Italians stoned to death in Cape Verde

[SgtRock]

I searched and I could not find any evidence of anyone other than muslims stoning people to death in modern times. If you can find this please post a link. Thankyou, Sgt Rock

 

[Hatuey]

If Im not mistaken that happened some 2000 years ago. We are talking about the 21st century.

I said stoning has been practiced by almost every religion. I didn't say they were still doing it. I simply said it's been done by all types of religious groups. Not just muslims.

 

[SgtRock]

I said stoning has been practiced by almost every religion. I didn't say they were still doing it. I simply said it's been done by all types of religious groups. Not just muslims.

Thats why I believe its time for muslims to join the 21st century.

 

[Inuyasha]

wcar@hrea.org - CERD 63rd session: Cape Verde presents periodic reports

CERD 63rd session: Cape Verde presents periodic reports




How do you two like your crow? BBQ or roasted?

Maybe YOU might be eating some crow here...after you finih you exercise program. Frozen or fresh? But jumping to conclusions isn't the best form of fitness. If they were "locals" I doubt they were muslims. Common sense...you know that phrase right? Here ya go.

Rome - One of two Italian women slain on a Cape Verde resort island in a brutal attack might have been alive when she was buried by her killers, said an Italian official on Sunday.
Because some dirt was found in her lungs, "it is presumed that perhaps Dalia could have been still alive when she was buried" after the attack on Thursday night, Italy's honorary consul in Cape Verde, Luigi Zirpoli, told Sky TG24 TV.
Zirpoli was referring to the post-mortem on one of the victims, identified in Italian news reports as 33-year-old Dalia Saiani from northern Italy.
The other victim, a 28-year-old, and a 17-year-old survivor were part of a group of Italians on a windsurfing vacation in Cape Verde, an archipelago off Africa's west coast.
Zirpoli said two local men had confessed to the killings while a third man had been released on bail because he apparently was not involved in the crime.
Jealous of victim
The other two "called him to (help) bury (the victims), but when he realised what they were doing, he refused", Zirpoli said.
The official said one of the attackers was jealous about Saiani.
He wanted to inflict "a heavy lesson because she refused" to resume a relationship they had some years ago, said Zirpoli.
It appeared from the initial post-mortem results that the victims were not sexually assaulted, said Zirpoli.
The consul said rocks and sticks were used in the attack.
First reports said the killers had dug a hole in the dirt near a wooded area near a beach to bury the women, but Zirpoli said the hole was already there.
Tried to SMS for help
A friend of the victims, a 17-year-old Italian, tried to send a text message from her cellphone for help when she saw her companions being attacked, said Zirpoli.
When the attackers realised this, they "hit her twice in the head with a very big stone. She fainted" and fell to the ground, he said.
When the survivor regained consciousness, "she ran away and remained hidden until dawn (on Friday), when she sought help at the nearest hotel", said the consul.
An Italian man who was among those who went to the burial site to help said he saw one of the woman's hands sticking out of the dirt.
"It was like a horror film," the man told Italian TV.
Woman possibly buried alive: World: News: News24

I'm just kinding..It was the Mjslims If it's not Clinton's or Bush's fault then it must be those Muslims.:roll: :roll:

 

[Gardener]

I said stoning has been practiced by almost every religion. I didn't say they were still doing it. I simply said it's been done by all types of religious groups. Not just muslims.

Then it's really a non sequitor, then, isn't it?

Since people who lived 2000 years ago cannot possibly be commiting acts today, and since the suspicion as to who might have commited the act today is based upon probability -- a probablity based upon which people are or are not commiting similar acts today -- then what occured in the distant past has no bearing on that probability.

 

[jallman]

BS...there are Muslims everywhere.....just because they are not listed in a book doesnt mean that there are no Muslims there....so stop being a typical liberal and run to their defense when you dont know the whole story......

Stop being a typical bigot and running to condemn some mysterious figure based on his supposed ethnicity when you don't know the whole story. :roll:

 

[Cold Dirt]

OK OK let's just blame it on the Musilms. After all they are easy to hate. Why don't we just get shotguns go out in the zstreet and kill every "sand ******" we see and be done with it. Happy now?

Glad your racist side has reared its ugly head......I take offence at your use of the n word and have reported (since I am reported all the time by your sissy libs) your racist slur to the mods......

so easy for you libs to scream racism yet I only see racism coming from the likes of you......but you are in your 60's....I bet you were flying your rebel flag and attacking every black man that only wanted equality....you get a few thumps in for the clan while you were at it?....you couldn't let those darkies tell you...a white man....what to do......:roll:

from here on out "racist", don't respond to any of my threads or posts....RACIST SOB'S LIKE YOU DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.......

 

[Cold Dirt]

Stop being a typical bigot and running to condemn some mysterious figure based on his supposed ethnicity when you don't know the whole story. :roll:

funny how you call me a bigot yet not a word from you to another lib about his use of the N word......typical......libs/dems can be racist and use racist slurs and nothing is said yet you guys are quick to call someone a racist or bigot........now who really is the bigot........

 

[jallman]

funny how you call me a bigot yet not a word from you to another lib about his use of the N word......typical......libs/Democrats can be racist and use racist slurs and nothing is said yet you guys are quick to call someone a racist or bigot........now who really is the bigot........

His use of the "n" word was not in context and was used as a sarcastic illustration, not a slur against anyone. If you took the time to use your head for something besides a place to rest a hat, then you might have noted that before you started foaming at the mouth.

And I stand by my assessment that your condemning an unknown figure or figures of unknown origin based on the unknown that they must be muslims that did this is, in fact, bigoted. I didn't say you were a bigot, but that your condemnation is typical of what a bigot would do.

Now get yourself a bib, dry off the foam around your mouth, and at least pretend to approach the conversation with some intellectual honesty rather than your unjustified anger.

 

[Jay R]

Cape Verde is an island nation off the coast of West Africa. Islam is a significant presence in West Africa. And lots of Africans have an unfortunate habit of jumping in boats and trying to sail to Europe. Along the way they find themselves reaching the small archipeligos off the African coast, notably the Canaries. Many of these boats now leave from Senegal as the Moroccans have clamped down on them, thus they have to pass Cape Verde on their way. It is therefore fairly likely that despite Islam not being prevalent in the official population that there may in fact be a significant number of, dare we say it, illegal aliens on Cape Verde who may be from West Africa and may even be Muslims.

Cape Verde's population is very mixed between descendants of black Africans and white Europeans, along with others from many places that have chosen to live there, including Americans Brazilians, Moroccan and Lebenese Arabs and Jews, and some Chinese, principally from Macau. As such while it is possible that there is an Islamic aspect to this crime it is by no means certain. As others have stated, stoning of one form or another is common to many cultures. And at the moment it appears that the burial aspect of the crime was an attempt to hide the bodies and not part of a stoning ritual.

Until details are released it would be foolish to assume anything about the perpetrators. If however, nothing is released then we can assume something of importance is being witheld.

 

[Hatuey]

Then it's really a non sequitor, then, isn't it?

Since people who lived 2000 years ago cannot possibly be commiting acts today, and since the suspicion as to who might have commited the act today is based upon probability -- a probablity based upon which people are or are not commiting similar acts today -- then what occured in the distant past has no bearing on that probability.

Most of the people who are already yelling out "It was muslims" probably hadn't even heard of Cape Verde before this incident. I bet you most wouldn't even be able to tell you where it is on a map. This is just people hearing "stoning" and screaming "yeah it was muslims" without knowing just what it was that happened. I haven't ruled out the possibility that it was muslims. However I wait to hear all the facts before yelling out accusations in the manner done by some of the people here.

 

[Flea]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha
OK OK let's just blame it on the Musilms. After all they are easy to hate. Why don't we just get shotguns go out in the zstreet and kill every "sand ******" we see and be done with it. Happy now?

Originally Posted by Cold Dirt
Glad your racist side has reared its ugly head......I take offence at your use of the n word and have reported (since I am reported all the time by your sissy libs) your racist slur to the mods......

Where do you see the "N" word?
I see "******".
Do you see something different?
I take that to mean "Kill Every Sand Person We See" personally.
I am not sure why he chose to bleep himself on that, but I am sure that the reason is a good one...do you realize that The Sand People were really mean to Luke and they practically destroyed C3-PO!?

 

[Hatuey]

Where do you see the "N" word?
I see "******".
Do you see something different?
I take that tp mean "Kill Every Sand Person We See" personally.
The Sand People were really mean to Luke and they practically destroyed C3-PO!

Racists see racist words where there aren't any.

 

[Flea]

Originally Posted by Hateuy
Racists see racist words where there aren't any

That is true, and most unfortunate.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Moderator's Warning:

OK, there are a couple of culprit here. I understand someone's sarcasm can be offensive. I'm strongly suggesting that y'all be aware of what you're saying, and, more importantly, DO NOT RETALIATE WITH PERSONAL ATTACKS. Keep things civil and on topic or futher consequences will ensue.

 

[Cold Dirt]

Where do you see the "N" word?
I see "******".
Do you see something different?
I take that to mean "Kill Every Sand Person We See" personally.
I am not sure why he chose to bleep himself on that, but I am sure that the reason is a good one...do you realize that The Sand People were really mean to Luke and they practically destroyed C3-PO!?

Then your a fool because only a dunderhead doesnt know the racist slang word for people from the ME as a sand "N".....funny how you libs are so quick to brand someone a racist if they are a republican......but make up excuses for a liberal racist......Hatuey the hack, is quick to run to the defence of ME terrorists....but when a fellow liberal is shown their racist side......he makes excuses when if it was the other way around....the punk would be whining and crying what a racist the person is for using a racist slang word for a person from the ME.......

 

[jallman]

Then your a fool because only a dunderhead doesnt know the racist slang word for people from the ME as a sand "N".....funny how you libs are so quick to brand someone a racist if they are a republican......but make up excuses for a liberal racist......Hatuey the hack, is quick to run to the defence of ME terrorists....but when a fellow liberal is shown their racist side......he makes excuses when if it was the other way around....the punk would be whining and crying what a racist the person is for using a racist slang word for a person from the ME.......

I always thought the slang word for a person from the ME was "towel head". :shrug:

 

[Hatuey]

Then your a fool because only a dunderhead doesnt know the racist slang word for people from the ME as a sand "N".....funny how you libs are so quick to brand someone a racist if they are a republican......but make up excuses for a liberal racist......Hatuey the hack, is quick to run to the defence of ME terrorists....but when a fellow liberal is shown their racist side......he makes excuses when if it was the other way around....the punk would be whining and crying what a racist the person is for using a racist slang word for a person from the ME.......

OK OK let's just blame it on the Musilms. After all they are easy to hate. Why don't we just get shotguns go out in the zstreet and kill every "sand ******" we see and be done with it. Happy now?

Where is the "N" word? Theres not even an N. Thank you for trying.

 

[Inuyasha]

Glad your racist side has reared its ugly head......I take offense at your use of the n word and have reported (since I am reported all the time by your sissy libs) your racist slur to the mods......

so easy for you libs to scream racism yet I only see racism coming from the likes of you......but you are in your 60's....I bet you were flying your rebel flag and attacking every black man that only wanted equality....you get a few thumps in for the clan while you were at it?....you couldn't let those darkies tell you...a white man....what to do......:roll:

from here on out "racist", don't respond to any of my threads or posts....RACIST SOB'S LIKE YOU DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY.......

Of course you are intelligent enough to realize (or maybe you are not, probably the later) that the expression was a sarcastic retort at your own devious expression kof eliteism and blatant racism. As far as being an SOB my mother is none of your racist business so sick it where the sun don't shine. That was cowardly insult but then you know that or again do you. I earned my right to live in this country or anywheres on the planet so you can stuff it if you don't like it. And i will respond to anyone anywhere and anytime i damn well please. How's that grab ya? You have no idea who or what i am. But who you are is obvious. i won't even bother to go there. You and you phony PC crap. Takes a racist to tell another doesn't it . Your whole reaction is a phony as a three dollar bill. I don't know who you are but you are dangerous to a Democratic society as are most ultras. Oh and BTW sounds like you must know a lot about the clan. Your phony indignace doesn't hid that in the least.

 

[Gardener]

I haven't ruled out the possibility that it was muslims. However I wait to hear all the facts before yelling out accusations in the manner done by some of the people here.

That all seems perfectly reasonable to me.


There is a middle ground somewhere between automatic vilification and automatic apologia, and while I think to just assume the perpetrators are Muslim is off base, so too do I think it off base to completely discount the possibility.

There are a couple of different probability lines here. One of them has to do with the probability the perps are Mulsim based upon the M.O. of the crime The other probability is based upon the liklihood they were Mulsim based upon occurance within the population. Without actually knowing more than we do about the perps, neither probablity approaches 100, so we really can't say.

What I am trying to get across is that if we are to evaluate according to probability based upon M.O., we need to look at the actions of people TODAY. We know for cetrain that Muslims DO stone women to death in this day and age. That doesn't mean that all Muslims do or all support such, only that it is coming from within that population. If another population DOESN"T stone women to death, then the probability is lower for members of that group. Some might call this racial profiling, but some might call it common sense. If 99.9999% of rapes are commited by men, that doesn't mean all men are rapists, but it would certainly be foolish to give women equal consideration to men as possible perpetrators of such in a case where the assailant is unknown.


The real insight here would be to know how many women are stoned to death each year and to know who is stoning them to death. If 20% of the stonings are commited by Muslims, then assuming the perpetrator is Mulsim is foolish. If this percentage is 99+% , then I would say assuming they weren't is foolish. Whatever claims as to what others HAVE done in the past is still irrelevant,though,as it does not answer the question of liklihood today.

We know Mulsims are known to stone women to death in present times. Who else also does? That's what we need to know in order to know whether any assumptions that the perps are Muslim are wildly off base or not.

 

[Hatuey]

That all seems perfectly reasonable to me.


There is a middle ground somewhere between automatic vilification and automatic apologia, and while I think to just assume the perpetrators are Muslim is off base, so too do I think it off base to completely discount the possibility.

There are a couple of different probability lines here. One of them has to do with the probability the perps are Mulsim based upon the M.O. of the crime The other probability is based upon the liklihood they were Mulsim based upon occurance within the population. Without actually knowing more than we do about the perps, neither probablity approaches 100, so we really can't say.

What I am trying to get across is that if we are to evaluate according to probability based upon M.O., we need to look at the actions of people TODAY. We know for cetrain that Muslims DO stone women to death in this day and age. That doesn't mean that all Muslims do or all support such, only that it is coming from within that population. If another population DOESN"T stone women to death, then the probability is lower for members of that group. Some might call this racial profiling, but some might call it common sense. If 99.9999% of rapes are commited by men, that doesn't mean all men are rapists, but it would certainly be foolish to give women equal consideration to men as possible perpetrators of such in a case where the assailant is unknown.


The real insight here would be to know how many women are stoned to death each year and to know who is stoning them to death. If 20% of the stonings are commited by Muslims, then assuming the perpetrator is Mulsim is foolish. If this percentage is 99+% , then I would say assuming they weren't is foolish. Whatever claims as to what others HAVE done in the past is still irrelevant,though,as it does not answer the question of liklihood today.

We know Mulsims are known to stone women to death in present times. Who else also does? That's what we need to know in order to know whether any assumptions that the perps are Muslim are wildly off base or not.

I have no problem with an educated guess. Some of the members on this forum have found it acceptable to yell out "muslim" everytime some crazy person does something. They dont even wait for all the facts to come out. This is not educated guessing. It is bigotry and ignorance and their very best.

 

[Cold Dirt]

Of course you are intelligent enough to realize (or maybe you are not, probably the later) that the expression was a sarcastic retort at your own devious expression kof eliteism and blatant racism. As far as being an SOB my mother is none of your racist business so sick it where the sun don't shine. That was cowardly insult but then you know that or again do you. I earned my right to live in this country or anywheres on the planet so you can stuff it if you don't like it. And i will respond to anyone anywhere and anytime i damn well please. How's that grab ya? You have no idea who or what i am. But who you are is obvious. i won't even bother to go there. You and you phony PC crap. Takes a racist to tell another doesn't it . Your whole reaction is a phony as a three dollar bill. I don't know who you are but you are dangerous to a Democratic society as are most ultras. Oh and BTW sounds like you must know a lot about the clan. Your phony indignace doesn't hid that in the least.

huh???? use English old fart....btw, what 60 year old man uses a cartoon as an avatar that is big with the teenage crowd?

Methinks....your nothing but a liar racist young punk.....

so to the meat of it....you admit youre a racist......

btw, while in middle school tomorrow, ask your teacher to teach you to spell.......

 

[jallman]

huh???? use English old fart....btw, what 60 year old man uses a cartoon as an avatar that is big with the teenage crowd?

Methinks....your nothing but a liar racist young punk.....

so to the meat of it....you admit youre a racist......

btw, while in middle school tomorrow, ask your teacher to teach you to spell.......

Wow...the juvenile schoolyard antics are never far behind you, are they?

 

[Cold Dirt]

Where is the "N" word? Theres not even an N. Thank you for trying.

its called a filter *******...see how it works or are you to damn ate up with ignorance to figure it out.....

 

[Hatuey]

its called a filter *******...see how it works or are you to damn ate up with ignorance to figure it out.....

LOL if there is a filter then obviously we dont know what he said now do we? .