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It Trump were in charge, the Ukraine conflict would likely be over by now

bubbabgone said:
I was concerned because from your op it looked like some horrible condition had deprived you of information for a very long time and subsequently you watched archived Maddow shows to catch up.
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Nope, it’s just an assessment of what’s going on
 
bubbabgone said:
I was concerned because from your op it looked like some horrible condition had deprived you of information for a very long time and subsequently you watched archived Maddow shows to catch up.
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Tis no secret.....

Trump repeatedly praised Putin.
Trump hired a pro Russian criminal to run his campaign.
Trump said it was good Russia invaded Crimea.
Trump made the 2016 GOP platform anti-Ukraine.
Trump repeatedly dismissed Russian hacking.
Trump capitalized on Russian meddling in 2016.
Trump denied Russian interference in 2016.
Trump undermined Russian sanctions.
Trump was open to lifting sanctions.
Trump would never say Putin was a killer.
Trump tried to return spy bases to Russia.
Trump gave Russia classified intel.
Trump repeatedly attacked NATO.
Trump had to be forced into signing new Russian sanctions.
Trump pushed for a joint cyber security unit with Russia.
Trump thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats from Russia.
Trump eased sanctions on Putin’s top oligarchs.
Trump congratulated Putin on his sham election.
Trump tried to rescind sanctions on Russia for poisoning a defector.
Trump blocked a US statement condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
Trump repeatedly praised far-right pro Russian leaders in Europe.
Trump refused to condemn Russia’s 2018 attack on Ukraine’s military.
Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Trump pushed to let Russia in the G-7.
Trump gave Syria to Russia.
Trump echoed Russian talking points on ISIS.
Trump spread Russian lies about Ukraine.
Trump froze US aid to Ukraine.
Trump smeared US Ambassador to Ukraine.
Trump tried to visit Putin on Russian soil.
Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid.
Trump invited Putin to 2020 G-7 Summit.
Trump ordered CIA to share Intel with Russia.
Trump ignored warnings of Russian bounties on our soldiers.
Trump called Russian bounty story a “hoax.”
 
post said:
You're projecting. RWE are only welcome in alt-facts

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Well,
1) It's a good thing that you've learned to scrub your posts to something that can be discussed. But can you keep it up?
2) Using a tweet about an impeachment accusation which had no foundation in fact is like using a tweet to support a tweet. You can do better ... or at least differently.
3) The link in the very same tweet noted "In March 2018, Mr. Trump approved the $47 million sale of 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 37 launchers to Ukraine. It was the first lethal military assistance that the U.S. provided to Ukraine in the separatist war. The Obama administration repeatedly expressed reluctance to sell the Javelin and other lethal weaponry to Kyiv for fear of provoking Russia and expanding the conflict.' " - Note the date of Trump's action and the reluctance was under Obama-Biden.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Tis no secret.....

Trump repeatedly praised Putin.
Trump hired a pro Russian criminal to run his campaign.
Trump said it was good Russia invaded Crimea.
Trump made the 2016 GOP platform anti-Ukraine.
Trump repeatedly dismissed Russian hacking.
Trump capitalized on Russian meddling in 2016.
Trump denied Russian interference in 2016.
Trump undermined Russian sanctions.
Trump was open to lifting sanctions.
Trump would never say Putin was a killer.
Trump tried to return spy bases to Russia.
Trump gave Russia classified intel.
Trump repeatedly attacked NATO.
Trump had to be forced into signing new Russian sanctions.
Trump pushed for a joint cyber security unit with Russia.
Trump thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats from Russia.
Trump eased sanctions on Putin’s top oligarchs.
Trump congratulated Putin on his sham election.
Trump tried to rescind sanctions on Russia for poisoning a defector.
Trump blocked a US statement condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
Trump repeatedly praised far-right pro Russian leaders in Europe.
Trump refused to condemn Russia’s 2018 attack on Ukraine’s military.
Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Trump pushed to let Russia in the G-7.
Trump gave Syria to Russia.
Trump echoed Russian talking points on ISIS.
Trump spread Russian lies about Ukraine.
Trump froze US aid to Ukraine.
Trump smeared US Ambassador to Ukraine.
Trump tried to visit Putin on Russian soil.
Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid.
Trump invited Putin to 2020 G-7 Summit.
Trump ordered CIA to share Intel with Russia.
Trump ignored warnings of Russian bounties on our soldiers.
Trump called Russian bounty story a “hoax.”
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If you had added the word "didn't" after the word "Trump" you might have had something.
But no matter, absent links you've achieved the same results.
 
With Trump in charge the freeze on aid to Ukraine would still be in force, and he would be in a fight with Congress over sanctions against Russia, since he would be unwilling to implement any.
 
tacomancer said:
For three reasons.

1. As the impeachment shows, he was actively helping Putin sabotage the coujtry
2. He was working on destabilizing NATO and the UN during his presidency
3. He capitulated to Russia repeatedly during his presidency with Belarus and the country of Georgia

Thank goodness we have Biden instead!
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If Trump were in charge this wouldn't be happening because Putin would have nothing to fear. That's what drives this move, fear, not boldness.
 
Has anyone listened to Trump's speech at CPAC re Ukraine? (Excerpt)

He called Russia's invasion an atrocity, a crime against humanity. He proposes it is because Biden is weak. He says he talked to Putin about Ukraine and he told Putin, "Don't try it." And that supposedly convinced Putin not to invade.

Now it's possible that Putin understood Trump is a crazy ass loose cannon, and didn't take chances. But it's also possible that Trump is as usual full of shit. You decide.

BTW, the huge crowd gave his remarks a very lukewarm reception, except when he said God bless Ukraine.

www.c-span.org

Former Pres. Trump Criticizes NATO Nations Amid Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Former President Donald Trump addressed the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando, Florida. The former president spoke about the achievements of his administration, including tax legislation, making energy independence, and border security. He also addressed Russia's...
www.c-span.org www.c-span.org
 
MaryP said:
Has anyone listened to Trump's speech at CPAC re Ukraine? (Excerpt)

He called Russia's invasion an atrocity, a crime against humanity. He proposes it is because Biden is weak. He says he talked to Putin about Ukraine and he told Putin, "Don't try it." And that supposedly convinced Putin not to invade.

Now it's possible that Putin understood Trump is a crazy ass loose cannon, and didn't take chances. But it's also possible that Trump is as usual full of shit. You decide.

BTW, the huge crowd gave his remarks a very lukewarm reception, except when he said God bless Ukraine.

www.c-span.org

Former Pres. Trump Criticizes NATO Nations Amid Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Former President Donald Trump addressed the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando, Florida. The former president spoke about the achievements of his administration, including tax legislation, making energy independence, and border security. He also addressed Russia's...
www.c-span.org www.c-span.org
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Trump was helping him against Ukraine do Putin was getting what he needed.
 
MaryP said:
Has anyone listened to Trump's speech at CPAC re Ukraine? (Excerpt)

He called Russia's invasion an atrocity, a crime against humanity. He proposes it is because Biden is weak. He says he talked to Putin about Ukraine and he told Putin, "Don't try it." And that supposedly convinced Putin not to invade.

Now it's possible that Putin understood Trump is a crazy ass loose cannon, and didn't take chances. But it's also possible that Trump is as usual full of shit. You decide.

BTW, the huge crowd gave his remarks a very lukewarm reception, except when he said God bless Ukraine.

www.c-span.org

Former Pres. Trump Criticizes NATO Nations Amid Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Former President Donald Trump addressed the annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando, Florida. The former president spoke about the achievements of his administration, including tax legislation, making energy independence, and border security. He also addressed Russia's...
www.c-span.org www.c-span.org
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Actions speak louder than words, his actions in the past proves he is bullshitting.
 
joluoto said:
Actions speak louder than words, his actions in the past proves he is bullshitting.
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Okay. Who am I to argue? I can't stand the guy. Trump takes a different approach to foreign relations, that's true. It's like listening to one mob boss talking about another. They don't worry about righteous condemnations from the pulpit, they call a spade a spade. Is Putin crafty? An adversary to respect for the damage he has and will cause? I think so. There has been a lot of quoting out of context (see Pompeo) and accusations that don't hold up here. This is a tragedy of historic proportions and we don't need the partisan ankle biters dancing on the Ukranians' graves to get in one more 'GOP Bad' point. People need to stoppit and work together against this Russian bastard.
 
tacomancer said:
Yes I tend to try and curate news sources that give an accurate portrayal of reality. Everyone should be doing that.
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What are your typical news sources each day?
 
bubbabgone said:
Don't be shy. Sure you do.
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It is a combination of what shows up on google news, apple news, and twitter, supplemented with searches on Google, and DuckDuckGo.
 
tacomancer said:
It is a combination of what shows up on google news, apple news, and twitter, supplemented with searches on Google, and DuckDuckGo.
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Everyone knows Google and Twitter censors. How could you expect to get anything useful there?
 
bubbabgone said:
Everyone knows Google and Twitter censors. How could you expect to get anything useful there?
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What it censors tends to be useless drivel only believed by people who are unable to fully function in modern society. I am fine with not being lied to about ivermectin or being fed conspiracy theories about a deep state, lizard people, or (((globalists))).
 
tacomancer said:
For three reasons.

1. As the impeachment shows, he was actively helping Putin sabotage the coujtry
2. He was working on destabilizing NATO and the UN during his presidency
3. He capitulated to Russia repeatedly during his presidency with Belarus and the country of Georgia

Thank goodness we have Biden instead!
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Which is how pathetic Trump terrorists are, claiming Biden is weak and Trump would have stopped Putin. Everyting that POS did was to help russia and putin. They are showing they are full on terrorists at this point
 
tacomancer said:
What it censors tends to be useless drivel only believed by people who are unable to fully function in modern society. I am fine with not being lied to about ivermectin or being fed conspiracy theories about a deep state, lizard people, or (((globalists))).
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If you've become comfortable having someone censor what you read then they're happy that you're happy.
 
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