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It is vital that the U.S. destroy China within the next 20 years.

Dayton3

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According to National Defense Magazine (NationalDefenseMagazine.org) China plans to field a "world class military" by 2049. This cannot be allowed to happen. China fielding a world class military combined with their economic strength and the international political appeal of their "prosperous autocracy" model will be detrimental to both the short and long term interests of the United States.

This cannot be allowed to happen. While I don't support anything approaching genocide of China their military must be effectively destroyed and their economy set back for a minimum of 30 years (50 years would be better).

To this end the U.S. must

1) Prepare its nuclear arsenal to be capable of destroying the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons on the ground in a first strike.
2) Failing that, deploy conventional weapons of sufficient type and quantity to do the same thing to the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons in a first strike.
3) Dramatically expand our ballistic missile defenses so they can stop the remains of a Chinese counterstrike.
4) Build up large enough naval forces to enable the U.S. to utterly destroy the Chinese navy and still have sufficient reserves to deal with other naval/air continencies around the world.
5) Strengthen ties with nations near China including South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia and above all, Taiwan.
6) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive cyber warfare capabilities.
7) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive space warfare capabilities.
8) Establish a plan for long term U.S. and allied military occupation of key areas in China in the post war era.
9) Begin steadily building the popular political support for the conflict in the United States.

The war is coming. And only by planning to fight it in 2040 will the U.S. give it and its allies the cushion it needs before 2049.
 
How about instead of making war a self-fulfilling prophecy we go about forming a global trading network among countries surrounding China so that they won't be forced to be economically dependent on them?

Oh wait... we had that with the Trans-Pacific Partnership until President Trump, in his infinite wisdom, decided to nix it.
 
Cordelier said:
How about instead of making war a self-fulfilling prophecy we go about forming a global trading network among countries surrounding China so that they won't be forced to be economically dependent on them?

Oh wait... we had that with the Trans-Pacific Partnership until President Trump, in his infinite wisdom, decided to nix it.
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Trade won't stop the Chinese.
 
Dayton3 said:
According to National Defense Magazine (NationalDefenseMagazine.org) China plans to field a "world class military" by 2049. This cannot be allowed to happen. China fielding a world class military combined with their economic strength and the international political appeal of their "prosperous autocracy" model will be detrimental to both the short and long term interests of the United States.

This cannot be allowed to happen. While I don't support anything approaching genocide of China their military must be effectively destroyed and their economy set back for a minimum of 30 years (50 years would be better).

To this end the U.S. must

1) Prepare its nuclear arsenal to be capable of destroying the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons on the ground in a first strike.
2) Failing that, deploy conventional weapons of sufficient type and quantity to do the same thing to the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons in a first strike.
3) Dramatically expand our ballistic missile defenses so they can stop the remains of a Chinese counterstrike.
4) Build up large enough naval forces to enable the U.S. to utterly destroy the Chinese navy and still have sufficient reserves to deal with other naval/air continencies around the world.
5) Strengthen ties with nations near China including South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia and above all, Taiwan.
6) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive cyber warfare capabilities.
7) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive space warfare capabilities.
8) Establish a plan for long term U.S. and allied military occupation of key areas in China in the post war era.
9) Begin steadily building the popular political support for the conflict in the United States.

The war is coming. And only by planning to fight it in 2040 will the U.S. give it and its allies the cushion it needs before 2049.
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Yawn. We know you are itching for a genocidal war but put a sock in it.
 
Candidly I think it's to late. China has already won this contest. Getting MOST their missiles isn't good enough. Would be hard to get support to kill one billion Chinese. China's industrial capacity is 100 times ours. Our society can not even function without Chinese products. They are ahead of use on hacking and surpassing us on computers. The have greater economic power over other countries than we do in increasing numbers of countries. They literally own huge pieces of the United States - more than any other country. How much of China do we own?

It is too late for offensive actions or even offense strategy. Our strategy should be defensive. Defensive militarily and economically. The later means restoring our manufacturing capabilities by government subsidizing. Think of how much that could be if we didn't plow gzillions of dollars into the ME. Europe. The Asian Theater. Just about everywhere in the world?

Clearly, CHINA is the enemy. Sadly, it appears likely the next president will be Beijing Biden. He's not going to do jacks..t to China. Maybe some tough talk, but China will be his master in relation to Chinese foreign economic policy.
 
US militarism has the most military outposts by far, the most military spending by far, the most nuclear weapons by far, sells the most weapons internationally by far, etc, etc.

Have you ever considered that other countries might see US as the problem?

You want to spend more money on militarism? You want to ratchet up US militarism even more? Maybe if we stopped ratcheting up and throwing our weight around other countries might not feel the need to protect themselves from US. The US pretty much has guns (including nuclear weapons) pointed at the world.

We need to find better ways to deal with geopolitical issues. That starts with US.
 
Cordelier said:
How about instead of making war a self-fulfilling prophecy we go about forming a global trading network among countries surrounding China so that they won't be forced to be economically dependent on them?

Oh wait... we had that with the Trans-Pacific Partnership until President Trump, in his infinite wisdom, decided to nix it.
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This is one of the biggest mistakes Trump made. We were going to have real leverage against the Chinese to get them to be more democratic and more accepting of international ideals. He tossed it out like it was nothing. No foresight.
 
Dayton3 said:
According to National Defense Magazine (NationalDefenseMagazine.org) China plans to field a "world class military" by 2049. This cannot be allowed to happen. China fielding a world class military combined with their economic strength and the international political appeal of their "prosperous autocracy" model will be detrimental to both the short and long term interests of the United States.

This cannot be allowed to happen. While I don't support anything approaching genocide of China their military must be effectively destroyed and their economy set back for a minimum of 30 years (50 years would be better).

To this end the U.S. must

1) Prepare its nuclear arsenal to be capable of destroying the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons on the ground in a first strike.
2) Failing that, deploy conventional weapons of sufficient type and quantity to do the same thing to the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons in a first strike.
3) Dramatically expand our ballistic missile defenses so they can stop the remains of a Chinese counterstrike.
4) Build up large enough naval forces to enable the U.S. to utterly destroy the Chinese navy and still have sufficient reserves to deal with other naval/air continencies around the world.
5) Strengthen ties with nations near China including South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia and above all, Taiwan.
6) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive cyber warfare capabilities.
7) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive space warfare capabilities.
8) Establish a plan for long term U.S. and allied military occupation of key areas in China in the post war era.
9) Begin steadily building the popular political support for the conflict in the United States.

The war is coming. And only by planning to fight it in 2040 will the U.S. give it and its allies the cushion it needs before 2049.
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Nature abhors a vacuum, and it's fairly obvious that we're in decline. If the Chinese weren't poised to overtake us, someone else would be. It increasingly seems to me that anti-China sentiment serves to distract from the fundamental issues plaguing this country

It's also futile, as the chances of our elite coming to see a group of nominally left-wing non-whites as true enemies worthy of the Axis treatment, is approximately zero. Absolute best case scenario is that the American establishment comes to see China like the USSR, as an annoying competitor in need of containment.
 
Dayton3 said:
According to National Defense Magazine (NationalDefenseMagazine.org) China plans to field a "world class military" by 2049. This cannot be allowed to happen. China fielding a world class military combined with their economic strength and the international political appeal of their "prosperous autocracy" model will be detrimental to both the short and long term interests of the United States.

This cannot be allowed to happen. While I don't support anything approaching genocide of China their military must be effectively destroyed and their economy set back for a minimum of 30 years (50 years would be better).

To this end the U.S. must

1) Prepare its nuclear arsenal to be capable of destroying the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons on the ground in a first strike.
2) Failing that, deploy conventional weapons of sufficient type and quantity to do the same thing to the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons in a first strike.
3) Dramatically expand our ballistic missile defenses so they can stop the remains of a Chinese counterstrike.
4) Build up large enough naval forces to enable the U.S. to utterly destroy the Chinese navy and still have sufficient reserves to deal with other naval/air continencies around the world.
5) Strengthen ties with nations near China including South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia and above all, Taiwan.
6) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive cyber warfare capabilities.
7) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive space warfare capabilities.
8) Establish a plan for long term U.S. and allied military occupation of key areas in China in the post war era.
9) Begin steadily building the popular political support for the conflict in the United States.

The war is coming. And only by planning to fight it in 2040 will the U.S. give it and its allies the cushion it needs before 2049.
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Dayton3:

So you want to wage a first-strike nuclear war which could wipeout 20% of the human race so that about 4.5% of the human race can feel like they're in control for a little longer? Europe is a growing economic bloc which is less and less aligned with American interests. Are you going to nuke Europe too? Or do they look too much like you to be nuked? How about the emerging powerhouse of India? Are you going to launch nuclear first-strikes across the sub-continent too? My argument if I chose to make it (and I don't) would be that from humanity's point of view an incredibly intensive conventional and preemptive first-strike against certain parts of Arkansa might be necessary on a humanitarian basis in order to save human lives and to prevent an extinction level event. Fortunately, I would never make such an argument because I am not a sociopath with a desire to see nuclear-weapon-based genocide occur in the service of fatter wallets and strutting ultra-nationalists crowing, "We're number one!"

Oy Vey and be well.
Not-nearly-as-evil-as-some-here-roddy.
 
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Dayton3 said:
According to National Defense Magazine (NationalDefenseMagazine.org) China plans to field a "world class military" by 2049. This cannot be allowed to happen. China fielding a world class military combined with their economic strength and the international political appeal of their "prosperous autocracy" model will be detrimental to both the short and long term interests of the United States.

This cannot be allowed to happen. While I don't support anything approaching genocide of China their military must be effectively destroyed and their economy set back for a minimum of 30 years (50 years would be better).

To this end the U.S. must

1) Prepare its nuclear arsenal to be capable of destroying the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons on the ground in a first strike.
2) Failing that, deploy conventional weapons of sufficient type and quantity to do the same thing to the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons in a first strike.
3) Dramatically expand our ballistic missile defenses so they can stop the remains of a Chinese counterstrike.
4) Build up large enough naval forces to enable the U.S. to utterly destroy the Chinese navy and still have sufficient reserves to deal with other naval/air continencies around the world.
5) Strengthen ties with nations near China including South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia and above all, Taiwan.
6) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive cyber warfare capabilities.
7) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive space warfare capabilities.
8) Establish a plan for long term U.S. and allied military occupation of key areas in China in the post war era.
9) Begin steadily building the popular political support for the conflict in the United States.

The war is coming. And only by planning to fight it in 2040 will the U.S. give it and its allies the cushion it needs before 2049.
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Nobody loves war so much as the people who will never fight it
 
Some people feel that China's main goal is defense.

They feel that China would not be crazy enough to start an offensive war against the West (or Japan). The consequence would be the end of the Communist dictatorship.
 
I have no desire to kill a large number of the Chinese people. I've seen studies by nuclear weapons experts that the U.S. back just a decade or so ago could destroy the vast majority of land based Chinese nuclear missiles while killing only about 800,000 Chinese. And with improved missile accuracy that total can well be reduced significantly.
 
Dayton3 said:
I have no desire to kill a large number of the Chinese people. I've seen studies by nuclear weapons experts that the U.S. back just a decade or so ago could destroy the vast majority of land based Chinese nuclear missiles while killing only about 800,000 Chinese. And with improved missile accuracy that total can well be reduced significantly.
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800,000 people. My god that is disgusting
 
Dayton3 said:
Trade won't stop the Chinese.
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Stop them doing what exactly? All they seem to be doing is exactly the same thing you want America to do. The problem with nationalist self-interest is that there are lots of other nations. You'd have to destroy them all to get what (you think) you want.
 
Evilroddy said:
Dayton3:

So you want to wage a first-strike nuclear war which could wipeout 20% of the human race so that about 4.5% of the human race can feel like they're in control for a little longer? Europe is a growing economic bloc which is less and less aligned with American interests. Are you going to nuke Europe too? Or do they look too much like you to be nuked? How about the emerging powerhouse of India? Are you going to launch nuclear first-strikes across the sub-continent too?.
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I'm quite sure once China is dealt with any other potential rivals to the U.S. in the short and mid terms will "get the message" and fall into line.
 
I'm willing to bet the Chinese have no more desire for a nuclear war with the U.S. than most rational people in the U.S. have. There is a reason that there have been no wars between major world powers in 80 years. Once the line of fire extended from the front lines to the people actually making the decisions, (whose families can now be killed with a nuclear bomb just as easily as a soldier on the front lines), they decided hey you know what maybe not with this war thing.
 
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