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It's a civil war and you damn well know it.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
There are more troops defending our Capitol than are in Afghanistan
This is the Second Civil War. It may be quick, but make no mistake, we’re here.
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Yeah, but "civil war" ?

Probably more like terrorist insurgency.

Civil war makes their cause/effort sound bigger than it really is.

Bet the terrorist would like nothing more than to target/fight against civilians instead of our armed forces.
 
Fishking said:
So you're calling the OP a cultist. Got it.
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If that makes you feel better, believe what you wish, seems to work for the cult really well.
 
Fishking said:
So the women and children deserved to be burned to death?
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You seem to be blaming a particular group for that episode. Who might you have in mind? Korsch killed them and anyone else who died there in my opinion. Ruby ridge, waco, heaven's gate, the people's temple, the bundy incident with his cattle, these folks are on the wrong side of every one of them defending the lunatics in chief like jim jones. It's us wicked evil people suffocating their freedom of speech.

Don't challenge the real law and order unless you are prepared to pay the ultimate price. Some folks just don't learn.
 
Utility Man said:
If that makes you feel better, believe what you wish, seems to work for the cult really well.
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OP is OK with burning women and children alive and you said that that is what cults do so either you called the OP a cultist or you were terrible in trying to convey your point or trying to deflect.
 
Fishking said:
What kind of stupid ****ing question is that? Do you have to support McVeigh no not be OK with women and children burning to death?
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He meant to ask if you are defending david koresh.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The Oath Keepers did not want the American people to view them as an extremist militia, just a bunch of military and law enforcement who "care about the country", right?

"It was a Friday evening in June. Rhodes, 55, is a stocky man with a gray buzz cut, a wardrobe of tactical-casual attire, and a black eye patch. With him in his pickup were a pistol and a dusty black hat with the gold logo of the Oath Keepers, a militant group that has drawn in thousands of people from the military and law-enforcement communities.

Rhodes had been talking about civil war since he founded the Oath Keepers, in 2009. But now more people were listening. And whereas Rhodes had once cast himself as a revolutionary in waiting, he now saw his role as defending the president. He had put out a call for his followers to protect the country against what he was calling an “insurrection.” The unrest, he told me, was the latest attempt to undermine Donald Trump."

---But let's not call what happened at the Capitol "the first salvo in the Civil War"....we wouldn't want to exaggerate too much?
Let's just call that a "riot", right?

"Rhodes was deeply affected by the 1993 government siege outside Waco, Texas, which ended in the deaths of more than 70 members of an armed Christian sect, which to him showed the danger of government power."

Another far Right monster who took up the same cause that inspired Tim McVeigh to bomb the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.
But let's just ignore the fact that all of this hasn't been boiling under the surface ever since 1993, twenty-eight years.
Let's just ignore the fact that David Koresh and his "Christian" sect were really a cult that sexually assaulted eleven year old girls with the permission of their parents, they're just a church, right?
Let's just ignore the fact that these people have now promised to return to state Capitols in all 50 states with weapons next week, right?
It's not a civil war, it's just "freedom loving people with a difference of opinion".
I would think rational souls would stop and take a deeper look at the foundation of those "different opinions" and ask themselves what that foundation really consists of.
Because if we do not, and they finally achieve their goal...their objective, we will have normalized people like David Koresh and sold off our allegiance to people who defended him with guns and bombs, people who have already spilled blood for Koresh.

These are not oath keepers, they're Koresh Defenders.
They defend two monsters, Koresh and the Nazi formerly known as Trump.
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Can younquote where he defended koresh?
 
Utility Man said:
If that makes you feel better, believe what you wish, seems to work for the cult really well.
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These are the people who are accusing me of being a "conspiracy theorist"
 
NYT reporting that this traitor is in custody.



Boom!
 
it's just me said:
These are the people who are accusing me of being a "conspiracy theorist"
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
The Oath Keepers did not want the American people to view them as an extremist militia, just a bunch of military and law enforcement who "care about the country", right?

"It was a Friday evening in June. Rhodes, 55, is a stocky man with a gray buzz cut, a wardrobe of tactical-casual attire, and a black eye patch. With him in his pickup were a pistol and a dusty black hat with the gold logo of the Oath Keepers, a militant group that has drawn in thousands of people from the military and law-enforcement communities.

Rhodes had been talking about civil war since he founded the Oath Keepers, in 2009. But now more people were listening. And whereas Rhodes had once cast himself as a revolutionary in waiting, he now saw his role as defending the president. He had put out a call for his followers to protect the country against what he was calling an “insurrection.” The unrest, he told me, was the latest attempt to undermine Donald Trump."

---But let's not call what happened at the Capitol "the first salvo in the Civil War"....we wouldn't want to exaggerate too much?
Let's just call that a "riot", right?

"Rhodes was deeply affected by the 1993 government siege outside Waco, Texas, which ended in the deaths of more than 70 members of an armed Christian sect, which to him showed the danger of government power."

Another far Right monster who took up the same cause that inspired Tim McVeigh to bomb the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.
But let's just ignore the fact that all of this hasn't been boiling under the surface ever since 1993, twenty-eight years.
Let's just ignore the fact that David Koresh and his "Christian" sect were really a cult that sexually assaulted eleven year old girls with the permission of their parents, they're just a church, right?
Let's just ignore the fact that these people have now promised to return to state Capitols in all 50 states with weapons next week, right?
It's not a civil war, it's just "freedom loving people with a difference of opinion".
I would think rational souls would stop and take a deeper look at the foundation of those "different opinions" and ask themselves what that foundation really consists of.
Because if we do not, and they finally achieve their goal...their objective, we will have normalized people like David Koresh and sold off our allegiance to people who defended him with guns and bombs, people who have already spilled blood for Koresh.

These are not oath keepers, they're Koresh Defenders.
They defend two monsters, Koresh and the Nazi formerly known as Trump.
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What a ridiculous post. Show some proof that Trump supported this, or that any but a few extremist did not condemn Koresh. And regardless of whatever Koresh was doing its irrelevant now and has nothing to do with Trump. Facts are fact and the federal authorities that stormed the Buildings at the Koresh compound contributed to the dead of women and children in their hasty and unnecessary attack. Time alone would have forced the people out. A military assualt was reckless and proved deadly to innocents. And I'm not in any way defending Koresh or loonies who fell in with his BS. Just saying sometimes our law enforcement agencies get a bit too gung ho.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
What do you interpret "deeply affected" to actually mean if one ignores the fact that Koresh was a monster?
That's some damn fine mental gymnastics.
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FIrst it’s not a direct quote from him, second, the rest of the sentence explains what it meant. IT wasn’t remotely defending koresh.
 
Antiwar said:
Hello.
Another excellent comment. "It's a tri-polar disconnect between left, right and oligarchy" frames it nicely.

Humanity's biggest problems are intertwined in the three given positions. The two biggest problems:

1. Earth is suffering. Humans ultimately and entirely depend on Earth's health.

2. People are suffering. No need to explain.

Both cases of suffering are UNNECESSARY.

Left: Wants to not only reduce but reverse the above suffering.

Right: Seems to see the status quo as being acceptable; essentially neutral or negative about 1 and 2.

Oligarchy: Profits and power; use up 1 and 2; aligns with the right (see above) but is more invested (pun intended) and more aggressive.
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Ummmm....@danielpalos is that you?
 
Simpletruther said:
FIrst it’s not a direct quote from him, second, the rest of the sentence explains what it meant. IT wasn’t remotely defending koresh.
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Again that is some more impressive mental gymnastics because you expect people to ignore that Waco rage is ALL ABOUT defending Koresh.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The Oath Keepers did not want the American people to view them as an extremist militia, just a bunch of military and law enforcement who "care about the country", right?

"It was a Friday evening in June. Rhodes, 55, is a stocky man with a gray buzz cut, a wardrobe of tactical-casual attire, and a black eye patch. With him in his pickup were a pistol and a dusty black hat with the gold logo of the Oath Keepers, a militant group that has drawn in thousands of people from the military and law-enforcement communities.

Rhodes had been talking about civil war since he founded the Oath Keepers, in 2009. But now more people were listening. And whereas Rhodes had once cast himself as a revolutionary in waiting, he now saw his role as defending the president. He had put out a call for his followers to protect the country against what he was calling an “insurrection.” The unrest, he told me, was the latest attempt to undermine Donald Trump."

---But let's not call what happened at the Capitol "the first salvo in the Civil War"....we wouldn't want to exaggerate too much?
Let's just call that a "riot", right?

"Rhodes was deeply affected by the 1993 government siege outside Waco, Texas, which ended in the deaths of more than 70 members of an armed Christian sect, which to him showed the danger of government power."

Another far Right monster who took up the same cause that inspired Tim McVeigh to bomb the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City.
But let's just ignore the fact that all of this hasn't been boiling under the surface ever since 1993, twenty-eight years.
Let's just ignore the fact that David Koresh and his "Christian" sect were really a cult that sexually assaulted eleven year old girls with the permission of their parents, they're just a church, right?
Let's just ignore the fact that these people have now promised to return to state Capitols in all 50 states with weapons next week, right?
It's not a civil war, it's just "freedom loving people with a difference of opinion".
I would think rational souls would stop and take a deeper look at the foundation of those "different opinions" and ask themselves what that foundation really consists of.
Because if we do not, and they finally achieve their goal...their objective, we will have normalized people like David Koresh and sold off our allegiance to people who defended him with guns and bombs, people who have already spilled blood for Koresh.

These are not oath keepers, they're Koresh Defenders.
They defend two monsters, Koresh and the Nazi formerly known as Trump.
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