. Unfortunately many of us end up collateral damage in the process.

Need I remind the audience that Rudy revealed Donnie's purpose in the ill advised voice message he left for new Senator Tuberville DURING THE INSURRECTION itself. Why do you folks think Donnie is now throwing Rudy under the bus?
 
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I think this is right. I can’t believe I agree with something that should be insane but the more we find out about what happened and that GOP reps might be involved, I can’t come to any other conclusions.

These ****ers were really coming for it all.

You are correct, it is insane to accuse the President of premeditated murder....please get over yourself, already. There was a huge rally planned and many came in a few days early and made visits to the Capitol, wearing their MAGA gear, nothing unusual here and not illegal.....you leftist are desperate, to find any conspiracy and it's all based on lies, as per the norm. Strangely, the left always does what they accuse others of doing.....they are actively trying to kick out many Congressmen and women for simply having opposing ideas, falsely accusing the President of sedition and insurrection, coming after free speech and crushing all opposition....yes, they are really coming for it all and the gullible are blindly following the take over.....sad and crazy to the nth degree.
 
You are correct, it is insane to accuse the President of premeditated murder....please get over yourself, already. There was a huge rally planned and many came in a few days early and made visits to the Capitol, wearing their MAGA gear, nothing unusual here and not illegal.....you leftist are desperate, to find any conspiracy and it's all based on lies, as per the norm. Strangely, the left always does what they accuse others of doing.....they are actively trying to kick out many Congressmen and women for simply having opposing ideas, falsely accusing the President of sedition and insurrection, coming after free speech and crushing all opposition....yes, they are really coming for it all and the gullible are blindly following the take over.....sad and crazy to the nth degree.

Their ”opposing ideas” included overturning a free and fair election, and potentially aiding in the insurrection at the Capitol. The former disqualifies them from ever having a credible voice in our democracy whether their voters agree or not, the latter if proven demands expulsion.

We are a nation of laws, not a nation of “I like laws except when I have an opposing idea to them”.
 
Their ”opposing ideas” included overturning a free and fair election, and potentially aiding in the insurrection at the Capitol. The former disqualifies them from ever having a credible voice in our democracy whether their voters agree or not, the latter if proven demands expulsion.

We are a nation of laws, not a nation of “I like laws except when I have an opposing idea to them”.

We'll soon see if the democrats are for or against voter integrity.....if they quelch any plan of a investigation into the election, we will know their integrity, if good or bad. The simple truth, there are many, many Americans who suspect there was fraud in this election and should be the very first thing done this year to assure voters their vote remains safe and secure. We'll see soon enough.....then we'll know.
 
This is how he turned a $420M inheritance into a $900M loss

Speaking of finance accident-prone the Washington Post estimated that if he'd taken the first 100 million and invested it in a retirement fund he'd have 6 billion by 2016. Fortune looked at it as well and estimated that if he'd put it into an ETF in 1988 he'd have about 13 billion by now.

He's not good at business, never has been. As they say in Texas he's all hat, no cattle.
 
We'll soon see if the democrats are for or against voter integrity.....if they quelch any plan of a investigation into the election, we will know their integrity, if good or bad. The simple truth, there are many, many Americans who suspect there was fraud in this election and should be the very first thing done this year to assure voters their vote remains safe and secure. We'll see soon enough.....then we'll know.

The last big election investigation, bipartisan and led by Republicans, turned up nothing. So bring it on.
 
We'll soon see if the democrats are for or against voter integrity.....if they quelch any plan of a investigation into the election, we will know their integrity, if good or bad. The simple truth, there are many, many Americans who suspect there was fraud in this election and should be the very first thing done this year to assure voters their vote remains safe and secure. We'll see soon enough.....then we'll know.
The Republicans refuse to appoint a special prosecutor. They demanded one in 2016
 
We'll soon see if the democrats are for or against voter integrity.....if they quelch any plan of a investigation into the election, we will know their integrity, if good or bad. The simple truth, there are many, many Americans who suspect there was fraud in this election and should be the very first thing done this year to assure voters their vote remains safe and secure. We'll see soon enough.....then we'll know.

No they don’t. They suspected they were going to lose so they began babbling about a rigged election early in the year when Trump told them he only loses if it’s rigged. So thye lose and lo and behold MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF FRAUD even though the only legitimate fraud we’ve seen have been Trump voters committing it, and the president himself trying to force GA to rig votes.

Also: **** their feelings. Your feelings are worth exactly 1-64 in courts.
 
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