Is using the American flag as a marketing tool a sign of respect?

[Hatuey]

Well is it? Is using the flag as a tool to market things showing it the respect it deserves?

 

[disneydude]

People use "the flag" as a marketing tool for a variety of reasons, but most of the time it is being used as propoganda....either to sell a product or a message...but in either event, using the flag in such a manner is a sign of disrespect.

Businesses love to use the flag to claim "I'm a good American....buy from me". The implication is, because I use the flag in my ads I honor America, my competitors who don't use the flag in their advertisements don't.

Prosecutor's here in Los Angeles used to wear American Flags on their lapels to send a message that "I support America....and justice....the accused who is supposedly presumed innocent does not"....until Judges started not allowing it during trials.

But no one has perverted the use of the flag more than the Bush Apologists and their administration. They sell an image that being a patriot and supporting the troops is done by waving a flag or wrapping yourself in it. They propogandize the American Flag at every chance, unless it represents those who gave their lives in the service, in which case, they don't want you to see the flag.

I was raised in a military home and I have a great deal of respect for the flag and what it represents. However, I understand that the Flag is nothing more than a piece of cloth unless it represents a nation based on honor, integrity and principle. Using the American flag as a commerical marketing tool or a tool of political propoganda cheapens not only the fabric of the cloth, but the fabric of this country.

 

[Iriemon]

It's not patriotism, just shameless appeal to nationalism for marketing purposes.

Kind of like having an avatar like "Captain America" Heh heh

 

[jfuh]

WHat's been said so far add on to that a little pin on your suit to scream that you are patriotic, wrapping bills under such names as the patriot act when they are all a complete abomination of what this nation stands for.

 

[Hatuey]

I'd like some conservative imput on this.

 

[Inuyasha]

One has to be careful in judging how and when the flag is used. On large office buildings I guess it is fine but one irks me is when those used car charlatans put up those ugly little plastic flags all around their used car lots and the weather fades them into unsightly objects. If you have ever bought a car from one of those places you will know that those people are only slightly less repugnant that trail lawyers.

We also have a tendency in the US to over display the flag. When you do this the flag becomes an object which is taken for granted and then not respected as much as if we took better care of when , where and how we display the flag.

Flag pins - I find them very distasteful. During the years of the USSR if any of you had traveled there then you would have seen almost everyone trying to show that they weren't reactionaries by wearing Soviet flag pins in their lapels. Then I went to Franco's Spain and the sane thing. All the Falangists wore them. Today they are being used in a similar fashion in the US. I think it's despicable and and insult to patriotism and the true heart of an American if he has to where a flag pin to show his patriotism. For shame we are becoming like some extremist society... a Fascist one now that communism is for all practical purposes dead.

 

[niftydrifty]

It's not only disrespectful, it's also illegal.

U.S. Code Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8, Item I states: "The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever."

not quite as bad as good ol' desecration, however.

ps. why are the elephant's stars upside-down? anyone?

 

[Hatuey]

Where is NP? Where is Jamesrage? Come on boys give me your insights on this.

 

[Navy Pride]

Let me break up this Liberal love fest.........It is wrong to use the American flag to make a anti America political point...To desecrate or burn a flag for that reason is outrageous.......

 

[Hatuey]

Let me break up this Liberal love fest.........It is wrong to use the American flag to make a anti America political point...To desecrate or burn a flag for that reason is outrageous.......

You didn't answer my question.

Is using the American flag as a marketing tool a sign of respect?

 

[Navy Pride]

You didn't answer my question.

Is using the American flag as a marketing tool a sign of respect?

It is wrong to use the American flag to make a anti America political point

 

[Hatuey]

It is wrong to use the American flag to make a anti America political point

Thats not what I asked. Thank you for dodging.

Is using the American flag as a marketing tool a sign of respect?

Yes or No?

 

[Navy Pride]

Thats not what I asked. Thank you for dodging.

Is using the American flag as a marketing tool a sign of respect?

Yes or No?

Sorry that question can not be answered with just a yes or no......It depends on what your marketing........

Nice try though......:roll:

 

[Hatuey]

Sorry that question can not be answered with just a yes or no

Actually it can. Do you believe it is a sign of respect when you use the flag to sell t-shirts? What about caps? Towels?

......It depends on what your marketing........

No it doesn't.

WAIS Document Retrieval

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any
manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as
cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed
on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use
and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or

Nice try though......:roll:

Admit that you're inconsistent when it comes to this issue. You allow the desecration of our flag in some forms and not others.

 

[Cephus]

Personally, I don't care what you do with the flag, either a real flag or just the design. People get so wrapped up in symbolism, that everything means something and you have to take offense if someone uses your particular symbol in a way you don't like.

Come on, let's be honest. A flag is just a piece of cloth with a design on it, probably made in China anyhow. People are supposed to get upset if this piece of cloth is burned or turned into a shirt? Why? That makes no logical sense.

There's no respect involved in marketing flag-logoed materials, it's all to make a buck. If they could make a buck printing anything else on the shirt, they would and they do. People, especially the fanatical conservatives, need to take a few steps back and rent a clue, their fanatical 'respect' for the flag gets in the way of some of the crap this country has been using that flag to try to get away with.

 

[Hatuey]

Personally, I don't care what you do with the flag, either a real flag or just the design. People get so wrapped up in symbolism, that everything means something and you have to take offense if someone uses your particular symbol in a way you don't like.

Come on, let's be honest. A flag is just a piece of cloth with a design on it, probably made in China anyhow. People are supposed to get upset if this piece of cloth is burned or turned into a shirt? Why? That makes no logical sense.

There's no respect involved in marketing flag-logoed materials, it's all to make a buck. If they could make a buck printing anything else on the shirt, they would and they do. People, especially the fanatical conservatives, need to take a few steps back and rent a clue, their fanatical 'respect' for the flag gets in the way of some of the crap this country has been using that flag to try to get away with.

Personally I don't care either. I'm just upset at the hypocrisy of people who are against the desecration of our flag. You can't be for some forms of desecration and not others.

 

[Jerry]

Well is it? Is using the flag as a tool to market things showing it the respect it deserves?

I have my recruiter’s business card right here in my pocket, and not only is there a stylized flag in the NG logo, but also embedded in the background of the card.

Is my recruiter being unpatriotic?

 

[Hatuey]

I have my recruiter’s business card right here in my pocket, and not only is there a stylized flag in the NG logo, but also embedded in the background of the card.

Is my recruiter being unpatriotic?

I believe using the American flag for business and personal gain is putting the flag at the same level as other commercial gimmicks. Think of it as being no better then Budweiser using scantily clad women to promote it's product.

 

[adamanarch]

I wouldn't say it's sign of respect or disrespect. It's just lame.

 

[Cephus]

Personally I don't care either. I'm just upset at the hypocrisy of people who are against the desecration of our flag. You can't be for some forms of desecration and not others.

That's because they are hypocrites. They're far more concerned about what you do to a flag than what this country does while carrying it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Actually it can. Do you believe it is a sign of respect when you use the flag to sell t-shirts? What about caps? Towels?



No it doesn't.

WAIS Document Retrieval





Admit that you're inconsistent when it comes to this issue. You allow the desecration of our flag in some forms and not others.

Nope I don't believe so.............If I had my way the flag would not be used for those promotions but I don't put the ones you mentioned in the same league with burning or peeing on the flag.............Not even close.......sorry

 

[Hatuey]

Nope I don't believe so.............If I had my way the flag would not be used for those promotions but I don't put the ones you mentioned in the same league with burning or peeing on the flag.............Not even close.......sorry

Why not? Degrading the flag down to commercial gimmick level is not a insult to the flag you claim people have fought and died for?

 

[Navy Pride]

Why not? Degrading the flag down to commercial gimmick level is not a insult to the flag you claim people have fought and died for?

When I wear a suit I wear a lapel pin that is a flag......I don't consider that desecration..........

 

[Hatuey]

When I wear a suit I wear a lapel pin that is a flag......I don't consider that desecration..........

Are you advertising anything? Have you even been reading what I've typed?

WAIS Document Retrieval

(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any
manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as
cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed
on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use
and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or

The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firefighters, police officers, and members of patriotic organizations. (Note that on Army uniforms, where the flag is put on the sleeve of the uniform, the flag patch is displayed with the stars facing forward, in the direction the wearer is facing. This is done to give the impression of the flag flowing in the wind while being carried forward across the battlefield. This is known as the "Reverse Field Flag".) Flag lapel pins may also be worn.

When you use the flag to advertise a product. You are in fact degrading it. Since you're not advertising anything. Then you could argue that you're not degrading it. However we're not talking about wearing a patch or lapel pin. We're talking about people who put American flags on t-shirts so that they can make money. We're talking about flag towels, flag mugs, flag caps, flag underwear etc.

 

[Navy Pride]

Why not? Degrading the flag down to commercial gimmick level is not a insult to the flag you claim people have fought and died for?

If you can't see the difference then I feel sorry for you....