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Gardener, you should cut the guy some slack. He hasn't indulged in any of those things which you ascribe to the behaviour of 'pro-Islam apologists'. Read the thread from page 1 and you'll see he's sincere and completely unbigotted in his arguments. In response he received buckets of wild generalisations about 'Europeans' as if they were some homogenous, single ethnic nationality, comments that wouldn't be accurate even then. Such as...
Actually, the problem I have here relates to the labelling. He describes himself as a moderate, but he responds to moderate positions by assailing them entirely from a dogmatic leftist position. He has convinced himself that "Islamophobia" is the new antisemitism, which is downright silly considering the many dissimilarities between the two. As I seem to recall, Jews were not indulging in widespread terrorim, nor advocating world-wide Jewish domination in the twenties or thirties, and the very attempt to paint this "Islamophobia" as equivalent to antisemitism reveals such an agenda at work to the degree that any subsequent argumentaion is rendered meaningless. Once again, it is those on the hard left who, once having posited themselves as "moderate", go about the business of conflating Islam and Islamism, and react to concerns over the latter with accusations of prejudice against the former. That is what makes it apologia in that there is no attempt to acknowledge the very real concerns people have with mindsets that are so archly regressive and intolerant in nature as to be completely incompatable with liberal, western societies.
Objection to a political philosophy is NOT an act of bigotry, even as those with a politically correct agenda might try to paint it as such.
I've got a bit of time for MSgt, but his tack was wholly uncalled for as German Guy didn't do any finger pointing or generalising about the US, quite the opposite, he pointed out how much he does not share that alleged attitude of some Europeans. Why project onto him your frustration at the actions of others. He has been nothing but rational and courteous throughout. I would have thought you'd welcome a relatively new, moderate and thoughtful poster to the forum.
Msgt is not an ignorant man by ANY stretch of the imagination, and his writing is so forceful as to preclude any possibility that he isn't very sharp. Even if the reference to "anti_muslim bigots, anti-European bigots", "anti-German bigots" or those not enjoying a "proper" (European) education WEREN'T addressing Msgt, they were certainly leveled at some in this thread, so perhaps I am just not interpreting these accusations as being quite as fully indicative of thoughtfulness and courtesy as do you.
Islamism is nasty stuff. It is brutal, oppressive, totalitarian, rigid and represents nothing less than that "boot stomping on a human face forever" of which Orwell warned. Accusations that those who object to it by all these false claims that any who do so are acting out of bigotry is a meme hatched by the very people who are served by such attempts at intimidation -- Islamists whose political agenda IS at odds with the western world. That so many Europeans are reproducing this meme indicates to me that perhaps you folks are a bit less heterogenous than you claim.