Islam

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Why are atheists defending Islam and claiming that modern science came from muslims when not one of the founding fathers of modern science were muslims. Islam is based on theft and if they can steal knowledge from other nations they will use that knowledge. But if they are unable to steal knowledge they are left with their own beliefs which teach no science at all. Islam is a totalitarian death cult which has an ultimate agenda of exterminating over 5-billion people on earth. When the earth is conquered by Islam and those left alive are all muslims, then the muslims have to destroy the earth so that life can no longer grow here, leaving the earth a desolate place barren of life where nothing grows. This is what Islam teaches and atheists/liberals defend it. But why? Atheists surely get nothing about of defending Islam.

There is not one verse in the entire Qur'an that is peaceful towards non-muslims. Islam is always violent and completely barbaric. Is this what atheists want to be defending? How can muslims be responsible for the rise of modern civilization when they contributed nothing? Islam is not a science friendly religion and nothing in the Islamic beliefs allows for scientific advances. There is a reason why the Islamic world today is so backwards from the rest of the world. Its their beliefs. When muslims steal knowledge from other nations then they can expand in ways which will strengthen their military. But when Islam cannot steal knowledge they cannot advance at anything. This is because there is no useful knowledge in the Qur'an

Nickyjo · Sep 7, 2018

Ploughboy said:
Why are atheists defending Islam and claiming that modern science came from muslims when not one of the founding fathers of modern science were muslims. Islam is based on theft and if they can steal knowledge from other nations they will use that knowledge. But if they are unable to steal knowledge they are left with their own beliefs which teach no science at all. Islam is a totalitarian death cult which has an ultimate agenda of exterminating over 5-billion people on earth. When the earth is conquered by Islam and those left alive are all muslims, then the muslims have to destroy the earth so that life can no longer grow here, leaving the earth a desolate place barren of life where nothing grows. This is what Islam teaches and atheists/liberals defend it. But why? Atheists surely get nothing about of defending Islam.

There is not one verse in the entire Qur'an that is peaceful towards non-muslims. Islam is always violent and completely barbaric. Is this what atheists want to be defending? How can muslims be responsible for the rise of modern civilization when they contributed nothing? Islam is not a science friendly religion and nothing in the Islamic beliefs allows for scientific advances. There is a reason why the Islamic world today is so backwards from the rest of the world. Its their beliefs. When muslims steal knowledge from other nations then they can expand in ways which will strengthen their military. But when Islam cannot steal knowledge they cannot advance at anything. This is because there is no useful knowledge in the Qur'an

So what is this asshole’s purpose in creating this video? That we should not let Muslims take credit for too much? That the Crusades made sense? That Jews are smarter than Muslims? That the rules found in the Koran make more sense than those in Leviticus? That the Spanish and Portuguese were tainted by Islam and that’s why they conquered and enslaved much of the Western Hemisphere? That Islam’s emphasis on conquest is more evil than manifest destiny?

What a crock.

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Nickyjo said:
So what is this asshole’s purpose in creating this video? That we should not let Muslims take credit for too much? That the Crusades made sense? That Jews are smarter than Muslims? That the rules found in the Koran make more sense than those in Leviticus? That the Spanish and Portuguese were tainted by Islam and that’s why they conquered and enslaved much of the Western Hemisphere? That Islam’s emphasis on conquest is more evil than manifest destiny?

What a crock.

The Crusades were a 300 year delayed response to the (muslim) Moors sack on the Christian lands in which they carried away with them thousands of years of western knowledge back to Islamo-land. This signified the Dark Ages which lasted for several centuries. The Crusades drove the muslims out of Europe and eventually retrieved the stolen knowledge of the west. The result of the crusades was a new paradigm of history called the Renaissance. This new era brought stolen books from the classical era. After this, the muslims are left in the dust with their own beliefs. America invents the first airplane (Isa.60:8) and soon goes to the moon. Meanwhile, back in Islamo-land, muslims are left with their own beliefs and the teachings of Muhammad which are nothing but the mad rantings of a psychopath.

Jews are by far smarter then muslims as Noble Prizes prove. This is because Jews worship the real God and the beliefs of muslims are evil and hold them backwards. But don't worry, Muhammad had mighty and profound things to say.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 3 (The Book of Knowledge), Chapter 41, hadith 116,

"(41) CHAPTER.To speak about (religious) knowledge at night.
116.Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Once the Prophet led us in the Isha prayer during the last days of his life and after finishing it [the salat (prayer) with Yaslim] he said: "Do you realize (the importance of) this night?" Nobody present on the surface of the earth tonight will be living after the completion of one hundred years from this night."

:shock: :lamo

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3869,

"Narrated 'Abdullah: The moon was split (into two pieces) while we were with the Prophet in Mina. He said, "Be witness." Then a piece of the moon went towards the mountain."

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3868

"Narrated Anas bin Malik: The people of Makkah asked Allah's Messenger to show them a miracle. So, he showed them the moon split in two halves till they saw the Hira mountain, in between them."

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3870,

"Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: During the lifetime of Allah's Messenger the moon was split (into two pieces)."

:lamo :lamo

So Muhammad was a great scientist who caused the moon to be split into two pieces and this well known astronomical event can only be verified in the Hadith :roll:

But Islamic sciences had not developed enough to explain how the moon came back together into one piece again.

Muhammad even solved how a man ejaculates semen:

Noble Qur'an 86:5-7,

5. So let man observe from what he was created.
6. He was created from a fluid, ejected,
7. Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.

Muhammad is also the greatest defense and culture warrior against Christianity, for he knew the earth was spherical,

Noble Qur'an 88:16-21 (with emphasis on verse 20)

16. And rich carpets (all) spread out.

17. Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?

18. And at the heaven, how it is raised?

19. And at the mountains, how they rooted (and fixed firm)?

20. And at the earth, how it is outspread?

21. So remind them (O Muhammad)---you are only one who reminds.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Feras Hamza Translation),

Verse 20: "And the earth, how it was laid out flat?, and thus infer from this the power of Allah, exalted be He, and His Oneness? The commencing with the [mention of] camels is because they are closer in contact with it [the earth] than any other [animal]. As for the words sutihat, 'laid our flat', this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars of the [revealed] Law, and not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay'a) have it, even if this [latter] does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law."

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Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Keep in mind Tafsir Al-Jalalayn is a classical tafsir of the Qur'an and well accepted in Islam, especially or its ease of use. The astronomers referred to in this interpretation of the Qur'an are not modern astronomers but ancient 15th century Islamic astronomers. You see, when muslims go against what the Qur'an says they can learn many things and be just as smart as anyone else on the planet. But when they follow their own beliefs they are stuck with the flat earth!

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Islam is also the most tolerant to free speech and expression, allowing for anyone to disagree with Muhammad as stated in the beloved Ash Shifa.

Ash Shifa (Aisha Bewley translation):

Part 4, Chapter 1, Section 1, p.376

"Habib ibn Rabi' al-Qarawi said that the school of Malik and his companions is that anyone who says anything disparaging about the Prophet is killed without being asked to repent.
Ibn ' Attab said that the Book of Sunna require that someone who intends to even slightly harm or disparage the Prophet, either by allusion or clear statement, must be killed."

Part 4, Chapter 1, Section 2, p.376

SECTION 2
The Proof of the necessity of killing anyone who curses the Prophet or finds fault with him

"The Qur'an says that Allah curses the one who harms the Prophet in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorized as an unbeliever. The judgement of the unbeliever is that he is killed."

Section 2, continued..p.378

"Similarly on the Day of Conquest, he ordered the killing of Ibn Khatal and his two slavegirls who used to sing his curses on the Prophet."

Section 2, continued..pp.378-379

"Abdu'r-Razzaq mentioned that a man cursed the Prophet, causing the Prophet to say, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Az-Zubayr said, "I will." He sent az-Zubayr and he killed him.
It is related that a woman used to curse the Prophet and he said, "Who will save me from my enemy?" Khalid ibn al-Walid went out and killed her.
It is related that a man forged lies against the Prophet and he sent 'Ali and az-Zubayr to kill him.
Ibn Qani' related that a man came to the Prophet and said, "Messenger of Allah, I heard my father say something ugly about you, so I killed him," and that did not distress the Prophet.
Al-Mujahir ibn Umayya, the Amir of Yemen, reported to Abu Bakr that a woman there in the time of Ridda chanted curses against the Prophet, so he cut off her hand and pulled out her front teeth. When Abu Bakr heard that, he said to him, "If you had not done what you already did, I would have commanded you to kill her because the hadd regarding the Prophet is not like the hadd regarding others."
Ibn 'Abbas said that a woman from Khatma satirised the Prophet and the Prophet said, "Who will deal with her for me?" A man from her people said, "I will, Messenger of Allah." The man got up and went and killed her. He told the Prophet, "Two goats will not lock horns over her."
Ibn 'Abbas said that a blind man has an umm walad who used to curse the Prophet. He scolded her and restrained her, but she would not be restrained. That night she began to attack and revile the Prophet, so he killed her. He told the Prophet about that and he said he has shed her blood with impunity."

Part Four, Chapter 1, Section 5, p.387,

"Muhammad ibn Sahnun said, "Anyone who doubts a single letter which Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, brought, is a denying unbeliever."
He said that the judgement against anyone who rejects the Prophet is that he is killed.
Ahmad ibn Sulayman, Sahnun's companion, said that whoever says that the Prophet was black is killed. The Prophet was not black.
Abu 'Uthman al-Haddad said something similar and said that if someone said the Prophet died before his beard began to grow or that he was in Tahart (Morocco) and not Tihama, he is killed because this constitutes denial.
Habib ibn ar-Rabi said that it is disbelief to alter his description and its details. The one who does that openly is an unbeliever. He is asked to repent. The one who conceals it is a heretic and is killed without being asked to repent."

I'm sure Muhammad's teachings here will really liberate atheists :shock::doh

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Noble Qur'an 2:173, The Cow (Madinah Period)

"He has forbidden you only the Maytatah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah (or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering). But if one is forced by necessity without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then there is no sin on him. Truly, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi,

"Carrion,
This applies to animals which are normally slaughtered but have died without being slaughtered, and to animals which may not be eaten even if they have been slaughtered, such as beasts of prey.
This ayat in general and is qualified by the words of the Prophet, "Two kinds of carrion are lawful for us: fish and locusts; and the blood of the liver and spleen is also lawful." (ad-Daraqutni). This is an instance of the hadith qualifying a general text in the Qur'an. Most of the people of knowledge permit the eating of all the animals of the sea, alive or dead, and this is the school of Malik. He hesitated about "sea pigs" (dolphins) and said, "You said 'pig'!" Ibn al-Qasim said, "I am cautious about it but do not think that it is haram."

and what has been consecrated to other than Allah.
This is something over which other than the Name of Allah was mentioned when it was slaughtered. It refers to the slaughtering done by Magians, idol worshippers and atheists. The idol worshipper sacrifices to an idol, the Magian to the fire, and the atheist, who does not believe in anything, slaughters for himself. There is no disagreement among the scholars that whatever a Magian or idol worshipper slaughters to their idol or fire may not be eaten. According to Malik, ash-Shafi'i and others, what such people sacrifice to the fire or idol may not be eaten at all. Ibn al-Musayyab and Abu Thawr, however, permit that meat to be eaten if it is slaughtered for a Muslim at his order. This will be explained in more detail in Surat al-Ma'ida. The word "consecration" (uhilla) means "to raise the voice". Ibn 'Abbas said, "What is meant is what is sacrificed to idols and stones." The custom of the Arabs was to shout the name of the one intended by the sacrifice. That was their usual practice and so it is considered to be tantamount to the intention.

But anyone who is forced to eat it--
If someone is physically forced to drink wine, he may drink it but if it is on account of hunger or thirst, he should not do so. That is what Malik said according to al-'Utbiyya. It is the position of ash-Shafi'i. Allah completely forbade wine and forbade carrion provided that there is no dire necessity. Al-Abhari says, "If wine will remove hunger or thirst from him, he should drink it because Allah says that pigs are impure but then permits them in case of necessity. Allah calls wine an impurity and it should be included under the same permission as that of pigs in necessity according to the apparent meaning which is stronger than using analogy. Asbagh related that Ibn al-Qasim said, "Someone in dire need may drink blood but not wine. He may eat carrion but not take advantage of lost camels." Ibn Wahb also said that. He may drink urine but should not go near wine because the hadd is obliged for it, and because of this the prohibition is stronger.
If someone chokes on food, is wine allowed or not to relieve it? It is said that it is not, out of the fear that people will simply use that as an excuse. Ibn Habib claims that it is permitted in that instance because it is a case of necessity. Ibn al-'Arabi said, "Someone who chokes on something is permitted it in respect of what is between him and Allah. As for what is between him and us, if we see him, the circumstances are not hidden from us in that he is choking on something and so he is believed if he shows that. If he does not show it, he is given the hadd outwardly but is safe from the punishment of Allah inwardly if it really is the case."
If someone who is in dire need finds carrion, pork and human flesh, he may eat carrion because it is halal for him in that one situation whereas pork and human flesh never are, and so it is better to go for the lessor prohibition. . . . . This is the rule in these judgments. He should not eat human flesh, even if that results in his death. Our scholars said that and Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Da'ud relate that. Ash-Shafi'i says that he would.

Or going to excess in it--
Masruq said, "If someone needs to eat carrion, blood, and pork, and then does not eat and dies as a consequence, he will enter the Fire unless Allah pardons him. Eating carrion in necessity is an allowance but in his case becomes mandatory."

Slingshot Bob · Sep 7, 2018

Don't you know? Any criticism of islam automatically brands you an "islamaphobic racist"?

No equivalent term exists for Christianity haters, wonder why?

blarg · Sep 7, 2018

Ploughboy said:
Why are atheists defending Islam and claiming that modern science came from muslims when not one of the founding fathers of modern science were muslims. Islam is based on theft and if they can steal knowledge from other nations they will use that knowledge. But if they are unable to steal knowledge they are left with their own beliefs which teach no science at all. Islam is a totalitarian death cult which has an ultimate agenda of exterminating over 5-billion people on earth. When the earth is conquered by Islam and those left alive are all muslims, then the muslims have to destroy the earth so that life can no longer grow here, leaving the earth a desolate place barren of life where nothing grows. This is what Islam teaches and atheists/liberals defend it. But why? Atheists surely get nothing about of defending Islam.

There is not one verse in the entire Qur'an that is peaceful towards non-muslims. Islam is always violent and completely barbaric. Is this what atheists want to be defending? How can muslims be responsible for the rise of modern civilization when they contributed nothing? Islam is not a science friendly religion and nothing in the Islamic beliefs allows for scientific advances. There is a reason why the Islamic world today is so backwards from the rest of the world. Its their beliefs. When muslims steal knowledge from other nations then they can expand in ways which will strengthen their military. But when Islam cannot steal knowledge they cannot advance at anything. This is because there is no useful knowledge in the Qur'an

dont know of nay one who says islam created science pretty sure humans did that regardless of what faith they may have had

hate islamists as much as the next theocrat but pretty sure even they let leone all muslims don't believe they have to destroy the biosphere

fairly sure not all muslisms want to forcibly convert enslave or kill every one

tell me what happens to people that dont go along with your version of religion according to your religion

blarg · Sep 7, 2018

Ploughboy said:
The Crusades were a 300 year delayed response to the (muslim) Moors sack on the Christian lands in which they carried away with them thousands of years of western knowledge back to Islamo-land. This signified the Dark Ages which lasted for several centuries. The Crusades drove the muslims out of Europe and eventually retrieved the stolen knowledge of the west. The result of the crusades was a new paradigm of history called the Renaissance. This new era brought stolen books from the classical era. After this, the muslims are left in the dust with their own beliefs. America invents the first airplane (Isa.60:8) and soon goes to the moon. Meanwhile, back in Islamo-land, muslims are left with their own beliefs and the teachings of Muhammad which are nothing but the mad rantings of a psychopath.

Jews are by far smarter then muslims as Noble Prizes prove. This is because Jews worship the real God and the beliefs of muslims are evil and hold them backwards. But don't worry, Muhammad had mighty and profound things to say.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 3 (The Book of Knowledge), Chapter 41, hadith 116,

:shock: :lamo

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3869,

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3868

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3870,

:lamo :lamo

So Muhammad was a great scientist who caused the moon to be split into two pieces and this well known astronomical event can only be verified in the Hadith :roll:

But Islamic sciences had not developed enough to explain how the moon came back together into one piece again.

Muhammad even solved how a man ejaculates semen:

Noble Qur'an 86:5-7,

Muhammad is also the greatest defense and culture warrior against Christianity, for he knew the earth was spherical,

Noble Qur'an 88:16-21 (with emphasis on verse 20)

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Feras Hamza Translation),

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zyzygy · Sep 7, 2018

"I hate Muslims" would be quicker.

zyzygy · Sep 7, 2018

Slingshot Bob said:
Don't you know? Any criticism of islam automatically brands you an "islamaphobic racist"?

No equivalent term exists for Christianity haters, wonder why?

Saying that all Muslims want to kill me deserves some kind of a brand. The vast majority of Muslims ignore parts of the Koran just as the vast majority of Christians ignore parts of the Bible.

zyzygy · Sep 7, 2018

Evil Bible .com – Fighting Against Immorality in Religion

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-14-Most-Abominable-Bible-Verses-20121224

The most ridiculous, disgusting, evil Bible verses (Believe It Or Not)

Another gruesome verse to make the list was Psalm 137, which celebrates this terrible revenge: "Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html

zyzygy · Sep 7, 2018

Slingshot Bob said:
Don't you know? Any criticism of islam automatically brands you an "islamaphobic racist"?

No equivalent term exists for Christianity haters, wonder why?

That's because nobody comes here and tells us that all Christians are trying to kill us.

Rich2018 · Sep 7, 2018

Ploughboy said:
Why are atheists defending Islam and claiming that modern science came from muslims when not one of the founding fathers of modern science were muslims. Islam is based on theft and if they can steal knowledge from other nations they will use that knowledge. But if they are unable to steal knowledge they are left with their own beliefs which teach no science at all. Islam is a totalitarian death cult which has an ultimate agenda of exterminating over 5-billion people on earth. When the earth is conquered by Islam and those left alive are all muslims, then the muslims have to destroy the earth so that life can no longer grow here, leaving the earth a desolate place barren of life where nothing grows. This is what Islam teaches and atheists/liberals defend it. But why? Atheists surely get nothing about of defending Islam....

To you modern science appears to be that done by scientists who believed in your Christian God.

Baghdad was indeed a center fo great learning until first the Mongols destroyed the city and second is a Muslim cleric al Ghazali who denied scientific laws. He said that each and every individual thing that happens in the world is the Will of Allah and Allah's Will is free therefore not bound by any law or principle. Al Ghazali rejected the concept of scientific law ...where have you heard that before?

You say Islam is based on theft ?
This coming from a Christian whose faith lifted the Jewish Torah and called it the Old Testament...along with plagiarizing many other religions for the story of Jesus.

You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Slingshot Bob said:
Don't you know? Any criticism of islam automatically brands you an "islamaphobic racist"?

No equivalent term exists for Christianity haters, wonder why?

Exactly. But these atheists who think they have found their culture warrior in their fight against goodness and normalcy are gonna find out a hard lesson when they finally discover what true Islam is all about.

vegas giants · Sep 7, 2018

Ploughboy said:
Exactly. But these atheists who think they have found their culture warrior in their fight against goodness and normalcy are gonna find out a hard lesson when they finally discover what true Islam is all about.

Would you like to ban Islam in the US?

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

zyzygy said:
Evil Bible .com – Fighting Against Immorality in Religion

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-14-Most-Abominable-Bible-Verses-20121224

The most ridiculous, disgusting, evil Bible verses (Believe It Or Not)

Another gruesome verse to make the list was Psalm 137, which celebrates this terrible revenge: "Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us / He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6120373/Top-10-worst-Bible-passages.html

Typical illiterate atheists thinks he has morals but is bound only to moral relativism and hypocrisy.

The entire Psalm 137
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+137&version=MEV

Whats comes around goes around and ancient Babylon had what was coming to them which they got in return for their evil done against Israel and other nations. Its called justice. If you dash children against the rocks then someone mightier than you will do the same to your children.

But what ancient Israel did was confined solely to ancient Israel. The law of Israel was only for Israel and not the world. The law of the world is found in the NT and that law comes with the free will to accept or reject it and there is no command to kill anyone who rejects the Gospel. Nevertheless, its still the law of the world and when Christ Himself returns He will enforce that law on the Day of God's Wrath. But this is not done by the believers in Christ but by Christ and His angels that surround the earth and effortlessly conquer the armies of the earth, leaving all armies of this world who decide to engage Christ and His angels a feast for the fowl of the air who gorge themselves on their flesh. This battle and its outcome is mentioned in Revelation but it will be ignored as atheists think they can beat God.

Islam, on the other hand, according to the Qur'an and Sunnah is the law of the world which is enforced by jihad. All nations are an inheritance to the muslims who emigrate for jihad just as they've been instructed to do so by Muhammad. The mass genocide of 5-billion people is the goal of Islam, along with the complete and total destruction of the earth. This is done by the hands of the muslims who are the punishing hand of Allah.

But I'm sure you'll have some more Biblical skepticism in defense of Islam :shock::roll:

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

vegas giants said:
Would you like to ban Islam in the US?

Yes. Absolutely! Its sedition by law and an attempt to murder millions of Americans according to the orders given in the Qur'an and Sunnah of Muhammad. Islam is "a war against all" and this war comes with mass genocide of all disbelievers in the world. You better believe an evil ideology like that should be banned from all civilized nations. Any ideology that is a war against our freedom should be banned.

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Rich2018 said:
To you modern science appears to be that done by scientists who believed in your Christian God.

Baghdad was indeed a center fo great learning until first the Mongols destroyed the city and second is a Muslim cleric al Ghazali who denied scientific laws. He said that each and every individual thing that happens in the world is the Will of Allah and Allah's Will is free therefore not bound by any law or principle. Al Ghazali rejected the concept of scientific law ...where have you heard that before?

You say Islam is based on theft ?
This coming from a Christian whose faith lifted the Jewish Torah and called it the Old Testament...along with plagiarizing many other religions for the story of Jesus.

You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

Every reputable professor of antiquity disagrees with your assumptions you learn exclusively on the Internet.

vegas giants · Sep 7, 2018

Ploughboy said:
Yes. Absolutely! Its sedition by law and an attempt to murder millions of Americans according to the orders given in the Qur'an and Sunnah of Muhammad. Islam is "a war against all" and this war comes with mass genocide of all disbelievers in the world. You better believe an evil ideology like that should be banned from all civilized nations. Any ideology that is a war against our freedom should be banned.

Too bad for that inconveinent constitution....how do you plan to get around that?

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Quick crash course in Islam. The Qur'an is not the Bible of Islam. It is the most important book of Islam but it is not the only book considered Islamic Scripture.

Noble Qur'an 3:31,

"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

You do not have Islam without Muhammad. He is the Sunnah which all muslims must live by in each day and in all things in all places. Muhammad is consider the most perfect man who ever lived in Islam, even more perfect than Jesus Christ.

The Qur'an makes up 16% of the Islamic Canon of Scripture, while the Sunnah makes up 84% of the Islamic Canon of Scripture. The Sunnah is the Sirah and Hadith. The Sirah is the life of Muhammad, the biography of. This contains the background of the Qur'an. The Hadith contain the traditions of Muhammad, what he said and did. The Qur'an does not teach a muslim how to be a muslim. The Sunnah teaches a muslim how to be a muslim. The Hadith, which is a large collections of books containing every aspect of life, teaches the muslim how Muhammad lived.

Noble Qur'an 3:31,

"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 2, Chapter 8, hadith 15,

"Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind."

Sahih Muslim, Vol.5, Hadith [4749] 33 - (...),

"It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah said: "Whoever obeys me has obeyed Allah. Whoever obeys the leader I appoint has obeyed me, and whoever disobeys the leader I appoint disobeyed me."

And jihad is one of the main tenets of the Islamic faith which all muslims are expected to partake in with their money and their lives.

Sunan An-Nasa'i, Vol.4, Book 25, Chapter 2, Hadith 3099,

"Chapter 2. Stern Warning Against Forsaking Jihad
3099. It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Prophet said, "Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy ." (Sahih)

Any muslim who does not fight jihad is a hypocrite of the faith. Now here in the west we like the hypocrite muslims because they do not follow the teachings of Muhammad which demand the mass extermination of all disbelievers.

Nickyjo · Sep 7, 2018

Ploughboy said:
The Crusades were a 300 year delayed response to the (muslim) Moors sack on the Christian lands in which they carried away with them thousands of years of western knowledge back to Islamo-land. This signified the Dark Ages which lasted for several centuries. The Crusades drove the muslims out of Europe and eventually retrieved the stolen knowledge of the west. The result of the crusades was a new paradigm of history called the Renaissance. This new era brought stolen books from the classical era. After this, the muslims are left in the dust with their own beliefs. America invents the first airplane (Isa.60:8) and soon goes to the moon. Meanwhile, back in Islamo-land, muslims are left with their own beliefs and the teachings of Muhammad which are nothing but the mad rantings of a psychopath.

Jews are by far smarter then muslims as Noble Prizes prove. This is because Jews worship the real God and the beliefs of muslims are evil and hold them backwards. But don't worry, Muhammad had mighty and profound things to say.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.1, Book 3 (The Book of Knowledge), Chapter 41, hadith 116,

:shock: :lamo

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3869,

Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3868

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol.5, Book 63, Chapter 36, hadith 3870,

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So Muhammad was a great scientist who caused the moon to be split into two pieces and this well known astronomical event can only be verified in the Hadith :roll:

But Islamic sciences had not developed enough to explain how the moon came back together into one piece again.

Muhammad even solved how a man ejaculates semen:

Noble Qur'an 86:5-7,

Muhammad is also the greatest defense and culture warrior against Christianity, for he knew the earth was spherical,

Noble Qur'an 88:16-21 (with emphasis on verse 20)

Tafsir al-Jalalayn (Feras Hamza Translation),

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You would have made a great inquisitor in Spain. As you know, they expelled both Muslims and Jews, perhaps not knowing how smart the latter were.

Btw, I read a few books on the Crusades. Why did the heroic crusaders kill Jews on their way to the Holy Land? Why did they destroy towns that the Christians asked them not to, as they said they got along fine with their Muslim neighbors? And then the Turks came along and fought with their fellow Muslim Arabs. (See Lawrence of Arabia for more info.) Go figure.

Also, Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship the same God, that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You can look it up. Muslims maintain that Christians and Jews are "people of the book," or some such phrase. Difference is that the Muslims honor Jesus as a great prophet, and Jews (understandably) don't.

Finally, one does not measure intelligence by the number of Nobel Prizes won. (I am pretty smart,but haven't got one yet, except the one for peace, which I only share in, having worked for Amnesty International.)

Finally, finally, the Crusades resulted in the Renaissance? The pope told knights, "go conquer the Middle East so the rest of us can start painting."??? My impression was that the Muslim Turks overthrew the Muslim Arabs which freed a lot of the classic works that they had taken. This is normal for imperial powers. Check out the British Museum.

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Nickyjo said:
You would have made a great inquisitor in Spain. As you know, they expelled both Muslims and Jews, perhaps not knowing how smart the latter were.

Btw, I read a few books on the Crusades. Why did the heroic crusaders kill Jews on their way to the Holy Land? Why did they destroy towns that the Christians asked them not to, as they said they got along fine with their Muslim neighbors? And then the Turks came along and fought with their fellow Muslim Arabs. (See Lawrence of Arabia for more info.) Go figure.

Also, Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship the same God, that of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You can look it up. Muslims maintain that Christians and Jews are "people of the book," or some such phrase. Difference is that the Muslims honor Jesus as a great prophet, and Jews (understandably) don't.

Finally, one does not measure intelligence by the number of Nobel Prizes won. (I am pretty smart,but haven't got one yet, except the one for peace, which I only share in, having worked for Amnesty International.)

Finally, finally, the Crusades resulted in the Renaissance? The pope told knights, "go conquer the Middle East so the rest of us can start painting."??? My impression was that the Muslim Turks overthrew the Muslim Arabs which freed a lot of the classic works that they had taken. This is normal for imperial powers. Check out the British Museum.

All historians will tell you the crusades were a defensive war. But atheists oppose education and prefer to rewrite history since history never defends atheism. Atheists are quick to attack Christianity about things inconsistent with the teachings of Christianity in the Bible. But atheists ignore all muslim atrocities which are consistent with the teachings of Islam.

This is called hypocrisy on the part of atheists and this hypocrisy comes from bigotry which is a major problem among atheists that blinds them into rejecting education.

Anarchon · Sep 7, 2018

It's almost as entertaining when theists of different flavors fight, as when statists of different flavors fight. "Hey! My horse**** smells better than your horse****!"

Ploughboy · Sep 7, 2018

Mass extermination of over 5-billion non-muslims!

Noble Qur'an 2:193, Madinah Period

"And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).* But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

*footnote: "(V.2:193)
(A) Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people till they testify that La illallah wa Anna Muhammmad-ur-Rasul Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives, and properties from me except for Islamic laws, and their reckoning (accounts) will be with (done by) Allah." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol 1, Hadith No.24).

Tafsir Al-Qurtubi,

"Fight them until there is no more fitna and the deen belongs to Allah alone.
This is a command to fight every idolater in every place according to those who say that it abrogates the previous ayats. According to those who say that it does not abrogate other ayats, it means: fight those about whom Allah says, "if they fight you". The former is the more likely meaning. It is an unqualified command to fight without any precondition of hostilities being initiated by the unbelievers. The evidence for that is in the words of Allah, "and the din belongs to Allah alone." The Prophet said, " I was commanded to fight people until they say, 'There is no god but Allah.' The ayat and hadith both indicate that the reason for fighting is disbelief because Allah says, "until there is no more fitna," meaning disbelief in this case. So the goal is to abolish disbelief and that is clear.
Ibn 'Abbas, Qatada, ar-Rabi', as-Suddi and others said that fitna here means shirk and the subsequent injury to the believers caused by it. The root of fitna is testing and trial, derived from the term for testing silver when it is put in the fire to separate the impurities from the pure metal.

If they cease, there should be no enmity towards any but wrongdoers.
If they stop and become Muslim or submit by paying jizya in the case of the people of the Book. Otherwise they should be fought and they are wrongdoers and only transgress against themselves. What is done to the wrongdoers is called enmity since it is the repayment of enmity. Wrongdoing and injustice involve enmity and repayment of enmity is also called enmity. The wrongdoers are either those who initiate fighting or those who remain entrenched in disbelief and fitna."

Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

"{Fitnah} meaning, disbelief and worshipping of others with Allah. {and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone).} It refers to the fact that the Religion of Allah (Islam) must be prevalent over other religions. {But if they cease,} meaning, you are stop fighting them the moment they stop fighting the believers, and thereto Islam they turned; for whoever fights them after that, he is then a transgressor; and that there should be no transgression except against the polytheists and wrongdoers. Narrated Nafi' that Ibn 'Umar said that two men there came to him during the dispute of Ibn Az-Zubayr and said: "People are fighting each others. What keeps you from taking part in the fighting despite your being Ibn 'Umar and the Companion of the Prophet (PBUH)?" He said: "What keeps me as such is that Allah prohibited the killing of a Muslim." They said: "Has not Allah said: {And fight them until there is no more Fitnah}?" Ibn 'Umar said: "We fought until there were no more Fitnah and all the religion (worship) was for Allah and you want to fight till the Fitnah befalls and not to let the religion be for Allah."

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