Israel and U.S to take out Iran?

[MSgt]

Another issue that will have to be dealt with is Pakistan and it’s growing Islamic extremists movement.

True. Pakistan is a problem. Our fight is with the few, but our struggle must be with the many. The United States will never be the decisive factor in the struggle for the future of Islam. That role is reserved for Muslims themselves. So far, they have not lifted a finger, but we can play a far more constructive role than we have yet done also. While Pakistan has been wracked with phenomenal corruption and suffers from a ravaged education system that opened the door for the expansion of fundamentalist religious schools, and even though its economy is in shambles, that most-endangered state still has not strayed irretrievably into the extremist camp. India and Indonesia are the two countries with the largest Muslim populations. Each state presents a reason for hope in the world of Islam. Muslims in India mirror Muslims in our own country. They are both faced with living in different cultures and compete for religious identity. The West’s liberation of women is the essential element that renders so many Muslims irreconcilable to us. This particular set of freedoms threatens not only the Muslim male’s religious prejudices, but also his central identity. Until it successfully addresses the issue of women’s rights—full rights—Islam will not compete successfully, in any area, with the West. In that regard, Indonesia offers a hopeful example among foreign states and the Kurds offer a very ignored example for the Arabs of the Middle East (where they seem incapable of constructive change).

Our biggest obstacle to helping these people out of their oppressed state and away from this Radical disease is their host governments and Pakistan is a definate problem. Until we recognize that our focus should be to the oppressed and not to the governments that continue to oppress...we are punching at thin air, because we are used as their scapegoat. Pakistan is stuck between the military that is holding it together and the growing fanatic population that go largely unchecked. The only thing that seperates this country's internal Radical problem from nuclear access is their military....not their government.

 

[Mickyjaystoned]

In response to the person who said that Israel only attacks out of self defense i would like to show this link:

Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and the mainstream Jewish defense force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover.

In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty-three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City, where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home, which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage.

Part of the struggle for self-determination by Palestinians has been to tell the truth about Palestinians as victims of Zionism. For too long their history has been denied, and this denial has only served to further oppress and deliberately dehumanize Palestinians in Israel, inside the occupied territories, and outside in their diaspora.

Some progress has been made. Westerners now realize that Palestinians, as a people, do exist. And they have come to acknowledge that during the creation of the state of Israel, thousands of Palestinians were killed and over 700,000 were driven or frightened from their homes and lands on which they had lived for centuries.

Deir Yassin Remembered seeks similar progress on behalf of the victims of the Deir Yassin Massacre . . .
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http://www.deiryassin.org/index1.html

 

[MSgt]

In response to the person who said that Israel only attacks out of self defense i would like to show this link:

Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and the mainstream Jewish defense force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover.

In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty-three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City, where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home, which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage.

Part of the struggle for self-determination by Palestinians has been to tell the truth about Palestinians as victims of Zionism. For too long their history has been denied, and this denial has only served to further oppress and deliberately dehumanize Palestinians in Israel, inside the occupied territories, and outside in their diaspora.

Some progress has been made. Westerners now realize that Palestinians, as a people, do exist. And they have come to acknowledge that during the creation of the state of Israel, thousands of Palestinians were killed and over 700,000 were driven or frightened from their homes and lands on which they had lived for centuries.

Deir Yassin Remembered seeks similar progress on behalf of the victims of the Deir Yassin Massacre . . .
(end)

http://www.deiryassin.org/index1.html

Perhaps while you're remembering the "victims" of Deir Yassin, you should go ahead and remember the whole event instead of what is selectively presented to you. In other words, research the event before walking down an ignorant road.....

Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the UN General Assembly (on November 29, 1947), the Arab leadership rejected the plan and launched a guerilla war that included attacks on Jewish civilians. The Irgun Tsvai Leumi retaliated with attacks on Arabs, including Arab civilians.

Between November 30, 1947 and February 1, 1948 427 Arabs, 381 Jews and 46 British were killed and 1,035 Arabs, 725 Jews and 135 British were wounded. In March of 1948 alone, 271 Jews and 257 Arabs were killed.

In the twelve days following the UN decision 79 Jews were killed by Palestinians, on Nov 30 seven were killed in an attack on a Jerusalem bound bus, and on Dec 2, a mob of Palestinians looted Jewish-owned shops in Jerusalem and killed two.

The Arabs concentrated their efforts on cutting off roads to Jewish towns and Jewish neighborhoods in areas with mixed populations. They also massacred several Jewish convoys. At the end of March, the Arabs completely cut off the vital road going from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem, where one sixth of Palestine's Jews lived.

Some of these villages along Jerusalem road were attacked and demolished. The April 9 Deir Yassin massacre, by Irgun and Lehi forces, of at least 107 Arabs was denounced by Ben Gurion. Some claim the denouncement was part of an attempt to distance himself and the Haganah from the attackers, possibly to gain political advantage in the struggle to lead the as yet unformed Israeli state.

The road to Jerusalem was interdicted by Arab fighters located in the villages surrounding the road. The city of Jerusalem was under siege by the Arabs. Numerous convoys of trucks bringing food and other supplies to the besieged city were attacked. In Operation Nachshon, the Haganah continued its attacks on Arab fighters co-located with civilians, and temporarily opened the road to Jerusalem (April 20).

What you have done is made yourself a victim of propaganda. Notice how my site tells the full story and your site chose to only present to you the part where Palestinians were "victims."

Perhaps you should read about the history of Israel as well. It puts this whole notion that Palestinians are victims of terror into perspective. You can easily see that Israel has been simply fighting for survival as the aggressor demands for the world's sympathy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

 

[cherokee]

True. Pakistan is a problem. Our fight is with the few, but our struggle must be with the many. The United States will never be the decisive factor in the struggle for the future of Islam. That role is reserved for Muslims themselves. So far, they have not lifted a finger, but we can play a far more constructive role than we have yet done also. While Pakistan has been wracked with phenomenal corruption and suffers from a ravaged education system that opened the door for the expansion of fundamentalist religious schools, and even though its economy is in shambles, that most-endangered state still has not strayed irretrievably into the extremist camp. India and Indonesia are the two countries with the largest Muslim populations. Each state presents a reason for hope in the world of Islam. Muslims in India mirror Muslims in our own country. They are both faced with living in different cultures and compete for religious identity. The West’s liberation of women is the essential element that renders so many Muslims irreconcilable to us. This particular set of freedoms threatens not only the Muslim male’s religious prejudices, but also his central identity. Until it successfully addresses the issue of women’s rights—full rights—Islam will not compete successfully, in any area, with the West. In that regard, Indonesia offers a hopeful example among foreign states and the Kurds offer a very ignored example for the Arabs of the Middle East (where they seem incapable of constructive change).

Our biggest obstacle to helping these people out of their oppressed state and away from this Radical disease is their host governments and Pakistan is a definate problem. Until we recognize that our focus should be to the oppressed and not to the governments that continue to oppress...we are punching at thin air, because we are used as their scapegoat. Pakistan is stuck between the military that is holding it together and the growing fanatic population that go largely unchecked. The only thing that seperates this country's internal Radical problem from nuclear access is their military....not their government.

Agreed, The fight has to be on all levels. It’s far to easy to brainwash oppressed youth who see no future or hope.

 

[teacher]

Yes and now look at the context its in. I guess I could have said the short version of the word Jewish..

Oh, I see. It's okay when YOU do it.

How about making a joke about me using them.

Let me get this straight, are you asking me to disprespect the dead? A double-dog dare? Not gonna happen.

Maybe we can agree that Israel like any other country has and will perform controversial actions for what it sees is in its own best interests.

I'll go along with that.

Yes I'm a Jarhead, Sea going bellhop, Overseas Bell Hop and leatherneck.
I’m sorry to have to break this to you after you got your hopes up but you’re not going to have any fun with me. I’m not gay. And besides if I ever did you would never go back to cats and dogs. Was that better then the still living at home joke? :lol:

Way better.