It snowed in Malibu

[Antiwar]

"That's not something you see very often."

 

[Tim the plumber]

Global warming. Obviously.

Can't possibly be just one of those things that happens rarely.

 

[istodolez]

Global warming. Obviously.

Can't possibly be just one of those things that happens rarely.

I really dislike it when EITHER side uses a single event to somehow draw some larger conclusion about global climate change. That isn't how this all works. It is the summation of tons and tons of events that, collectively, point toward AGW. But each individual data point is nothing more than an anecdote.

 

[Tim the plumber]

I really dislike it when EITHER side uses a single event to somehow draw some larger conclusion about global climate change. That isn't how this all works. It is the summation of tons and tons of events that, collectively, point toward AGW. But each individual data point is nothing more than an anecdote.

The world has warmed since about 1820.

It has been a 2 steps forward 1 back knid of thing.

Today's temperature is only high compared to the instrumental record because we have such a small, recent instrumental record.

There have been lots of times, in fact more than half, since 10,000 years ago that have been warmeer than today.

 

[istodolez]

The world has warmed since about 1820.

It has been a 2 steps forward 1 back knid of thing.

Today's temperature is only high compared to the instrumental record because we have such a small, recent instrumental record.

Thank heavens we don't need to rely SOLELY on the instrumental record!

In fact the idea of proxy thermal measurement is pretty well known throughout geology. I'm willing to bet that a great deal of the things you use everyday had, at some point, in their past a geologic process whose paleotemperature was measured by proxy.

There have been lots of times, in fact more than half, since 10,000 years ago that have been warmeer than today.

Agreed. But BECAUSE we know it was warmer and BECAUSE we know humans weren't the primary cause we can learn how NATURAL forcings work. Interestingly enough we can't rely on natural forcings alone to explain the warming we've seen the past 50 years.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Thank heavens we don't need to rely SOLELY on the instrumental record!

In fact the idea of proxy thermal measurement is pretty well known throughout geology. I'm willing to bet that a great deal of the things you use everyday had, at some point, in their past a geologic process whose paleotemperature was measured by proxy.



Agreed. But BECAUSE we know it was warmer and BECAUSE we know humans weren't the primary cause we can learn how NATURAL forcings work. Interestingly enough we can't rely on natural forcings alone to explain the warming we've seen the past 50 years.

I don't think it is credable that "we" know what caused all the climate fluctuations of the past.

What caused the little ice age?

 

[Antiwar]

Another piece of the puzzle they're talking about is the 'atmospheric stream,' IIRC(?).
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Speaking of global warming, someone that seems very knowledgeable summed it up with something to the effect of "altering the natural water cycle.'

 

[longview]

Another piece of the puzzle they're talking about is the 'atmospheric stream,' IIRC(?).
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Speaking of global warming, someone that seems very knowledgeable summed it up with something to the effect of "altering the natural water cycle.'

Didn't they call that the pineapple express a few years ago?
Pineapple express

 

[Antiwar]

Didn't they call that the pineapple express a few years ago?
Pineapple express

Idahno.