Israeli police clear themselves in assault on Palestinian boy

[Jean-s]

The father of an East Jerusalem boy, who says his son lost an eye after being shot in the face with a sponge-tipped bullet fired by a police officer earlier this year, said he was disappointed Sunday with Israeli authorities for clearing police in the case. The Justice Ministry’s Police Internal Investigations Department said last week that it had closed the investigation and no officers will be charged over the incident in the neighborhood of Issawiya, as the cause of the injury could not be determined.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fathe...lost-eye-during-police-raid-claims-injustice/

Honestly, why on Earth did the father of 9-year-old Malek ever hold out hope that the policeman who shot his son would ever be brought to justice? This is what Israeli occupation looks like.

Malek Issa (9) before the assault

 

[Evilroddy]

The father of an East Jerusalem boy, who says his son lost an eye after being shot in the face with a sponge-tipped bullet fired by a police officer earlier this year, said he was disappointed Sunday with Israeli authorities for clearing police in the case. The Justice Ministry’s Police Internal Investigations Department said last week that it had closed the investigation and no officers will be charged over the incident in the neighborhood of Issawiya, as the cause of the injury could not be determined.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fathe...lost-eye-during-police-raid-claims-injustice/

Honestly, why on Earth did the father of 9-year-old Malek ever hold out hope that the policeman who shot his son would ever be brought to justice? This is what Israeli occupation looks like.

Malek Issa (9) before the assault

Jean-s:

Colonialism driven by ethno-religious "manifest-destiny" and coercive military occupation is brutal and profoundly unfair. This is what happens to the children of a surplus population which an occupying state does not want to remain on the land the state wants. Brutalised adults, brutalised elders and most heart breaking of all, brutalised children. This is state terrorism in the service of annexation just as much as bombing and rocketing Israeli civilians is non-state terrorism in the service of bloody-minded resistance. Neither the militarised State of Israel nor the terroristic Palestinian militants deserve the "holy land" land as both are behaving in a way that is an affront to the laws of the divine. It is disgusting that hate can so warp so many members of two peoples on one piece of land that they want to brutalise each other's children.

Cheers does not seem appropriate here.
Peace and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Jean-s]

Jean-s:

Colonialism driven by ethno-religious "manifest-destiny" and coercive military occupation is brutal and profoundly unfair. This is what happens to the children of a surplus population which an occupying state does not want to remain on the land the state wants. Brutalised adults, brutalised elders and most heart breaking of all, brutalised children. This is state terrorism in the service of annexation just as much as bombing and rocketing Israeli civilians is non-state terrorism in the service of bloody-minded resistance. Neither the militarised State of Israel nor the terroristic Palestinian militants deserve the "holy land" land as both are behaving in a way that is an affront to the laws of the divine. It is disgusting that hate can so warp so many members of two peoples on one piece of land that they want to brutalise each other's children.

Cheers does not seem appropriate here.
Peace and be well.
Evilroddy.

Regrettably, your post equates the handful of homemade Hamas Roman candles in Gaza with one of the most advanced military powers in the Middle East that is Israel's Army, Navy, and Air Force that regularly pulverizes the civilian population of Gaza and subdues the people of the Occupied East Jerusalem and West Bank. To use a Trumpism, you say there are bad people "on both sides" regardless of the disproportionate collective punishment of the Palestinian civilian population by the Israeli Defense Forces. I see it differently to you, Evilroddy.

 

[PoS]

Disgusting, but not a surprise the Isrealis get away with it. Occupying powers usually do.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Regrettably, your post equates the handful of homemade Hamas Roman candles in Gaza with one of the most advanced military powers in the Middle East that is Israel's Army, Navy, and Air Force that regularly pulverizes the civilian population of Gaza and subdues the people of the Occupied East Jerusalem and West Bank. To use a Trumpism, you say there are bad people "on both sides" regardless of the disproportionate collective punishment of the Palestinian civilian population by the Israeli Defense Forces. I see it differently to you, Evilroddy.

When you provoke the bull long enough, you'll eventually get the horns.

 

[Evilroddy]

Regrettably, your post equates the handful of homemade Hamas Roman candles in Gaza with one of the most advanced military powers in the Middle East that is Israel's Army, Navy, and Air Force that regularly pulverizes the civilian population of Gaza and subdues the people of the Occupied East Jerusalem and West Bank. To use a Trumpism, you say there are bad people "on both sides" regardless of the disproportionate collective punishment of the Palestinian civilian population by the Israeli Defense Forces. I see it differently to you, Evilroddy.

Jean-s:

Fair points all. I agree with your quoted statement above, even if I am perhaps too diplomatic in my characterisations. Thank you for speaking clearly and forthrightfully.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Evilroddy]

When you provoke the bull long enough, you'll eventually get the horns.

RetiredUSN:

When your people's very existence on the territory claimed by the bull is provocation enough for a goring, it is hard not to be gored.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[code1211]

The father of an East Jerusalem boy, who says his son lost an eye after being shot in the face with a sponge-tipped bullet fired by a police officer earlier this year, said he was disappointed Sunday with Israeli authorities for clearing police in the case. The Justice Ministry’s Police Internal Investigations Department said last week that it had closed the investigation and no officers will be charged over the incident in the neighborhood of Issawiya, as the cause of the injury could not be determined.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fathe...lost-eye-during-police-raid-claims-injustice/

Honestly, why on Earth did the father of 9-year-old Malek ever hold out hope that the policeman who shot his son would ever be brought to justice? This is what Israeli occupation looks like.

Malek Issa (9) before the assault

This was a tragedy.

The neighborhood was one in which violence seems to have been routine.

It's too bad. It was a shame when street violence broke out in the US as well.

The Police there and the police here RESPOND when sent to the violence. They don't cause the violence to which they respond.

Saying that the responding police cause the violence to which they respond is arguing that the future causes the past.

 

[Jean-s]

This was a tragedy.

The neighborhood was one in which violence seems to have been routine.

It's too bad. It was a shame when street violence broke out in the US as well.

The Police there and the police here RESPOND when sent to the violence. They don't cause the violence to which they respond.

Saying that the responding police cause the violence to which they respond is arguing that the future causes the past.

You are mistaken to compare violence in American cities to violence in occupied Palestine because the so-called border police in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank do not respond to violence, they provoke it by entering Palestinian concentration camps and they protect illegal Jewish Settlers who are stealing Palestinian land, water, and agricultural areas. The Israel Defense Forces also terrorize Palestinians in their homes in the middle of the night in order to humiliate the civilian children, their mothers, and extended families. It is nothing like the USA.

 

[Apocalypse]

The father of an East Jerusalem boy, who says his son lost an eye after being shot in the face with a sponge-tipped bullet fired by a police officer earlier this year, said he was disappointed Sunday with Israeli authorities for clearing police in the case. The Justice Ministry’s Police Internal Investigations Department said last week that it had closed the investigation and no officers will be charged over the incident in the neighborhood of Issawiya, as the cause of the injury could not be determined.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fathe...lost-eye-during-police-raid-claims-injustice/

Honestly, why on Earth did the father of 9-year-old Malek ever hold out hope that the policeman who shot his son would ever be brought to justice? This is what Israeli occupation looks like.

Malek Issa (9) before the assault

Local poster rants as internal police investigation does not rule in favor of his preferred version of reality.

 

[code1211]

You are mistaken to compare violence in American cities to violence in occupied Palestine because the so-called border police in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank do not respond to violence, they provoke it by entering Palestinian concentration camps and they protect illegal Jewish Settlers who are stealing Palestinian land, water, and agricultural areas. The Israel Defense Forces also terrorize Palestinians in their homes in the middle of the night in order to humiliate the civilian children, their mothers, and extended families. It is nothing like the USA.

To help with your understanding, I've highlighted the propagandistic words and phrases in your response.

 

[Fledermaus]

Regrettably, your post equates the handful of homemade Hamas Roman candles in Gaza with one of the most advanced military powers in the Middle East that is Israel's Army, Navy, and Air Force that regularly pulverizes the civilian population of Gaza and subdues the people of the Occupied East Jerusalem and West Bank. To use a Trumpism, you say there are bad people "on both sides" regardless of the disproportionate collective punishment of the Palestinian civilian population by the Israeli Defense Forces. I see it differently to you, Evilroddy.

Roman candles?

Why lie?

The inventory of Gaza munitions include military grade 122MM rockets and mortars. Home made munitions include tickets with as great or greater payload.

 

[Evilroddy]

To help with your understanding, I've highlighted the propagandistic words and phrases in your response.

Code1211:

For reasons only known to the digital gremlins, DP informed me that you had responded to my post. However this is not my post, but I will respond anyway.

East Jerusalem, The West Bank, and Gaza were seized from Jordan and Egypt during the Six-Day War of June,1967, a war which the State of Israel initiated by attacking an alliance of three states by launching surprise air raids on Egypt (UAR). That was after Israel signed on to the UN Charter which forbade the annexation of land by invading states. Therefore these are occupied territories and since the dominanant population which lived on them in 1967 were Palestinian, they are called the Occupied Territories or the Palestinian Occupied Territories. That is historical fact, not propaganda.

Here are two former IDF soldiers describing what they did and why as part of their occupation duties:





Thus the description of settler violence and terrorising the local Palestinian population are also verifiable facts.

Statements are not propaganda if they are true and presented without an intent to deceive.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[oneworld2]

The father of an East Jerusalem boy, who says his son lost an eye after being shot in the face with a sponge-tipped bullet fired by a police officer earlier this year, said he was disappointed Sunday with Israeli authorities for clearing police in the case. The Justice Ministry’s Police Internal Investigations Department said last week that it had closed the investigation and no officers will be charged over the incident in the neighborhood of Issawiya, as the cause of the injury could not be determined.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fathe...lost-eye-during-police-raid-claims-injustice/

Honestly, why on Earth did the father of 9-year-old Malek ever hold out hope that the policeman who shot his son would ever be brought to justice? This is what Israeli occupation looks like.

Malek Issa (9) before the assault

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem have stopped cooperating with the IDF for the very reason you cite above. In their word the Israeli Military system acts to " cover up unlawful acts and protect perpetrators,’

Some interesting facts from both their work and from another Israeli human rights group called Yesh din

Out of 739 cases in which B’Tselem demanded that the IDF investigate soldiers killing, injuring, beating or using Palestinians as human shields since the year 2000, only 25 (3 percent) resulted in indictments. At least 70 percent of those cases ended without military investigators taking any action whatsoever, the organization reported, describing the process as riddled by “systemic failures which are neither random, nor case specific.”

“The semblance of a functioning justice system allows Israeli officials to deny claims made both in Israel and abroad that Israel does not enforce the law on soldiers who harm Palestinians,” the B’Tselem report released Wednesday argued. “These appearances also help grant legitimacy – both in Israel and abroad – to the continuation of the occupation.”

According to Yesh Din, in 2014 military prosecutors filed indictments as a result of only 3.5 percent of criminal investigations into offenses committed by soldiers against Palestinians. The indictment rate presented by B’Tselem is relative to all complaints filed, while Yesh Din’s refers only to criminal investigations initiated by the army.

Leading Israeli rights group to stop cooperating with the IDF - +972 Magazine

The Israeli military justice system acts only to ‘cover up unlawful acts and protect perpetrators,’ B’Tselem says, citing 25 years of experience working with the military. Palestinian rights expert welcomes the move. Israel’s best known human rights organization, B’Tselem, has lost all faith in...

www.972mag.com

The whole " justice system " in occupied Palestine is a cruel joke aimed at making the outside world believe that those imposing the occupation are taking their responsibilites seriously. The facts tell a different story.


A hard hitting account of the farce of justice in the occupied territories can be found in the following documentary

 

[code1211]

Code1211:

For reasons only known to the digital gremlins, DP informed me that you had responded to my post. However this is not my post, but I will respond anyway.

East Jerusalem, The West Bank, and Gaza were seized from Jordan and Egypt during the Six-Day War of June,1967, a war which the State of Israel initiated by attacking an alliance of three states by launching surprise air raids on Egypt (UAR). That was after Israel signed on to the UN Charter which forbade the annexation of land by invading states. Therefore these are occupied territories and since the dominanant population which lived on them in 1967 were Palestinian, they are called the Occupied Territories or the Palestinian Occupied Territories. That is historical fact, not propaganda.

Here are two former IDF soldiers describing what they did and why as part of their occupation duties:





Thus the description of settler violence and terrorising the local Palestinian population are also verifiable facts.

Statements are not propaganda if they are true and presented without an intent to deceive.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

The realities of the threats to the state of Israel are different than the realities that you seem to feel exist.

 

[oneworld2]

To help with your understanding, I've highlighted the propagandistic words and phrases in your response.

Virtually everything you cited as "propaganda" is just an accurate account of what is going on. As Evilroddy has explained to you, statements that are true and not intended to decieve don't qualify as propaganda. The only tern you referred to that I think was inaccurate was the one referring to camps. In the West Bank I would think that cantons or ghettoes is probably more accurate but apart from that, and it is only my opinion, I think the commentary you objected to was the reality of the situation.

 

[oneworld2]

The realities of the threats to the state of Israel are different than the realities that you seem to feel exist.

That reply doesn't seem to fit with Evilroddys reply to your former post. What threats are you referring to ,and are not both sides posing threats to the other? Ask yourself are you really applying the same standards to each side here

 

[bongsaway]

The father of an East Jerusalem boy, who says his son lost an eye after being shot in the face with a sponge-tipped bullet fired by a police officer earlier this year, said he was disappointed Sunday with Israeli authorities for clearing police in the case. The Justice Ministry’s Police Internal Investigations Department said last week that it had closed the investigation and no officers will be charged over the incident in the neighborhood of Issawiya, as the cause of the injury could not be determined.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/fathe...lost-eye-during-police-raid-claims-injustice/

Honestly, why on Earth did the father of 9-year-old Malek ever hold out hope that the policeman who shot his son would ever be brought to justice? This is what Israeli occupation looks like.

Malek Issa (9) before the assault

Anytime the police, police themselves you can be assured it will be a good outcome for the cop/s.

 

[Evilroddy]

The realities of the threats to the state of Israel are different than the realities that you seem to feel exist.

code1211:

That realities of military-political necessities may be different between states and people does not alter historical facts. You characterised factual historical information as propaganda when it was not. That was the point of my post.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.

 

[Jean-s]

Virtually everything you cited as "propaganda" is just an accurate account of what is going on. As Evilroddy has explained to you, statements that are true and not intended to decieve don't qualify as propaganda. The only tern you referred to that I think was inaccurate was the one referring to camps. In the West Bank I would think that cantons or ghettoes is probably more accurate but apart from that, and it is only my opinion, I think the commentary you objected to was the reality of the situation.

Gaza is one big concentration camp from where Palestinians cannot leave or enter, export or import their needs, fish off its coast without being shot at by the Israeli Navy, where children cannot play football without the risk of being shot to death, and where the civilian population is periodically massacred and their infrastructure bombed to rubble. Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. In the aftermath of the hostilities of June 1967 and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, ten camps were established to accommodate a new wave of displaced persons, both refugees and non-refugees.
https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

 

[oneworld2]

Gaza is one big concentration camp from where Palestinians cannot leave or enter, export or import their needs, fish off its coast without being shot at by the Israeli Navy, where children cannot play football without the risk of being shot to death, and where the civilian population is periodically massacred and their infrastructure bombed to rubble. Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. In the aftermath of the hostilities of June 1967 and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, ten camps were established to accommodate a new wave of displaced persons, both refugees and non-refugees.
https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

A refugee camp is different from a concentration camp, is different to a ghetto, which is what I think Gaza constitutes, imo.

 

[Jean-s]

A refugee camp is different from a concentration camp, is different to a ghetto, which is what I think Gaza constitutes, imo.

You claim camps do not exist in the occupied territories. The United Nations disagrees with you.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Jean-s:

Colonialism driven by ethno-religious "manifest-destiny" and coercive military occupation is brutal and profoundly unfair. This is what happens to the children of a surplus population which an occupying state does not want to remain on the land the state wants. Brutalised adults, brutalised elders and most heart breaking of all, brutalised children. This is state terrorism in the service of annexation just as much as bombing and rocketing Israeli civilians is non-state terrorism in the service of bloody-minded resistance. Neither the militarised State of Israel nor the terroristic Palestinian militants deserve the "holy land" land as both are behaving in a way that is an affront to the laws of the divine. It is disgusting that hate can so warp so many members of two peoples on one piece of land that they want to brutalise each other's children.

Cheers does not seem appropriate here.
Peace and be well.
Evilroddy.

you might want to go back and read the book and learn how the Jews got the holy land in the first place....

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You are mistaken to compare violence in American cities to violence in occupied Palestine because the so-called border police in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank do not respond to violence, they provoke it by entering Palestinian concentration camps and they protect illegal Jewish Settlers who are stealing Palestinian land, water, and agricultural areas. The Israel Defense Forces also terrorize Palestinians in their homes in the middle of the night in order to humiliate the civilian children, their mothers, and extended families. It is nothing like the USA.

Military occupation is not theft. Conquest makes right.

 

[Evilroddy]

you might want to go back and read the book and learn how the Jews got the holy land in the first place....

EMNofS:

The Early Hebrews slaughtered Emonites, Moabites, Amalekites and many Canaanites and then married into and absorbed the surviving Canaanite population to make a kingdom(s) which lasted about 300 years before the Sargonid Neo-Assyrians and later the Noe-Babylonians conquered and dispersed the Israelites. Some later returned to their homeland but with a few brief exceptions were subjects of Persian, Greek, Seleucid, Parhian, Roman, Arab, Turkish and British Empires. Then European and some North African Jews joined about 33,000 indigenous Sephardic Jews and expanded their power by violence and terrorism. When the British Empire bugged out of the Mandate of Palestine, the Jewish militias, which were much better organised and armed than the Arab militias drove Arab Palestinians out of their villages expanding the Jewish footprint in Palestine in 1947. Then when Israel declared independence in May of 1948, five Arab states attacked the State of Israel and the Isaelis beat four of the five Arab armies handily, using the victory as a pretext to seize even more land from the Palestinians. Then Israel invaded Egypt (The UAR) in a surprise attack which they had arranged with the French Government and with tacit British approval in 1956. The Suez attack went well but the State of Israel was told to get out of Egypt/UAR by the USA. However before they left they set up the diplomatic pretext for the next war of aggression which they would wage in 1967. Then they launched that new war of aggression in June of 1967 and captured and held onto Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Egypt and Jordan and the Golan Heights from Syria as well as a tiny piece of land from Lebanon.

That's how they got the land, a land which Hebrews/IsraelitesJews/Israelis have controlled for only about 500 out of the last 4000 years. At no time, to the best of my knowledge, did Augusto Pinochet play any significant role in these events so that might be a big bummer for some posters.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.