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Israeli troops kill Palestinian teenager by shooting him in stomach

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Bullshit, these were Muslim Supremacists furthering the goal of eradicating Jews from what they think are Muslim lands. Hamas terrorists.

Nope, these are West Bank residents protesting the arrival of yet more illegal Israeli settlers and what that means to their lives/rights etc etc. Your posts are way off the mark imo
 
I am anti-Terrorist, no question about it.

I don't think you are. I think your posts show an anti Arab bias and an contempt for accuracy.
That Arabs have 99% of the landmass and cry that the "Jews are greedy" because they don't let the Arabs have the last 1%

They have Israel , they should allow/be forced to let the Palestinian to have Palestine and their right to self determination in a state of their own. Percentages aren't the way to look at it.[/quote]
 
I have 60 years of Hamas terrorism. What are you talking about?

This is just that latest round of Arab violence against Israel with the aggressors whining that their victims dared fight back.


Hamas hasn't been around for " 60 years ". Your posts are obviously based on bias and have proven themselves to be speculative guesswork at best, based on no real knowledge.
 
The adoption by the IDF of the Dahiya Doctrine ( state terrorism/war crime ? ) wrt to Gaza makes your claim dubious to say the least. Everyone knows that the vast majority of those killed in these mass bombings are Palestinian civilians.

That Palestinians are reduced to cheer the murder of civilians in terrorist attacks due to the disparity in military capabilities is in line with my comment on how the conflict degrades people on both sides.

It's noticeable you refused to comment on the Israeli woman who wished to see Gazan residential areas levelled. Obviously that would mean that they cared not which would be targeted nor the obvious massive loss of life of innocent civilians. But then again, your posts are always predictable in this regard

Now the goalposts moves yet again...

Palestinians cheered the murder of innocent civilians and you bring up a doctrine that does not murder people......

The Dahiya doctrine, or Dahya doctrine,[1] is a military strategy of asymmetric warfare, outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot, which encompasses the destruction of the civilian infrastructure of regimes deemed to be hostile as a measure calculated to deny combatants the use of that infrastructure[2] and endorses the employment of "disproportionate power" to secure that end.

Murdered innocent civilians =/= Things.
 
The IDF has prosecuted and convicted IDF personnel for deaths or injury of Palestinians....

How many Palestinians have been prosecuted by Palestinians for killing Israelis?

Oh, that's right. They honor and lionize those who kill Israelis....
Uh, this appears to be a thread about an Israeli soldier killing a civilian, a child no less. So, maybe the lament about rogue actors in Palestine killing Israelis does not apply here. At least, that's how I see it.
 
Nope, these are West Bank residents protesting the arrival of yet more illegal Israeli settlers and what that means to their lives/rights etc etc. Your posts are way off the mark imo

You mean Hamas terrorists.

How is land that belongs to Israel "illegal?"

When the combined Arab armies attacked and lost, they lost this territory.
 
Hamas hasn't been around for " 60 years ". Your posts are obviously based on bias and have proven themselves to be speculative guesswork at best, based on no real knowledge.

Sure they have.

PLO. Hezbollah, Hamas, it's all the same. Muslim Supremacists seeking to "Drive the Jews into the sea."
 
You mean Hamas terrorists.

How is land that belongs to Israel "illegal?"

When the combined Arab armies attacked and lost, they lost this territory.

Correction....

Hamas = Gaza

And there are issues with the ownership of formerly Jordanian land in the west Bank.
 
Uh, this appears to be a thread about an Israeli soldier killing a civilian, a child no less. So, maybe the lament about rogue actors in Palestine killing Israelis does not apply here. At least, that's how I see it.

This is a thread about an Israeli soldier killing an enemy combatant during battle. A battle started - as always - by the Muslim Supremacist forces.
 
Now the goalposts moves yet again...

Palestinians cheered the murder of innocent civilians and you bring up a doctrine that does not murder people......

There is no " goal oost " shift. I leave that to people like yourself, people who need to do it.
The Dahiya doctrine, or Dahya doctrine,[1] is a military strategy of asymmetric warfare, outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot, which encompasses the destruction of the civilian infrastructure of regimes deemed to be hostile as a measure calculated to deny combatants the use of that infrastructure[2] and endorses the employment of "disproportionate power" to secure that end.

Murdered innocent civilians =/= Things.


The use of disproportionate power is a war crime. Those " things " are building with people inside them. When you drop multiple 1000LB bombs on them it is obvious innocent people will die as a result. The casualty figures from the israel massacres on Gaza bear that out. That some people on the Israeli side applaud and cheer this carpet bombing of people trapped in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet, around half of which are children, , in the full knowledge that the civilians casualty figures are going to be massive, have been morally dgraded by the conflict in the same way that some Palestinians that cheer terror attacks have been. That yout posts wish to deny this only confirms their bias, like as though other evidence were really required.
 
You mean Hamas terrorists.

How is land that belongs to Israel "illegal?"

When the combined Arab armies attacked and lost, they lost this territory.


Your posts continue to show an alarmingly poor knowledge of this subject.

They are WB villagers protesting the creation of an illegal Israeli outpost that is sure to impact greatly on their lives. Anywhere in the world we can see protests and even riots because people are rejecing some policy they feel, and rightly feel in most cases, will impact negitively on their lives. Your posts only seem to take exception when the protesters are Arabs. It's all very predictable and transparent.

The land referred to as the Occupied Palestinian Territories are made up of those territories occupied by Israel after the 67 warin which Israel attacked its Arab neighbours. The settlements are illegal, as are the settlers obviously, because it is illegal for a state to acquire territory through war.

The territory you appear to referring to became Israel proper after the 1947-49 war.

It migth be an idea to actually do some research so your posts here are not full of inaccurate junk peppered with sentences that are just pure anti Arab bias.
 
This is a thread about an Israeli soldier killing an enemy combatant during battle. A battle started - as always - by the Muslim Supremacist forces.

Not even close again.

This is a case of an Israeli soldier killing a child during a protest. If it were an Israeli soldier killing an " enemy combatant during a battle" the IDF wouldn't be investigating whether or not a crime has been committed would they ?

Some of know that the killing of protesters that pose no mortal and imminent threat to the killer is a crime. Even if they are Arabs too. :rolleyes:
 
Uh, this appears to be a thread about an Israeli soldier killing a civilian, a child no less. So, maybe the lament about rogue actors in Palestine killing Israelis does not apply here. At least, that's how I see it.


The posts of the member in question often contain claims denouncing the use of whataboutisms but here we see them peppereing their own posts.

The only good thing was that the post shows an ignorance of why Palestinians don't indict/convict other Palestinians that have attacked and killed Israelis.

It's like criticizing 10 yo kids for never going to the bar and buying the drinks for everyone.

BTW you can't appeal to what's not there calamity but I appreciate the attempt
 
There is no " goal oost " shift. I leave that to people like yourself, people who need to do it.



The use of disproportionate power is a war crime. Those " things " are building with people inside them. When you drop multiple 1000LB bombs on them it is obvious innocent people will die as a result. The casualty figures from the israel massacres on Gaza bear that out. That some people on the Israeli side applaud and cheer this carpet bombing of people trapped in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet, around half of which are children, , in the full knowledge that the civilians casualty figures are going to be massive, have been morally dgraded by the conflict in the same way that some Palestinians that cheer terror attacks have been. That yout posts wish to deny this only confirms their bias, like as though other evidence were really required.

Goalposts moving at warp speed...

Killing people =/= breaking things

And "Isreal massacres in Gaza"?

Got hyperbole?
 
Your posts continue to show an alarmingly poor knowledge of this subject.

They are WB villagers protesting the creation of an illegal Israeli outpost that is sure to impact greatly on their lives. Anywhere in the world we can see protests and even riots because people are rejecing some policy they feel, and rightly feel in most cases, will impact negitively on their lives. Your posts only seem to take exception when the protesters are Arabs. It's all very predictable and transparent.

The land referred to as the Occupied Palestinian Territories are made up of those territories occupied by Israel after the 67 warin which Israel attacked its Arab neighbours. The settlements are illegal, as are the settlers obviously, because it is illegal for a state to acquire territory through war.

The territory you appear to referring to became Israel proper after the 1947-49 war.

It migth be an idea to actually do some research so your posts here are not full of inaccurate junk peppered with sentences that are just pure anti Arab bias.

There is no "Palestine" territory. There is Israel, Jordan, Lebanon. and Syria - which comprised the Ottoman territory of "Palestine,."

Under the Balfour mandate, the Arabs were given Transjordan, the Christians Lebanon, and the Jews Israel.

But Muslim Supremacists will never allow Kafir to have nations, The Muslims have overthrown the Christians in Lebanon and imposed Islamic rule. They seek the same in Israel, but the Jews fight back. Jordan is Arab Palestine.
 
Not even close again.

This is a case of an Israeli soldier killing a child during a protest. If it were an Israeli soldier killing an " enemy combatant during a battle" the IDF wouldn't be investigating whether or not a crime has been committed would they ?

Some of know that the killing of protesters that pose no mortal and imminent threat to the killer is a crime. Even if they are Arabs too. :rolleyes:

Your own biased source said it was a "violent confrontation."


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“Dozens of rioters threw stones at IDF and Border Police forces, and even tried to roll large boulders and burning tires from the ridges that overlook the Alon route, risking the lives of passengers on the road,” the IDF spokesperson said.

A spokesperson for the IDF declined to say whether or not an investigation would be conducted into the incident. The spokesperson also declined to say whether the IDF was directly responsible for the shooting, saying only “they were aware of the claims.”

Mohammad Abu Aliya claimed in his call with The Times of Israel that he had been present in the Ramallah hospital when the doctor emerged and informed the family that Ali had been shot with live fire.

}

This was no "Protest," it was a violent battle started by the Muslim Supremacists.

Standard Disclaimer: Why do Muslims name every male child after their god Muhammad?
 
Goalposts moving at warp speed...

Killing people =/= breaking things

And "Isreal massacres in Gaza"?

Got hyperbole?


Your posts continue to be big on false claims and massively short on accuracy.. We can have a recap on what you decided to avoid in the posts of mine


What goal post shift was made ?

Why didn't you comment on the use of the Dahiya Doctrine actually constituting a war crime? Or comment on some Israelis cheering and applauded those war crimes ?

Why are you ,ridiculously, referring to the destruction of entire neighbourhoods as " breaking things ". ? There will be pictures at the bottom taken after these Dahiya Doctrine attrocities have taken place and you will have seen them before, so you cannot claim ignorance of what that looks like. To refer to it as " breaking things ", as your sickeningly callous post did, along with the none mentioning of the civilian casualties in these Israeli massacres/crimes ( yes massacres ) of/against Palestinians makes your posts here as odious as the very worst of them











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"Breaking things" ?? Your posts are nothing more than ignorant whitewashing of actual attrocities based on a compulsion to defend every act carried out by Israel with an obvious callous disregard for the innocent civilians killed during them purely because they are Palestinian civilians
 
Your posts continue to be big on false claims and massively short on accuracy.. We can have a recap on what you decided to avoid in the posts of mine


What goal post shift was made ?

Why didn't you comment on the use of the Dahiya Doctrine actually constituting a war crime? Or comment on some Israelis cheering and applauded those war crimes ?

Why are you ,ridiculously, referring to the destruction of entire neighbourhoods as " breaking things ". ? There will be pictures at the bottom taken after these Dahiya Doctrine attrocities have taken place and you will have seen them before, so you cannot claim ignorance of what that looks like. To refer to it as " breaking things ", as your sickeningly callous post did, along with the none mentioning of the civilian casualties in these Israeli massacres/crimes ( yes massacres ) of/against Palestinians makes your posts here as odious as the very worst of them











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"Breaking things" ?? Your posts are nothing more than ignorant whitewashing of actual attrocities based on a compulsion to defend every act carried out by Israel with an obvious callous disregard for the innocent civilians killed during them purely because they are Palestinian civilians

Killing people =/= Breaking things.

Fact.

And you repeatedly insisted this is war.

In war people die and things get broken.

The difference is that Hamas targets innocent civilians by intent and design.

And the IDF tends to target the slime that commits war crimes / terrorism.
 
There is no "Palestine" territory. There is Israel, Jordan, Lebanon. and Syria - which comprised the Ottoman territory of "Palestine,."

Under the Balfour mandate, the Arabs were given Transjordan, the Christians Lebanon, and the Jews Israel.

But Muslim Supremacists will never allow Kafir to have nations, The Muslims have overthrown the Christians in Lebanon and imposed Islamic rule. They seek the same in Israel, but the Jews fight back. Jordan is Arab Palestine.


The Mandate ended and the decision/control was given to the UN . They called two states, the Israeli one became a state, the Palestinian one was occupied/controlled by Jordan and Egypt. You are referring to the Balfour Declaration , there is no Balfour mandate.

Maybe you think it was right for Europeans to decide how the former Ottoman territories should have been divided/named/governed , no sense of irony there about European supremacism so it's a pretty safe bet.

Both the PA and Hamas , along with all of the Arab nations ,have stated that they will support a two state solution on the 67 lines, as per international law, so your claim seems out of date.
 
Your posts continue to be big on false claims and massively short on accuracy.. We can have a recap on what you decided to avoid in the posts of mine


What goal post shift was made ?

Why didn't you comment on the use of the Dahiya Doctrine actually constituting a war crime? Or comment on some Israelis cheering and applauded those war crimes ?

Why are you ,ridiculously, referring to the destruction of entire neighbourhoods as " breaking things ". ? There will be pictures at the bottom taken after these Dahiya Doctrine attrocities have taken place and you will have seen them before, so you cannot claim ignorance of what that looks like. To refer to it as " breaking things ", as your sickeningly callous post did, along with the none mentioning of the civilian casualties in these Israeli massacres/crimes ( yes massacres ) of/against Palestinians makes your posts here as odious as the very worst of them











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"Breaking things" ?? Your posts are nothing more than ignorant whitewashing of actual attrocities based on a compulsion to defend every act carried out by Israel with an obvious callous disregard for the innocent civilians killed during them purely because they are Palestinian civilians

Wait, are you REALLY trying to paint Hezbollah as the VICTIMS in the conquest of Christian Lebanon and the subsequent campaign of terror by the Muslim Supremacists?
 
The Mandate ended and the decision/control was given to the UN . They called two states, the Israeli one became a state, the Palestinian one was occupied/controlled by Jordan and Egypt. You are referring to the Balfour Declaration , there is no Balfour mandate.

Maybe you think it was right for Europeans to decide how the former Ottoman territories should have been divided/named/governed , no sense of irony there about European supremacism so it's a pretty safe bet.

Both the PA and Hamas , along with all of the Arab nations ,have stated that they will support a two state solution on the 67 lines, as per international law, so your claim seems out of date.

The UN partition was for an independent Jewish state and an independent Arab state.

Note. Independent states.

It wasn't until the Palestinians rejected the deal and attacked the Jewish state (along with the Arab league) that Jordan and Egypt saw to opportunity for a land grab. And grab it they did.
 
Killing people =/= Breaking things.

Fact.

And you repeatedly insisted this is war.

In war people die and things get broken.

The difference is that Hamas targets innocent civilians by intent and design.

And the IDF tends to target the slime that commits war crimes / terrorism.


Oh please lol

The gross bias/double standards in every single one of your posts here sets out the view of someone that is so entrenched in a intentional ignorance bubble that they cannot even allow the facts that debunk their preferred narratives to see the light of day, unmolested .

It is a war but that doesn't mean that crimes cannot be committed. Both sides commit crimes and have committed crimes. Both sides have engaged in legitimate acts of violence. That you cannot bear to see this put out, even though the facts support it at every turn, is about as extreme as it gets.

The use of disproportionate force/power is a war crime, just like the rocket attacks on Israel are war crimes. To post reply after reply that defend one set of crimes, based on a personal bias ,and denounce others because they have been committed by your preferred enemy is about as biased as it is possible to be.

Your posts are completely biased and their content, often times, callous in the extreme . In fact they are out there with the extremists on both sides and thus offer nothing of any value to our discussions here imo
 
Wait, are you REALLY trying to paint Hezbollah as the VICTIMS in the conquest of Christian Lebanon and the subsequent campaign of terror by the Muslim Supremacists?


I think the people of Lebanon like those of Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Jordan and Israel are all victims of a decision made by Europeans for their own self interest. That's the baseline I opt to work from

What you fail to understand in your post,imo, is that the Palestinian diaspora, those scattered into the neighbouring states and beyond, have lived as refugees and have become huge internal problems for the people of the state they have fled to. In Lebanon the Palestinians have been, rightly or wrongly, historically marginalized and what you have as " Muslim supremacism " is the fight to be represented in the country they have been forced to live in.

Hezbollah was formed as a group with the intention of resisting a foreign occupation by Israel and has grown into a fully fledged political entity that has seats in the Lebanese parliament. That it is turning into a state within a state is just the result of the history of the region since the Europeans decided to carve it up for their own interests and then bail out when the consequences of those poor decisions came home to roost.

Thus the members of Hezbollah are just as much the victim of the above as any other group in the region.

This thread isn't about Hezbollah and thus if you want to carry this on start another one.
 
Oh please lol

The gross bias/double standards in every single one of your posts here sets out the view of someone that is so entrenched in a intentional ignorance bubble that they cannot even allow the facts that debunk their preferred narratives to see the light of day, unmolested .

It is a war but that doesn't mean that crimes cannot be committed. Both sides commit crimes and have committed crimes. Both sides have engaged in legitimate acts of violence. That you cannot bear to see this put out, even though the facts support it at every turn, is about as extreme as it gets.

The use of disproportionate force/power is a war crime, just like the rocket attacks on Israel are war crimes. To post reply after reply that defend one set of crimes, based on a personal bias ,and denounce others because they have been committed by your preferred enemy is about as biased as it is possible to be.

Your posts are completely biased and their content, often times, callous in the extreme . In fact they are out there with the extremists on both sides and thus offer nothing of any value to our discussions here imo

Your crocodile tears won't win you any points.

The facts are that Hamas targets civilians. The IDF targets Hamas.

Tell me. When was the last time the Dahiya Doctrine was implemented....
 
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