Is WalMart discriminating against women?

[Stinger]

But is it right, to you? In other words, if you owned a pharmacy, would it sell the m.a.p.?

That's not the issue, it's whether you can take someone to court just because you don't like what they are LEGALLY not doing and force them to do it.

I agree in most instances the government should leave business to itself, unless there are laws being broken. Walmart would only be breaking the law in Missouri (I think that's the state that forces Walmart to sell the medication) if it didn't dispense the m.a.p. there.

What if their grocery stores decided not to candy anymore and someone went to court to demand they sell candy? What if they decided not to sell chain saws because people can get hurt using chain saws and someone made the same arguement that they now have to drive 2 hours to get a chain saw and they just don't like it.

It's a free market and they are a private company.

 

[Stinger]

Actually, Wal Mart isn't a private company. They're traded on the stock market, which makes them a public company.

Private as opposed to government owned and operated. It is owned by private citizens who decide what it will or will not do. If you want them to do this then join with the other owners and tell the board.

 

[Stinger]

That's 2 different types of "public" there.
A "public" company is not the same thing as a "public" municipal body.
"Publicly traded" is not "public property".

Exactly, a private company that is publicly traded.

Thanks

 

[Stace]

Private as opposed to government owned and operated. It is owned by private citizens who decide what it will or will not do. If you want them to do this then join with the other owners and tell the board.

Well, I'm not an owner, I don't own any Wal Mart stock.

Or any other stocks, for that matter......

 

[Stinger]

Well, I'm not an owner, I don't own any Wal Mart stock.

Or any other stocks, for that matter......

I am, you should, if not Wal-Mart at least something to grow you wealth and be and invested member of our economy.

No retirement plans? No IRA? No 401-K? Mutual Funds?

 

[Stace]

I am, you should, if not Wal-Mart at least something to grow you wealth and be and invested member of our economy.

No retirement plans? No IRA? No 401-K? Mutual Funds?

Eh, money's tight with us right now....we want to invest eventually, now just isn't the time for us.

I don't even have a job right now, so no, no retirement plans or anything for me. But hubby's got some nice ones. Let me think here.....um....he's not putting money into his 401K yet, but the city has to put in a certain percentage anyway (he's a cop). There's another one that he was enrolled in automatically, they take 6% of his pay before taxes for that one...and there's another one that he'll start doing eventually, which will really pay off...when someone retires, everyone that is enrolled in that plan gives the retiree I think $10....or something like that. Even if there were only 100 cops that participated, that's still $1,000 extra....but our police force is already well over 1,000 members, and growing rapidly.....

Eh. I think I got that all right. That last one isn't in the little book they gave him describing benefits and such, he tried to explain it to me one night but I was only half paying attention 'cause I was trying to do the dishes :3oops:

 

[The Real McCoy]

Then how about them selling guns and ammunition to anyone that walks in off the street?! Those can be used to kill living things, but I don't see Walmart banning the sales of guns! A little hypocritical, don't you think?!

First, (already adressed but should be mentioned again) not "anyone that walks off the street" can buy a gun like they're buying a loaf of bread.

Second, many inanimate objects can be used to kill living things. A kitchen knife can be used to kill living things. Asprin can be used to kill living things. A clock can be used to kill living things. A t-shirt can be used to kill living things.

The MAP is designed to not allow an egg to attach to the wall of the uterus. Generally, the egg is not even implanted with the sperm and the pill is just used as a precaution. However, there are many instances where the egg has been implanted, but that is long before any signs of life are even apparent. Its still an egg.


I'm sorry, but as a publicly traded company, Walmart doesn't have the right to be 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice'. If it was a privately owned pharmacy, I would understand them not wanting to put it on their shelves because of personal convictions, but like anyone in the corporate office at Walmart has any personal convictions anyway!

No, Wal-Mart is a privately owned company. They can sell or not sell anything they want as long as it's legal. You seem to be confused about the differences between public and private ownership.

 

[Stinger]

Eh, money's tight with us right now....we want to invest eventually, now just isn't the time for us.

Even $10 a week. If you take it out first soon you don't miss it and doing it now means you have lots more later, LOTS more.

I don't even have a job right now, so no, no retirement plans or anything for me. But hubby's got some nice ones. Let me think here.....um....he's not putting money into his 401K yet, but the city has to put in a certain percentage anyway (he's a cop). There's another one that he was enrolled in automatically, they take 6% of his pay before taxes for that one

CONGRADUATIONS, ya'll are business owners. And don't be surprise if there isn't some Wal-Mart or Microsoft or Home Depot in the mixes of stocks and bonds your retirement funds are invested in. So as goes business so goes your future.

...and there's another one that he'll start doing eventually, which will really pay off...when someone retires, everyone that is enrolled in that plan gives the retiree I think $10....or something like that. Even if there were only 100 cops that participated, that's still $1,000 extra....but our police force is already well over 1,000 members, and growing rapidly.....
Eh. I think I got that all right. That last one isn't in the little book they gave him describing benefits and such, he tried to explain it to me one night but I was only half paying attention 'cause I was trying to do the dishes :3oops:

Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. Works great for the people on the front end but lousey for those on the back end. And I bet it's not in the little book, it's probably something someone is running on the side. What happens if after 10 years of paying everyone who retires the program suddenly goes away? Or if he leaves the force? Put those $10 payments in a good mutual fund with compounding growth (all interest and dividends and gains are reinvested) and I bet you make more lots more money. If you don't know about money or investing stay away, far far away from such schemes.

 

[Stace]

Even $10 a week. If you take it out first soon you don't miss it and doing it now means you have lots more later, LOTS more.

Maybe after the baby is born...right now I'm saving $20 a week to purchase baby things and to help get the med bills paid off as soon as possible after the delivery (the percentage that our insurance won't cover).

CONGRADUATIONS, ya'll are business owners. And don't be surprise if there isn't some Wal-Mart or Microsoft or Home Depot in the mixes of stocks and bonds your retirement funds are invested in. So as goes business so goes your future.

Hmmm. You're most likely right. I have to admit, I'm not very knowledgeable about those sorts of things.

Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me. Works great for the people on the front end but lousey for those on the back end. And I bet it's not in the little book, it's probably something someone is running on the side. What happens if after 10 years of paying everyone who retires the program suddenly goes away? Or if he leaves the force? Put those $10 payments in a good mutual fund with compounding growth (all interest and dividends and gains are reinvested) and I bet you make more lots more money. If you don't know about money or investing stay away, far far away from such schemes.

Nah, it's an officially sanctioned program, I think the book is a little old, because this is a fairly new program. It works just like any other retirement fund, you put in so much a week, the department puts in so much per week....I'll have to get hubby to explain it to me again and I'll get back to you on that one.

 

[tryreading]

That's not the issue, it's whether you can take someone to court just because you don't like what they are LEGALLY not doing and force them to do it.



What if their grocery stores decided not to candy anymore and someone went to court to demand they sell candy? What if they decided not to sell chain saws because people can get hurt using chain saws and someone made the same arguement that they now have to drive 2 hours to get a chain saw and they just don't like it.

It's a free market and they are a private company.

Dammit, man! I want to know your opinion, personally, if you owned a pharmacy. I'm not talking about forcing Walmart to sell the m.a.p.

 

[tryreading]

Maybe after the baby is born...right now I'm saving $20 a week to purchase baby things and to help get the med bills paid off as soon as possible after the delivery (the percentage that our insurance won't cover).




Hmmm. You're most likely right. I have to admit, I'm not very knowledgeable about those sorts of things.




Nah, it's an officially sanctioned program, I think the book is a little old, because this is a fairly new program. It works just like any other retirement fund, you put in so much a week, the department puts in so much per week....I'll have to get hubby to explain it to me again and I'll get back to you on that one.

Stinger is right about investing. A young person can send a few dollars a month to Fidelity Investments, or a thousand other companies, and end up very wealthy at retirement. Maybe retire early. My wife and I started our IRA's when we were in our twenties, and chose run-of-the-mill funds with Fidelity, and there will be a healthy sum of money for our retirement.

Even people who don't have a retirement fund where they work can start their own and do very well. This is not taught in schools, which is a shame. Some would have ID taught instead, which is a bigger shame, but I digress.

 

[Stinger]

Dammit, man! I want to know your opinion, personally, if you owned a pharmacy. I'm not talking about forcing Walmart to sell the m.a.p.

I own Wal-Mart and don't have a problem with the decission of the board. I would suggest a woman take the medication under the care of her physician.

 

[tryreading]

I own Wal-Mart and don't have a problem with the decission of the board. I would suggest a woman take the medication under the care of her physician.

As long as she has reasonable access to every legal drug that can be prescribed, I don't care where she gets it. But you can't usually see your doctor right away, and for this drug to work it has to be taken soon after intercourse, so she would probably have to get it elsewhere. I would prefer that Walmart's pharmacy dispense it, but I wouldn't force them to.

What if there were a contraception drug produced that, if taken by the male before intercourse, would kill the male sperm, but only after it entered the egg? In other words, it would be abortifacient like the m.a.p. Should Walmart dispense that, or would it be okay for them to refuse to sell it to men?

 

[Stinger]

As long as she has reasonable access to every legal drug that can be prescribed, I don't care where she gets it. But you can't usually see your doctor right away, and for this drug to work it has to be taken soon after intercourse, so she would probably have to get it elsewhere. I would prefer that Walmart's pharmacy dispense it, but I wouldn't force them to.

She has to she her doctor to get the prescription and these days with the BC that is available any woman that gets herself in such a position doesn't have much ground to stand on demanding of others.

What if there were a contraception drug produced that, if taken by the male before intercourse, would kill the male sperm, but only after it entered the egg? In other words, it would be abortifacient like the m.a.p. Should Walmart dispense that, or would it be okay for them to refuse to sell it to men?

That's a total fantasy, sperm does not enter the egg and it still would not be an abortifacient.

That being said, I find abortion debates pointless and end up in an endless round-robin, if you want the last word have it. My position as stated, the government has no right to tell a private business what they must sell.

 

[Blue Collar Joe]

Wal Mart has every legal right to refuse to sell this pill, and any other pill that is not required for a persons health. Merely for the issue of convenience does not give a person the right to demand something of a company.
Remember also, that WalMart snatched Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas off its shelf once the little easter egg was discovered. Freedom of speech does not give a company freedom to make someone sell their product.

 

[steen]

Wal Mart has every legal right to refuse to sell this pill, and any other pill that is not required for a persons health. Merely for the issue of convenience does not give a person the right to demand something of a company.
Remember also, that WalMart snatched Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas off its shelf once the little easter egg was discovered. Freedom of speech does not give a company freedom to make someone sell their product.

But I wonder what part of scripture that DOES justify Viagra, while rejecting the EC.

 

[thesurfingcactus]

Walmart can sell what it wants. It is not discriminating against women. It's discriminating against women who want to kill unborn children.

 

[jamesrage]

There is a lawsuit against WalMart because the store does not allow emergency contraception to be sold by its pharmacies.

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsst...0060201/43e04050_3422_1334620060201-980231027

I was not aware that stores were forced to carry certian products.Are they forced to sell certian products?

I would think a woman who wants to use the morning after pill proably needs to see a a doctor to get tested for STDs.

 

[Stace]

Walmart can sell what it wants. It is not discriminating against women. It's discriminating against women who want to kill unborn children.

Hardly. The morning after pill does not cause an abortion. It prevents ovulation and/or fetilization. Just like any other method of birth control.

 

[Stace]

I was not aware that stores were forced to carry certian products.Are they forced to sell certian products?

I would think a woman who wants to use the morning after pill proably needs to see a a doctor to get tested for STDs.

Well, she's got to see a doctor to get the morning after pill anyway. You can't just walk into a pharmacy and ask for it (except in a few states, I think); you have to have a prescription.

Where to Get Emergency Contraception

Emergency contraception is available from

Planned Parenthood health centers

college, public, and women's health centers

private doctors

hospital emergency rooms — unless they are affiliated with religions that oppose the use of birth control

ECPs are available directly from some pharmacists in a small but increasing number of states.

Some clinics and clinicians will prescribe ECPs over the phone and call the prescription in to a pharmacy. In some states, women can get a prescription online. Some clinicians routinely prescribe ECPs before they are needed. This allows women to use ECPs in emergency situations without having to wait to get an appointment.

 

[Felicity]

Hardly. The morning after pill does not cause an abortion. It prevents ovulation and/or fetilization. Just like any other method of birth control.

It works ONLY to prevent the implantation of a conceptus-NOT to do either of the things you say above. It causes an immediate period so there is no lining for the possibly newly formed human to implant into the womb. If a woman has conceived, it is a chemically induced abortion--the woman just doesn't know for certain if she has actually conceived or not. So her intention is to abort if a human is conceived, and if not--I guess she's just putting poison in herself for no reason.

 

[Stace]

It works ONLY to prevent the implantation of a conceptus-NOT to do either of the things you say above. It causes an immediate period so there is no lining for the possibly newly formed human to implant into the womb. If a woman has conceived, it is a chemically induced abortion--the woman just doesn't know for certain if she has actually conceived or not. So her intention is to abort if a human is conceived, and if not--I guess she's just putting poison in herself for no reason.

Hmmm....straight from the Plan B website...

Plan B® works like a regular birth control pill. It prevents pregnancy mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary, and may also prevent the fertilization of an egg (the uniting of sperm with the egg). Plan B® may also work by preventing it from attaching to the uterus (womb). It is important to know that Plan B® will not affect a fertilized egg already attached to the uterus; it will not affect an existing pregnancy.

 

[tryreading]

I was not aware that stores were forced to carry certian products.Are they forced to sell certian products?

I would think a woman who wants to use the morning after pill proably needs to see a a doctor to get tested for STDs.

Stores are not forced to sell it, except for in one state that I know of. But the question is do you think pharmacies should make this available? You personally. If not, why not? Answering that stores don't have to sell the drug if they don't want to is being repeated over and over.

 

[jamesrage]

But the question is do you think pharmacies should make this available?

A business should have a right to sell or not sell what ever it wants when it comes to legal items.

If not, why not?

Would appreciate someone telling you what you had to sell?

Answering that stores don't have to sell the drug if they don't want to is being repeated over and over

Of course that answer is being said over and over again.It is true and a correct answer.If you asked what color is a orange,everybody would say orange.

Here in America a business owner can sell what he or she wants as long as those products are legal and he or she has met certian criteria for selling those products,he or she also has a right to refuse to sell certian products if he or she does not wish to sell them.

As a consumer you have a right to shop somewhere else for any reason.
For example
that store does not carry the product you want.
has a different world view or political view than you do.
refuses to say merry Christmas or happy Chanukah.
your friend Bob hates that store.

 

[Felicity]

Hmmm....straight from the Plan B website...

Plan B® works like a regular birth control pill. It prevents pregnancy mainly by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary, and may also prevent the fertilization of an egg (the uniting of sperm with the egg). Plan B® may also work by preventing it from attaching to the uterus (womb). It is important to know that Plan B® will not affect a fertilized egg already attached to the uterus; it will not affect an existing pregnancy.

"morning after" implies that it is used when a woman believes she may be at a fertile stage of her cycle and the fertile stage is ovulation to five days after ovulation...I do see that the site suggests it can work to eliminate ovulation--and apparently also fallopian tube transport...but as you can see above--they carefully word their explanation to include the abortifacient aspect without admitting that fact clearly.

It's a strong BC pill dose...that is abortifacient in some cases--especially true in women who believe they have ovulated recently and the wish to prevent implantation in an emergency situation. I take back the part that says it doesn't act as you suggest--but it still does act as I suggest.