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Islamic Fighters Connect in Africa.....

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The Westgate Mall attack in Kenya threw the spotlight on al-Shabab, a Somalia-based group of Islamic militants that claimed responsibility. But its relationship with al-Hijra, a relatively obscure cell of extremists in Kenya, represents what terrorism analysts say is a worrying trend in Africa: an increase in collaboration among religious radicals across borders and vast, poorly policed regions.

For now, the experts say, this networking lets militant groups in Africa aid one another in the face of pressure from security forces, but doesn't entail a coordinated, continent-wide strategy that could sideline the local agendas they hold dear. The fear is that the more these groups talk to each other, the more people they will kill as they thwart efforts to contain them.

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But some observers believe al-Hijra may have played a role in the mall attack, noting its close ties to Somali militants.
Al-Hijra, formerly known as the Muslim Youth Center, has been "plagued by unexplained killings, disappearances, continuous 'catch and release' arrest raids and operational disruptions," the United Nations said in a July report on Somalia and Eritrea. "Al-Hijra is striving to regain the initiative, in part through its fighters in Somalia returning to conduct new and more complex operations and through strengthening its ties to other groups in the region," the U.N. report said. It said al-Hijra was building links with extremists in Tanzania, as well as al-Shabab affiliates in Rwanda and Burundi.

Other key groups are al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, in north and west Africa; Nigeria's Boko Haram, blamed for mass killings of civilians in the past week; and al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, based in Yemen, across the Gulf of Aden from Somalia.

Braniff noted "increasing lethality of groups on the periphery of al-Qaida." According to U.S. State Department figures, Somalia and Nigeria were among the top 10 countries with the most terrorist attacks in the world in 2012.....snip~

Islamic fighters connect in Africa

Well we knew this would be the next step in the Strategy.....co-operation and working together. How do they prevent this from happening, especially in Africa? These countries governments never collaborate together over anything. So why should it fall to any outside their own Continent?

Another concern would be all the enforceable Action resolutions that the French is filing in the UN over many of these countries in Africa. Seeking to involve others from the West to come in and save the day for the French. Who wont take their asses in and handle their own interference with these countries. Shouldn't something be said to the French about getting involved into others affairs. Shouldn't they be reminded they are no power and have no power. So they don't have a Right to dictate nor stir up any problems?
 

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Another concern would be all the enforceable Action resolutions that the French is filing in the UN over many of these countries in Africa. Seeking to involve others from the West to come in and save the day for the French. Who wont take their asses in and handle their own interference with these countries. Shouldn't something be said to the French about getting involved into others affairs. Shouldn't they be reminded they are no power and have no power. So they don't have a Right to dictate nor stir up any problems?

What would be the result of France not getting involved? Mali would most surely fall to the islamist militia.
I don't think you are giving the french army it's due of accomplishment. The french presence in mali is the only one that is keeping the peace with Mali troops being either exhausted or poorly trained to handle the overzealous jihadi fighters. And the Mali president is actually thankful for the intervention. They just had a meeting a week ago in Paris or so I believe and had a conference.

i agree, France shouldn't go in other countries or try and pass resolutions regarding other countries that don't invite that. But that's not the case with Mali. And France shouldn't seek to drag other western nations who have no interest in war into the whole affair.

On the issue of the islamist militia. As I said before, there is no knowing how well connected and how large the jihadi force is. We know that they were the first to go to the aid of the rebels in Libya and chances are that they set up shop in Libya and have training/recruiting camps there now. We also don't have any proof as to who is the big money behind the jihadi forces. I mean al-shabab is one person and his family is wealthy, but we can speculate that Saudi Arabia for instance is a supporter. maybe also some northern african states like Morrocco. We just don't know for sure what the deal with the islamist militia in Africa is, except that it has waged several wars over the past 40+ years in the attempt of getting sharia law installed in many countries.

And though I don't support any kind of intervention, especially military, and I don't think the US or Britain should get involved, the truth is that if left on their own, the chance for an islamist regime to be installed is far greater. And what military force in Africa is capable of engaging and maybe defeating the islamist militia? The African union? Bah... I will be shocked, SHOCKED, if after all the fighting is done in Somalia we won't find out that the kenyans from the African union did quite a few massacres on their way to attack the islamist territory in Somalia. I also suspect that Doctors without borders were thrown out of Somalia for the same purpose, to blind the west to whatever will be happening there. Ofc, this is just speculation... educated guess based on what kenyans are known to do best. And I'm not talking about running, I'm talking about massacres. After all, it was just 30 years ago that they massacred an entire somali village (Wagalla). Maybe the kenyan govt thinks another massacre is long overdue.

South Africa -> the most prosperous and stable subsaharan country? It's too busy killing its own people, permitting the genocide of the boers and letting the police beat the protesting miners to death.
 
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What would be the result of France not getting involved? Mali would most surely fall to the islamist militia.
I don't think you are giving the french army it's due of accomplishment. The french presence in mali is the only one that is keeping the peace with Mali troops being either exhausted or poorly trained to handle the overzealous jihadi fighters. And the Mali president is actually thankful for the intervention. They just had a meeting a week ago in Paris or so I believe and had a conference.

i agree, France shouldn't go in other countries or try and pass resolutions regarding other countries that don't invite that. But that's not the case with Mali. And France shouldn't seek to drag other western nations who have no interest in war into the whole affair.

On the issue of the islamist militia. As I said before, there is no knowing how well connected and how large the jihadi force is. We know that they were the first to go to the aid of the rebels in Libya and chances are that they set up shop in Libya and have training/recruiting camps there now. We also don't have any proof as to who is the big money behind the jihadi forces. I mean al-shabab is one person and his family is wealthy, but we can speculate that Saudi Arabia for instance is a supporter. maybe also some northern african states like Morrocco. We just don't know for sure what the deal with the islamist militia in Africa is, except that it has waged several wars over the past 40+ years in the attempt of getting sharia law installed in many countries.

And though I don't support any kind of intervention, especially military, and I don't think the US or Britain should get involved, the truth is that if left on their own, the chance for an islamist regime to be installed is far greater. And what military force in Africa is capable of engaging and maybe defeating the islamist militia? The African union? Bah... I will be shocked, SHOCKED, if after all the fighting is done in Somalia we won't find out that the kenyans from the African union did quite a few massacres on their way to attack the islamist territory in Somalia. I also suspect that Doctors without borders were thrown out of Somalia for the same purpose, to blind the west to whatever will be happening there. Ofc, this is just speculation... educated guess based on what kenyans are known to do best. And I'm not talking about running, I'm talking about massacres. After all, it was just 30 years ago that they massacred an entire somali village (Wagalla). Maybe the kenyan govt thinks another massacre is long overdue.

South Africa -> the most prosperous and stable subsaharan country? It's too busy killing its own people, permitting the genocide of the boers and letting the police beat the protesting miners to death.

Mornin RM :2wave: .....tell you one thing. Those guys in that pic best get some boots on. Or don't even think of engaging into hand to hand. Or should I say a foot stomping good time? :lol:

Myself.....I don't have a problem with the French if they handle their own business and not have to mooch off others. Not have to get saved at the end of the day by others too.

You said the those magic words. Islamist Militias......and all over the place and networking. Many becoming offshoots to AQ and some becoming part of AQ. We cannot think killing them physically is going to get rid of the problem. We need to go after the ideology and not allow them to use their Religion.
 

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Mornin RM :2wave: .....tell you one thing. Those guys in that pic best get some boots on. Or don't even think of engaging into hand to hand. Or should I say a foot stomping good time? :lol:

Myself.....I don't have a problem with the French if they handle their own business and not have to mooch off others. Not have to get saved at the end of the day by others too.

You said the those magic words. Islamist Militias......and all over the place and networking. Many becoming offshoots to AQ and some becoming part of AQ. We cannot think killing them physically is going to get rid of the problem. We need to go after the ideology and not allow them to use their Religion.

True, ideas and ideologies are bulletproof... but Islam has 1.4bil followers. Now I'm not going to pull some numbers out of my ass and say that "10% want to kill us" like some people do on TV but I will say this.

When Islam started out in the VIIth century, it expanded by word and sword so fast that in 2 centuries, from the fragile beginning in Mecca it grew to expand in all of Arabian peinsula, the ME all the way up to Syria and Iraq, all the way to Afghanistan and even NW India, southern India to some extend, all of N Africa, south Iberian peninsula and mediterranian islands. In 2 centuries. This kind of enduring conquest has never been matched or rivaled since.
And yes, I know, Alexander the Great and Ghenghis khan did miracle conquest that rival or surpass islam but their empires lived and died with them. The islamic empire endured.
And islam managed to this through holy war, jihad. i doubt that external forces can prevail in minimizing the extraordinary power of persuasion that this religion has on the frail mind. It can manipulate people amazingly. It wouldn't be one of the worlds large religions if it didn't. Unless it gets reformed from within, you and I, the West, cannot minimize it's impact in the territories that are under islam.
 

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True, ideas and ideologies are bulletproof... but Islam has 1.4bil followers. Now I'm not going to pull some numbers out of my ass and say that "10% want to kill us" like some people do on TV but I will say this.

When Islam started out in the VIIth century, it expanded by word and sword so fast that in 2 centuries, from the fragile beginning in Mecca it grew to expand in all of Arabian peinsula, the ME all the way up to Syria and Iraq, all the way to Afghanistan and even NW India, southern India to some extend, all of N Africa, south Iberian peninsula and mediterranian islands. In 2 centuries. This kind of enduring conquest has never been matched or rivaled since.
And yes, I know, Alexander the Great and Ghenghis khan did miracle conquest that rival or surpass islam but their empires lived and died with them. The islamic empire endured.
And islam managed to this through holy war, jihad. i doubt that external forces can prevail in minimizing the extraordinary power of persuasion that this religion has on the frail mind. It can manipulate people amazingly. It wouldn't be one of the worlds large religions if it didn't. Unless it gets reformed from within, you and I, the West, cannot minimize it's impact in the territories that are under islam.

Yeah....thats why all those so called Moderate Clerics should be out Spreading their word. Also letting the women know where they really stand. Talking about tolerance and helping them to understand. Taking down all those Old time Clerics that don't have a clue but are always stirring stuff up. Always calling for Jihad. Course if their own people would lay a smack down on those types of Clerics where they know if they open their mouths and spew the Chaos rhetoric. That they will be physically harmed. We might be able to get a hold on that ideology. Or at least.....prove to them that if they show no Tolerance. Then neither will we. Which in plain English.....they will know what we mean and where they really stand in the Big Picture of things.
 
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