Israel and Iran Share Most Negative Ratings in Global Poll

[Kandahar]

The internet and neoliberal free trade policies will do it without any force.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

The internet and neoliberal free trade policies will do it without any force.

Don't agree with the current state of things. Their culture is too closed and their governments too rigid to allow this.

 

[Gardener]

How exactly could islamists pass U.N resolutions against Isreal?

Well,let's see........

Take the infamous resolution # 3379, the patently stupid "zionism is racism" resolution, which was sponsored by.......(drum roll please)........

Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Cuba, Dahomey, Egypt, Guinea, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libyan Arab Republic, Mauritania, Morocco, North Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, South Yemen, Sudan, Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, and United Arab Emirates.


Are you starting to see a little pattern here, son?

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

You obviously have no case or arguments worthy of debate so I'm gracefully choosing to stop right here. However before I stop I'd just like for you to understand a very simple thing.

Extremists don't hate us because they somehow feel that we've destroyed their culture. They hate us because our culture is better and allows people to be free. Something that to them is alien and very scary. They're not interested in helping the Palestinians. They're not interested in helping the Lebanese people. They're interested in control. They want to control the world with an ideology of hate. They see democracy as the work of the devil. They have understood that the culture they are desperately trying to cling on to is outdated and will not survive unless they either enforce it on other people or they adapt. They've decided to enforce their culture on us and we have chosen to defend ourselves. Where we go now depends on them. They can decide to put their weapons down and live peacefully with us or they can keep attacking us and we'll keep defending ourselves and counter attacking. Like Israel has done for the past 50-60 years. If they complain about being bombed. It is their fault. Not ours. We're not attacking their women or children. They are attacking ours. They are cowards hiding behind a religion. Nothing more nothing else.

Exactly what you say is why we should force our culture on them instead of bombs, death and missery which is not our culture.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Exactly what you say is why we should force our culture on them instead of bombs, death and missery which is not our culture.

They'll react the same way to a forced culture as a forced military.

 

[ludahai]

The internet (sic) and neoliberal free trade policies will do it without any force.

You mean the way the Internet and neoliberal free trade policies are opening up and liberalizing China?

Next, they will have the "Great Fireline in the Sand."

 

[BudLizard101]

Exactly what you say is why we should force our culture on them instead of bombs, death and missery which is not our culture.

Wow, I'm glad they aren't thinking the exact same way as you and trying to force their culture unto us. :roll:

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

They'll react the same way to a forced culture as a forced military.

At least they will not die in massive numbers. Its clear that the muslims need "Amsterdamization", the question is hoz ze make them accept it.

Its like treating a sick child, one with a mental disorder, you dont start whipping it, you try to make it change. Its not sure it will help, but if it do help it will be great.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Wow, I'm glad they aren't thinking the exact same way as you and trying to force their culture unto us. :roll:

Then you better team up with us to let your goodhearted culture also make its impact in the insane world of islam.

 

[BudLizard101]

Then you better team up with us to let your goodhearted culture also make its impact in the insane world of islam.

Sorry, when someone tries to destroy everything I hold dear, I'm not gonna give them a hooker, bong, and techno. I guess it's that silly thing called 'self-respect' and fighting for what you believe in.

 

[RightOfCenter]

At least they will not die in massive numbers.

No, they'll just carry on their jihad and suicide attacks against the culture that is trying to change them. Islamic extremists hated the West before Iraq, mostly because of our support of Israel but also partly due to

Its clear that the muslims need "Amsterdamization", the question is hoz ze make them accept it.

I don't see why we can't continue to fight terrorist groups like Al Quaeda and introduce them to all the good things Western culture has to offer. I don't think we should start out with weed and hookers though. Maybe McDonald's and Wal Mart to show them how good it can be, before we bring in the drugs.

Its like treating a sick child, one with a mental disorder, you dont start whipping it, you try to make it change. Its not sure it will help, but if it do help it will be great.

You honestly think the Muslim extremists that killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11 are just misunderstood?

 

[Kandahar]

You mean the way the Internet and neoliberal free trade policies are opening up and liberalizing China?

Umm yes. Exactly like that. Do you deny that China is more open today than it was under Mao?

Oh I forgot, you have such blind hatred for China that you're willing to incinerate everyone on your island for a symbolic declaration of independence.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Sorry, when someone tries to destroy everything I hold dear, I'm not gonna give them a hooker, bong, and techno. I guess it's that silly thing called 'self-respect' and fighting for what you believe in.

What else do the muslims need? They need enjoyment, those are a few examples of such. Muslim countries and cultures need liberalization, they need the "70s".

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

No, they'll just carry on their jihad and suicide attacks against the culture that is trying to change them. Islamic extremists hated the West before Iraq, mostly because of our support of Israel but also partly due to


I don't see why we can't continue to fight terrorist groups like Al Quaeda and introduce them to all the good things Western culture has to offer. I don't think we should start out with weed and hookers though. Maybe McDonald's and Wal Mart to show them how good it can be, before we bring in the drugs.


You honestly think the Muslim extremists that killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11 are just misunderstood?

No, I think they are foul human beings, the reason is what we need to find out. If we can make nanotechnology we surely can find out whats wrong with a bunch of psychopaths.

 

[RightOfCenter]

No, I think they are foul human beings, the reason is what we need to find out. If we can make nanotechnology we surely can find out whats wrong with a bunch of psychopaths.

Religion is what's wrong with them. But good luck trying to get them to give that up.

 

[ludahai]

Umm yes. Exactly like that. Do you deny that China is more open today than it was under Mao?

Oh I forgot, you have such blind hatred for China that you're willing to incinerate everyone on your island for a symbolic declaration of independence.

It was not the Internet that opened up China to the LIMITED degree that it is today, it was Deng's reforms. There is a stifling of expression on the Internet in China that has no parallel in the world today. The Great Firewall of China is in full steam and only a very few have the technical ability to get around it. Political dissent is quashed, religious freedom is nearly non-existant. China is NOT liberalizing.

I don't hate China, I hate their leadership. Taiwan has the same rights as anyone else in the world. It is the Chamberlainistic approach that will result in another World War. Hitler was emboldened by the lack of resolve in Czechoslovakia. China will be similarly emboldened of Taiwan is abandoned to the expansionist Chinese.

 

[ludahai]

Religion is what's wrong with them. But good luck trying to get them to give that up.

Religion is not the problem, it is how that religion has been hijacked by a small number of hateful extremists. Islam has a long history of tolerance to others, including the Jews.

 

[Kandahar]

It was not the Internet that opened up China to the LIMITED degree that it is today, it was Deng's reforms.

Right. I mentioned neoliberal free trade policies, along with the internet.

There is a stifling of expression on the Internet in China that has no parallel in the world today. The Great Firewall of China is in full steam and only a very few have the technical ability to get around it. Political dissent is quashed, religious freedom is nearly non-existant. China is NOT liberalizing.

It's certainly more liberal now than it was under communism. I'm not saying that free trade and the internet will instantly make every country in the world into Vermont. I'm saying that they'll open those countries up over time. It's working quite well in China.

I don't hate China, I hate their leadership. Taiwan has the same rights as anyone else in the world. It is the Chamberlainistic approach that will result in another World War. Hitler was emboldened by the lack of resolve in Czechoslovakia. China will be similarly emboldened of Taiwan is abandoned to the expansionist Chinese.

You've said yourself that a war between China and Taiwan is "inevitable," so you may as well fight it now. You also said that you'll be catching the first plane off the island rather than face the consequences of the policies you advocate.

 

[ludahai]

Right. I mentioned neoliberal free trade policies, along with the internet.

And if you think China is a bastion of openness and dissent, you are fooling yourself. It is actually WORSE there not than it was ten years ago.

It's certainly more liberal now than it was under communism. I'm not saying that free trade and the internet will instantly make every country in the world into Vermont. I'm saying that they'll open those countries up over time. It's working quite well in China.

It is not working well in China. Under what definition is it working well in China? In the laogai? The Christians in jail because they choose to worship as they see fit? To any one who opposes the Communist regime? To anyone who has had their ancestral land taken away?

You've said yourself that a war between China and Taiwan is "inevitable," so you may as well fight it now. You also said that you'll be catching the first plane off the island rather than face the consequences of the policies you advocate.

Where have I said that I would get on the first plane off the island. I would, of course, do what I can to ensure the safety of my family. However, the policies I advocate would NOT result in war if the rest of the international community would stand for the rights of the people of Taiwan.

 

[Gardener]

. Islam has a long history of tolerance to others, including the Jews.

If forcing anybody who is not Muslim to live as complete second class citizens is "tolerance", then you are right.

I believe if a person told you that they would "tolerate" you (i/e -- not kill you) only if you paid them off, you would consider it extortion, though.


Jizya. Look it up, dude.

 

[Maximus Zeebra]

Religion is not the problem, it is how that religion has been hijacked by a small number of hateful extremists. Islam has a long history of tolerance to others, including the Jews.

Thats right, but all of Islam at this moment is changing their views on almost every issue, and they are seriously unsynced with most of the rest of the world. Its the whole public opinion, not just the few like you say.

 

[ludahai]

If forcing anybody who is not Muslim to live as complete second class citizens is "tolerance", then you are right.

I believe if a person told you that they would "tolerate" you (i/e -- not kill you) only if you paid them off, you would consider it extortion, though.


Jizya. Look it up, dude.

When European countries were kicking Jews out, the Muslims in the Ottoman Empire were welcoming them with open arms.