It is official now: Biden has won most Super Tuesday delegates

[Surrealistik]

Again, like I've already explained, a stent does not reverse cardiomyopathy, which is what typically lowers the ejection fraction. The heart muscle, if suffering from atrophy due to low perfusion, does not grow back even when you re-vascularize.

So, you're not seeing it. No wonder. You can't *see* the heart function just by looking at someone or listening to his debate answers. You'd need an EKG and an echo to "see" it. You can also prevent arrhythmias that might lead to confusion and fainting, with medication; you can also mask the more visible consequences of congestive heart failure by giving diuretics before an event. If Bernie's personal physician gives him an IV shot of Lasix before a debate, you're not likely to "see" shortness of breath. But you can't keep compensating it forever. A very low ejection fraction points to very bad prognosis and very curtailed life expectancy. You can keep the person functioning but at one point it all goes down the drains, unless you perform a heart transplant. By the way, at his age, a heart transplant can also cause huge cognitive issues; some patients of his age can get half-demented after extensive extra-corporeal circulation, and the prognosis at his age for a major surgery like this is somber.

You are mixing up the vessels part, with the muscle part. A stent can correct a heart perfusion blockade and if it's all that it is, fine, people can do well. But myocardiopathy with low ejection fraction can't be corrected with a stent, as it is a muscular issue, not a vascular issue. Sure, it is often caused by the vascular issue, but it acquires a life of its own, so to speak.

Yeah, I agree about Tulsi, my including her was a bit of tongue-in-cheek.

I'm getting it perfectly well.

Neither Biden nor Sanders have released important medical information they should.

Meanwhile, again, as I've repeatedly said, the fundamental thing is that there is thus far zero (0) demonstrable evidence of Sanders actually having serious heart issues whether that be ejection fraction problems, or heart muscle issues. I'm not pointing to Sanders' public appearances and ostensible health as a smoking gun or proof positive that he doesn't have heart issues; I'm saying that what I can see thus far doesn't really lend itself to the idea he has them.

There are, conversely, comparatively abundant and glaring symptoms of Biden's mental decline.

 

[GreatNews2night]

I never defended Sanders' refusal to release his health records; I think he should because yes, it's material.

I remember a friend of mine, a computer engineer, giving me advice when I needed to buy a high-performing desktop. We compared different advertised options. I liked one of the options and asked him, "why not this one; it seems good with all these features, right?" He said, "no, don't buy this one. The motherboard is not good." I said, "Huh, it doesn't say anything about the motherboard, how do you know it is not good?" He said, "because the info is not there, therefore it is a weakness they are trying to hide." Very true... we called up the vendor, he inquired specifically about the motherboard, and it was a low-performing model that my friend did not recommend.

I'll say, if Bernie changed his mind about releasing his health records after his heart attack, it is almost guaranteed that the info there is not good.

This is why, rumor or not, I find that the info my friend got from his friend, is actually quite likely, regardless of the degrees of separation.

 

[Perotista]

The democrat party knew if they had a socialist going into the general they would surely loose. And Biden is the 2020 version of Mondale.

Big difference between trump and Reagan. Reagan had a 61% overall approval ratings in Nov 1984 vs. Trump's 45% as of today. Americans gave Reagan a 70% favorable/30% unfavorable ratings in Nov of 1984 vs. Trumps 41% favorable/54% unfavorable. Reagan was well liked by a majority of Americans, Trump isn't.

It will be a very close race regardless of who wins. If Trump personality was more like Reagan's than Trump's. He might breeze to reelection. But it's not.

 

[Surrealistik]

I remember a friend of mine, a computer engineer, giving me advice when I needed to buy a high-performing desktop. We compared different advertised options. I liked one of the options and asked him, "why not this one; it seems good with all these features, right?" He said, "no, don't buy this one. The motherboard is not good." I said, "Huh, it doesn't say anything about the motherboard, how do you know it is not good?" He said, "because the info is not there, therefore it is a weakness they are trying to hide." Very true... we called up the vendor, he inquired specifically about the motherboard, and it was a low-performing model that my friend did not recommend.

I'll say, if Bernie changed his mind about releasing his health records after his heart attack, it is almost guaranteed that the info there is not good.

This is why, rumor or not, I find that the info my friend got from his friend, is actually quite likely, regardless of the degrees of separation.

I think it's probable that there is something unflattering.

So too is it with Biden though, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm more concerned about mental deficiencies in office, particularly given how difficult Trump has been to extricate, versus physical ones where the president drops dead and a quality VP stands ready to inherit the office.

 

[CaughtInThe]

You guys are underestimating Donald Trump. The guy is like the mafia and we haven't seen 1/10th of the nasty crap he (and his media/fanboys/Putin) are gonna pull to get him reelected.

 

[GreatNews2night]

I think it's probable that there is something unflattering.

So too is it with Biden though, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm more concerned about mental deficiencies in office, particularly given how difficult Trump has been to extricate, versus physical ones where the president drops dead and a quality VP stands ready to inherit the office.

True, as long as you realize that BOTH likely have serious issues. But then, the incumbent has serious issues too, so... I'm not sure the health of these three men should be the decisive factor in choosing among them. It's not like one of them is a young and healthy person.

Just like Bernie may drop dead and a quality VP may stand ready to inherit the office, Biden may get elected, his dementia may worsen, he may resign and a quality VP may stand ready to inherit the office.

My point is, you were very vocal in attacking Biden's fitness, while severely minimizing (people with stent get better than before, etc) Bernie's fitness issues.

Both are sick old men.

I am more interested in one of them kicking Trump out of the White House. Once this is accomplished, if one of them fails, hopefully he'll have a good VP.

I'd like to have President Stacey Abrams!

 

[GreatNews2night]

You guys are underestimating Donald Trump. The guy is like the mafia and we haven't seen 1/10th of the nasty crap he (and his media/fanboys/Putin) are gonna pull to get him reelected.

I never underestimated him. I kept posting that he is the favorite. I posted against over-confident people. I said it's an uphill battle. I mentioned that the Republicans will use every dirty trick in the books. And even if all the tricks fail and they lose, I'm not even certain that Trump will concede and leave office. He will probably cry fraud, state that millions of illegals voted, challenge the results in court. And my fear is, the courts have now been filled to the bring with his nominees. His gun nuts supporters will threaten civil war. It will be a mess.

 

[Surrealistik]

True, as long as you realize that BOTH likely have serious issues. But then, the incumbent has serious issues too, so... I'm not sure the health of these three men should be the decisive factor in choosing among them. It's not like one of them is a young and healthy person.

Just like Bernie may drop dead and a quality VP may stand ready to inherit the office, Biden may get elected, his dementia may worsen, he may resign and a quality VP may stand ready to inherit the office.

My point is, you were very vocal in attacking Biden's fitness, while severely minimizing (people with stent get better than before, etc) Bernie's fitness.

Both are sick old men.

I more interested in one of them kicking Trump out of the White House. Once this is accomplished, if one of them fails, hopefully he'll have a good VP.

I'd like to have President Stacey Abrams!

Well besides there being an admitted bias, I do think mental deficits are harder to cleanly resolve than the president y'know, just dying off, and a mentally deficient president is one that can do a lot of damage in the interim. Forcing out such a president who doesn't wish to go is no easy task as we've seen.

Also, as stated, Biden's issues are more clear than Sanders'; the former's is in plain sight, the latter's is alleged.

Further, I do think that Biden's apparent mental deficits are going to be a huge obstacle in the general election; bigger than anything facing Sanders.

Sure, either would be better than Trump, but this is the summation of why I think Biden's problems are more significant on the whole.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I never underestimated him. I kept posting that he is the favorite. I posted against over-confident people. I said it's an uphill battle. I mentioned that the Republicans will use every dirty trick in the books. And even if all the tricks fail and they lose, I'm not even certain that Trump will concede and leave office. He will probably cry fraud, state that millions of illegals voted, challenge the results in court. And my fear is, the courts have now been filled to the bring with his nominees. His gun nuts supporters will threaten civil war. It will be a mess.

Watching Trump is like watching Chicago politicians in the 1950s.

 

[MovingPictures]

True, as long as you realize that BOTH likely have serious issues. But then, the incumbent has serious issues too, so... I'm not sure the health of these three men should be the decisive factor in choosing among them. It's not like one of them is a young and healthy person.

Just like Bernie may drop dead and a quality VP may stand ready to inherit the office, Biden may get elected, his dementia may worsen, he may resign and a quality VP may stand ready to inherit the office.

My point is, you were very vocal in attacking Biden's fitness, while severely minimizing (people with stent get better than before, etc) Bernie's fitness issues.

Both are sick old men.

I am more interested in one of them kicking Trump out of the White House. Once this is accomplished, if one of them fails, hopefully he'll have a good VP.

I'd like to have President Stacey Abrams!

Here's a video from 2004 of Biden speaking at the National Stuttering Association, where you can see he doesn't guard his stutter like he chose to do in most interviews. He sounds EXACTLY like he does now.





Frankly, there is a cognitive decline, but most of what we're seeing Biden has been with us since the 90's.

There's plenty to go after Biden on within his record without accusing him of having dementia. :roll:

 

[GreatNews2night]

Further, I do think that Biden's apparent mental deficits are going to be a huge obstacle in the general election; bigger than anything facing Sanders.

Maybe. On the other hand, likely the worse that can happen is that Biden will have some senior moments during debates - Trump is not without those, either. But see, this election is very polarized. People who are for Trump are for Trump, period, and will vote for him no matter what, even if he proverbially shoots someone on 5th Avenue. People who are against Trump will vote for the Dem nominee, even if he is the Devil incarnate. I think the number of undecided voters who might be influenced by a debate performance will be very low.

A caller in one of the talk shows I listened to on March 4th when I was driving all day long, was asked about issues these candidates may be facing, and he answered "I couldn't care less. However good or bad or flawed or not the Democratic Party nominee is, I'll vote for him. I just want Trump out."

Take my case. Do you think that if Biden forgets Obama's name during a debate, I'll suddenly change my vote to Trump??? There is no f......g way.

No, the election will not be decided upon these issues. It will be decided upon turnout. 44% of Americans approve Trump; unfortunately they are very good at showing up to vote. 54% of Americans disapprove of Trump. We need to get them to go vote. As of now, the evidence points to Biden being able to generate a bigger turnout than Bernie.

As you know, this is my main concern. I supported Bernie when I thought he would generate the biggest turnout. As he didn't, I switched to Biden for the very same reason.

Frankly, if one drops dead after Inauguration or the other one is declared incompetent after the Inauguration, I won't say I couldn't care less, but if they have a good VP, I'll care little.

And I somehow doubt that convivial Uncle Biden, as demented as he might be, is likely to go pushing nuclear launch buttons. If he gets too impaired, more likely he'll just resign.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Of course I don't desire it, VERY far from it, but just saying: if Bernie Sanders indeed has a low ejection fraction and he catches the coronavirus, he is a goner. Biden would be less likely to die, if his only health issue is dementia.

 

[MovingPictures]

Maybe. On the other hand, likely the worse that can happen is that Biden will have some senior moments during debates - Trump is not without those, either. But see, this election is very polarized. People who are for Trump are for Trump, period, and will vote for him no matter what, even if he proverbially shoots someone on 5th Avenue. People who are against Trump will vote for the Dem nominee, even if he is the Devil incarnate. I think the number of undecided voters who might be influenced by a debate performance will be very low.

A caller in one of the talk shows I listened to on March 4th when I was driving all day long, was asked about issues these candidates may be facing, and he answered "I couldn't care less. However good or bad or flawed or not the Democratic Party nominee is, I'll vote for him. I just want Trump out."

Take my case. Do you think that if Biden forgets Obama's name during a debate, I'll suddenly change my vote to Trump??? There is no f......g way.

No, the election will not be decided upon these issues. It will be decided upon turnout. 44% of Americans approve Trump; unfortunately they are very good at showing up to vote. 54% of Americans disapprove of Trump. We need to get them to go vote. As of now, the evidence points to Biden being able to generate a bigger turnout than Bernie.

As you know, this is my main concern. I supported Bernie when I thought he would generate the biggest turnout. As he didn't, I switched to Biden for the very same reason.

Frankly, if one drops dead after Inauguration or the other one is declared incompetent after the Inauguration, I won't say I couldn't care less, but if they have a good VP, I'll care little.

And I somehow doubt that convivial Uncle Biden, as demented as he might be, is likely to go pushing nuclear launch buttons. If he gets too impaired, more likely he'll just resign.

We all talk about this stuff like it's something that voters take seriously, or examine as closely as we do, when the reality is that they often see stupid gaffes or questionable cognitive abilities as charming.

I've heard people that voted for Bush that said that in his later years he declined, and I'm just like "really?". It's like they never heard the guy speak before he was unpopular. Bush said "put food on your family!" and "childrens, do learn!" and people ate that **** up, including independents and moderates. They knew he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, and they still voted for him.

Trump literally tries to forge weather map with Sharpie pens, pontificates about stopping a hurricane via a nuclear bomb, says warm weather contains viruses, and just sounds ... stupid and deranged beyond help.

 

[Surrealistik]

Maybe. On the other hand, likely the worse that can happen is that Biden will have some senior moments during debates - Trump is not without those, either. But see, this election is very polarized. People who are for Trump are for Trump, period, and will vote for him no matter what, even if he proverbially shoots someone on 5th Avenue. People who are against Trump will vote for the Dem nominee, even if he is the Devil incarnate. I think the number of undecided voters who might be influenced by a debate performance will be very low.

A caller in one of the talk shows I listened to on March 4th when I was driving all day long, was asked about issues these candidates may be facing, and he answered "I couldn't care less. However good or bad or flawed or not the Democratic Party nominee is, I'll vote for him. I just want Trump out."

Take my case. Do you think that if Biden forgets Obama's name during a debate, I'll suddenly change my vote to Trump??? There is no f......g way.

No, the election will not be decided upon these issues. It will be decided upon turnout. 44% of Americans approve Trump; unfortunately they are very good at showing up to vote. 54% of Americans disapprove of Trump. We need to get them to go vote. As of now, the evidence points to Biden being able to generate a bigger turnout than Bernie.

As you know, this is my main concern. I supported Bernie when I thought he would generate the biggest turnout. As he didn't, I switched to Biden for the very same reason.

Frankly, if one drops dead after Inauguration or the other one is declared incompetent after the Inauguration, I won't say I couldn't care less, but if they have a good VP, I'll care little.

And I somehow doubt that convivial Uncle Biden, as demented as he might be, is likely to go pushing nuclear launch buttons. If he gets too impaired, more likely he'll just resign.

While I fully agree that Trump has his own share of embarrassing moments, the unfortunate reality is that people don't seem to care; his infamous teflon applies (that and fatigued indifference). The same is unfortunately not true of Biden, and to be honest, his gaffes and lapses have become more consistent and severe. It's not merely a here and there thing anymore; they have become almost the rule as opposed to the exception, and people consider it a good debate for Joe when he otherwise makes his way through without managing to say something utterly ridiculous, while his campaign strives to minimize his appearances; I find that telling.

I think you'll probably have a good majoritarian chunk of the Dems willing to overlook Biden's absurdities come hell or highwater, but I don't think the same can be said to be true of everyone else.

 

[Luther]

Ya, it'd be terrible for them to get BETTER healthcare, AND have the $10,000 cost freed up to give to the employee as salary.



It's twice as expensive as any other healthcare in the world, and rated lower than government healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid, and VA are the top rated).



I see idiocy from people who don't care about insuring everyone and fixing a terrible, corrupt industry, talking at times but I see a MAJORITY of Democrats in EVERY SINGLE PRIMARY STATE SO FAR who want single payer.



Bernie would likely destroy trump and is the best chance.

Ya, it'd be terrible for them to get BETTER healthcare

Then pray yell why Nevada's culinary union warn their votes about Bernie's HC if it's so awesome?

AND have the $10,000 cost freed up to give to the employee as salary.

I love how you just "assume" that's what's going to happen

 

[mrdeltoid]

Big difference between trump and Reagan. Reagan had a 61% overall approval ratings in Nov 1984 vs. Trump's 45% as of today. Americans gave Reagan a 70% favorable/30% unfavorable ratings in Nov of 1984 vs. Trumps 41% favorable/54% unfavorable. Reagan was well liked by a majority of Americans, Trump isn't.

It will be a very close race regardless of who wins. If Trump personality was more like Reagan's than Trump's. He might breeze to reelection. But it's not.

No doubt. This is going to be a lot closer than people think. To your point, that is what is so frustrating for conservatives. If Trump would just keep his mouth shut and stop offending people for sport, the circumstances are ripe for a landslide, and a Reaganesque approach would seal the deal. So very frustrating.

 

[Perotista]

No doubt. This is going to be a lot closer than people think. To your point, that is what is so frustrating for conservatives. If Trump would just keep his mouth shut and stop offending people for sport, the circumstances are ripe for a landslide, and a Reaganesque approach would seal the deal. So very frustrating.

Exactly, I've been talking about ever since Trump first entered the primaries. I go over policy and issues and see where independents are fairly evenly split on those. For some, against some. One would think a close to a 50-50 split on job approval and in the favorable/unfavorable ratings. Not so. Independents give Trump a 41/54 approve/disapprove over all job approval and a 41/51 favorable/unfavorable.

Probably more telling is the 28% of independents who like Trump as a person, individual regardless of their views on his policies vs. 40% who dislike him. 15% say they neither like or dislike Trump as a person with the rest not sure/undecided.

I believe if Trump had Reagan's personality, his affable persona instead of a schoolyard bully's persona more a fit as a wrestler in the WWE than the Oval Office, those numbers would be closer to 55% Job approval and favorable along with 60% saying they like the man.

If Trump loses the independent vote it will be more because of his obnoxious, uncouth personality than what he has or hasn't done as a president. Trump is a very easy man to dislike.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Exactly, I've been talking about ever since Trump first entered the primaries. I go over policy and issues and see where independents are fairly evenly split on those. For some, against some. One would think a close to a 50-50 split on job approval and in the favorable/unfavorable ratings. Not so. Independents give Trump a 41/54 approve/disapprove over all job approval and a 41/51 favorable/unfavorable.

Probably more telling is the 28% of independents who like Trump as a person, individual regardless of their views on his policies vs. 40% who dislike him. 15% say they neither like or dislike Trump as a person with the rest not sure/undecided.

I believe if Trump had Reagan's personality, his affable persona instead of a schoolyard bully's persona more a fit as a wrestler in the WWE than the Oval Office, those numbers would be closer to 55% Job approval and favorable along with 60% saying they like the man.

If Trump loses the independent vote it will be more because of his obnoxious, uncouth personality than what he has or hasn't done as a president. Trump is a very easy man to dislike.

Sad but true. It seems so obvious, I don't understand how he doesn't see this. I think a lot of people overlook his personality because they agree with certain issues he's taken on. I'm socially more of a liberal/libertarian and I like what he's doing with criminal justice reform. I hate mandatory minimums. I also believe once a felon is off paper, he should be able to vote, buy a gun, etc. I believe all drugs should be legal. I better stop before my inner hippie takes over. lol

 

[Perotista]

Sad but true. It seems so obvious, I don't understand how he doesn't see this. I think a lot of people overlook his personality because they agree with certain issues he's taken on. I'm socially more of a liberal/libertarian and I like what he's doing with criminal justice reform. I hate mandatory minimums. I also believe once a felon is off paper, he should be able to vote, buy a gun, etc. I believe all drugs should be legal. I better stop before my inner hippie takes over. lol

Ahh, let it all hang out. You know how Reagan asked the question in his debate with Jimmy Carter, "Are you better off now than four years ago?" I think if I were the Democratic candidate on stage with Trump, I'd ask, "Do you really want four more years with this obnoxious, uncouth bully as your president?"

 

[GreatNews2night]

Ahh, let it all hang out. You know how Reagan asked the question in his debate with Jimmy Carter, "Are you better off now than four years ago?" I think if I were the Democratic candidate on stage with Trump, I'd ask, "Do you really want four more years with this obnoxious, uncouth bully as your president?"

The problem with this is that even though many (correctly) find Trump to be an obnoxious, uncouth bully, they also do believe that they are better off than four years ago, and many vote with their pockets rather than with their brains. This could, of course, change if the economy badly sinks due to the coronavirus, and Trump is blamed for poor preparedness. The COVID-19 has the potential to becoming Trump's Katrina, and to sink his re-election chances.

 

[Perotista]

The problem with this is that even though many (correctly) find Trump to be an obnoxious, uncouth bully, they also do believe that they are better off than four years ago, and many vote with their pockets rather than with their brains. This could, of course, change if the economy badly sinks due to the coronavirus, and Trump is blamed for poor preparedness. The COVID-19 has the potential to becoming Trump's Katrina, and to sink his re-election chances.

All very true. But if Trump had the more affable personality of a Reagan with the economy going strong, we'd be talking a landslide as in 1984 instead of a very close election. History has shown that one normally doesn't vote for someone they dislike. Now 2016 sort of turned that on its ear as both candidate were heavily disliked by America as a whole. 56% disliking Hillary, 60% disliking Trump. The first time in history that any major party candidate was disliked by 50% or more Americans. Barry Goldwater held the record for the highest dislike factor at 47% back in 1964. Could we have a repeat where both major party candidates are disliked by 50% or more of all Americans in 2020. It is certainly possible.

the dislike factor today with Biden is at 45%, Sanders at 48%, Trump at 51%. All three are close especially when one considers the margin of error of plus or minus 3 points. I do think once the general election campaign begins with all its negative personal attacks, the dislike factor will only grow.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Ahh, let it all hang out. You know how Reagan asked the question in his debate with Jimmy Carter, "Are you better off now than four years ago?" I think if I were the Democratic candidate on stage with Trump, I'd ask, "Do you really want four more years with this obnoxious, uncouth bully as your president?"

That would be a good tactic for the dems, but, I would also advise Trump to ask the old "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago. " I think the dems made some political hay when Trump was trying to allay the anxiety so as not to cause a panic. Of course Trump made his usual stupid statements, and the dems took full advantage of them. That's politics. As far as the Pandemic being his "Katrina", I doubt it. He acted pretty quickly. If one was a Trump voter because of the economy, even if it takes a tumble until the pandemic is under control, they won't want to bring back the days of corporate tax hikes and draconian regulations. Keep in mind, middle class wages went up for the first time in years. Ya never know though. But do you think old uncle Joe would be a trail blazer in this case?

 

[GreatNews2night]

As far as the Pandemic being his "Katrina", I doubt it. He acted pretty quickly.

No, no, no. He dismantled the task force Obama had put in place precisely to prepare for this situation. When this thing hit, we got caught with a ridiculously small number of test kits (as opposed to Italy and South Korea that are testing everybody); we have 95,000 intensive care unit beds and only about 65,000 respirators. Just recently another infectious disease expert anticipated that our health system will be overwhelmed with the lack of tests, facilities, and machinery to treat the critical cases, and he anticipated that we'll have 98 million Americans infected and at least 500,000 debts.

And Trump will be the president who is presiding over this mess.

We'll see what happens to his approval rating when grandma and grandpa start dropping dead right and left from the coronavirus.

 

[mrdeltoid]

The problem with this is that even though many (correctly) find Trump to be an obnoxious, uncouth bully, they also do believe that they are better off than four years ago, and many vote with their pockets rather than with their brains. This could, of course, change if the economy badly sinks due to the coronavirus, and Trump is blamed for poor preparedness. The COVID-19 has the potential to becoming Trump's Katrina, and to sink his re-election chances.

Did you say "vote with their pockets instead of their brains???" Let's drill down on that a little bit. Take my case for instance. I benefited from the tax cuts. I like my healthcare plan, I'm a 2a supporter, want strong borders, and although I don't believe government should be involved in the abortion issue, I'm against partial birth abortion. (I oppose all abortion, but that's between the woman and God.) Biden will raise my taxes, return to the draconian regulations, and put a man that supports gun confiscation in charge of gun control. To me, voting for Biden wouldn't be using my brains. You don't vote for the candidate that lets you keep more of your money? Why are the people that have money, like Bernie and Warren, the ones that hate money? Like Leonardo DiCaprio said in the Howard Hughes movie. The person said "we don't care about money". He said "because you have it". Yep, gotta take the money out of politics, said the millionaire senators.

 

[mrdeltoid]

And then there's this: "As of Mar. 9, 2020, the flu is showing much more of an impact on Americans than COVID-19. You can find up-to-date information on COVID-19 at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...9-vs-the-flu&usg=AOvVaw1rhghgMQHL_2PpZF2Az5Zp

So let's take a breath, wash our hands, and cover our mouth when we cough. If we catch it, stay home.