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I'm not sure about that specific law. I know several laws have been talked about since BDS's popularity so, who knows. But I highly doubt they had Ilhan Omar in mind. People have routinely been turned away at the airport for decades so, it's nothing new.
Some people have political views that support terrorism, such as Michael Savage, an American. The situation doesn't change just because they take an elected position. This isn't unprecedented, and in fact, the same thing happened to Narenda Modi, and he's the PM of the largest democracy.
indeed, I don't understand why someone who boycotts a country, is so obsessed with visiting them. think of this as their way of saying "we support you boycotting us, and staying the hell away".
Just a moment, Craig234, before we begin our particular interlude, I must ask: do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
Because I remember you saying a while back one of the things that you made fun of conservatives for is believing Israel has a right to exist. I would like to know from what angle you are approaching this. Morality or personal malice disguised as morality.
I'm not sure about that specific law. I know several laws have been talked about since BDS's popularity so, who knows. But I highly doubt they had Ilhan Omar in mind. People have routinely been turned away at the airport for decades so, it's nothing new.
indeed, I don't understand why someone who boycotts a country, is so obsessed with visiting them. think of this as their way of saying "we support you boycotting us, and staying the hell away".
Israel obeys rump's orders to bar entry of two congresswomen!
That's a rather curious question for someone like you to ask, given that you do not believe that Palestine has a right to exist.
So, I guess the question for you is....is your "angle" one of "morality" or "malice disguised as morality"?
Are you a proud hypocrite, or are you just a confused right-winger who (like most right-wingers) hadn't previously thought through the issue?
Please, be candid in your response, Felis Leo.
Well, there you go - you are the problem as much as anyone who wants the 'destruction of Israel'. You are attacking the rights and freedoms of those millions of people as much as people who want to deny the millions of Jewish people who want a state are attacking their rights, and you deserve opposition as much as people who want to 'destroy Israel' do.
I understand that the vast majority of Palestinians want their own state, Craig234. Just as the Basque want their own state at the expense of land claimed by Spain. And as the Kurds want their own state, at the expense of land claimed by Turkey. Is a group of people wanting their own state enough to make the demand that they should have it? Or that it be given to them no matter what they do to achieve it?
As I averred to ultmd:
The reason I support the existence of Israel is because I value the existence of free, pluralistic, law-governed democracies. I consider liberty and rule of law axiomatic goods. I thus support Israel because it is a free, pluralistic, law-governed democracy. I thus support Israel's existence against its neighbors and enemies because in a contest between tyranny and democracy, I take the side of democracy. Further, I would support Israel in its struggle against its neighbors whatever the religious/ethnic/racial breakdown. Israel could be a majority-Muslim nation and I would still support its fight for continued existence if it maintained the values that Israel presently maintains.
Knowing what I value, why should I desire the existence of a Palestinian State? The Palestinian governments both in Gaza and the West Bank are currently two lawless, non-democratic tyrannies. One is a theocratic terror organization with openly genocidal designs on Israel. The other is a corrupt nationalist popular front party. Neither of them provide for elections. Both engage in the capricious abuse of power. And these are the negotiating parties we have to deal with when discussing Palestinian statehood. They are not going anywhere, and they will remain in power after the Palestinians achieve statehood. These organizations control the preponderance of deadly force that can be brought to bear against their people. They control the culture, the education, and life chances of the population under their rule.
Even if Israel disappeared tomorrow, or was not an issue in this matter, I would not be for the existence of a Palestinian state, because why should I wish for another lawless, violent tyranny to bloom in the Middle East? Does the world in general or the Middle East in particular need another theocracy like Iran in the Levant? Or a state ruled over by another single-party fascistic tyranny like that of Baathist Syria? Knowing what I value, what would your argument be as to why I should support the creation of a state which, by all the evidence, would be end up looking like one of these two?
Israel already has enough hate going on there, why would they want to have more visit?
But I thought WE were Israel's puppet? :roll:
Exactly.
And these two fanatical hate mongers deny Israel the right to exist.
Why should any country allow anybody in who denies that very country the right to exist?
I shall be candid, ultmd. You may make your judgments as to what, if anything, I am.
First, let me set the stage by saying why I support Israel:
The reason I support the existence of Israel is because I value the existence of free, pluralistic, law-governed democracies. I consider liberty and rule of law axiomatic goods. I thus support Israel because it is a free, pluralistic, law-governed democracy. I thus support Israel's existence against its neighbors and enemies because in a contest between tyranny and democracy, I take the side of democracy. Further, I would support Israel in its struggle against its neighbors whatever the religious/ethnic/racial breakdown. Israel could be a majority-Muslim nation and I would still support its fight for continued existence if it maintained the values that Israel presently maintains.
Knowing what I value, why should I desire the existence of a Palestinian State? The Palestinian governments both in Gaza and the West Bank are currently two lawless, non-democratic tyrannies. One is a theocratic terror organization with openly genocidal designs on Israel. The other is a corrupt nationalist popular front party. Neither of them provide for elections. Both engage in the capricious abuse of power. And these are the negotiating parties we have to deal with when discussing Palestinian statehood. They are not going anywhere, and they will remain in power after the Palestinians achieve statehood. These organizations control the preponderance of deadly force that can be brought to bear against their people. They control the culture, the education, and life chances of the population under their rule.
Even if Israel disappeared tomorrow, or was not an issue in this matter, I would not be for the existence of a Palestinian state, because why should I wish for another lawless, violent tyranny to bloom in the Middle East? Does the world in general or the Middle East in particular need another theocracy like Iran in the Levant? Or a state ruled over by another single-party fascistic tyranny like that of Baathist Syria? Knowing what I value, what would your argument be as to why I should support the creation of a state which, by all the evidence, would be end up looking like one of these two?
Sovereign nation bars two people; liberals lose it.
I can point out countless hateful things twump has said and done
With these two? Not even remotely.
According to their own itinerary , Ilhan Omar and Rahida Tlaib chose to refer to Israel as " PAlestine"
Their trip was little more than than a self-indulgent ploy to de-legitimize and malign the Jewish State from within its borders.
#truth
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You're really stretching. It's fun to watch.
No, it's not. You could ask the same question about Israel. The Palestinians, who were there before Israel's modern state, are not analogous to Spain's minority, really. And I actually do support the Kurds getting a state, I guess you don't. Each case is a case by case analysis. It looks like you just lump them all together if you want the answer to be no.
Nice speech. I don't believe it. As I've posted here again and again, the right shows itself the enemy of democracy. Democracy is a card they pull out only when it's convenient, such as to defend Israel in their false, idealized argument about it.
You tell a largely false version of the history and situation - and offer exactly zero solution for the rights and freedoms of the Palestinians, who appear to care zero about. If they continue to live under tyranny forever, that's what you want. 'The beatings will continue until morale improves.' 'Tyranny will continue until resistance ends.'
The organizations supporting the Palestinians have broad Palestinian support. If it weren't for them the Palestinians would suffer even more. Israel is certainly happy for them to lose their lives to neglect.
This issue has a lot more to it than your biased, simplistic, one-sided argument cares about. Your argument is no better than a paid lawyer hired to argue one side and distort the truth. In short, your only answer is 'oppress the Palestinians until they're all killed', but you just will refuse to admit it. That appears to be Israel's plan: gradually take more and more land and drive out Palestinians, until they're gone, over decades.
Your position is based on the position that Palestinians have no rights. Easy to negotiate that: they simply get to shut up and do as they're told. Your 'love of democracy' clearly is very selective, as is Israels democracy, where they increasingly legalize discrimination and treat Palestinians terribly, ignoring international law. They've manipulated the US into being their 'muscle', abusing our UN veto to protect them from the world's condemnation. You love it.
What a load of crap. That land belonged to the people living in Palestine for hundreds of years. Most Jews living in Israel today ancestors came form other countries and areas including Europe and Russia. In fact some of the families forced off the land have lived on the land for more than a thousand years. So you if you believe all of thee propaganda put out by Israel than maybe you should read some history.
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