Is Usa´s border control working ?

[White]

Usa´s border control, WHAT A JOKE!

Download THIS video, http://www.octobersunfilms.com/projects.htm and see a realistic documentary film from the border of Mexico.

You can first try trailer of this film here, http://www.octobersunfilms.com/trailers.htm

And when you are ready to see it all, download it from here,

http://www.yggdrasilfilms.com/TheLineInTheSand.wmv

or

http://www.yggdrasilfilms.com/TheLineInTheSand.avi.torrent

When you have seen this document you know, how important it is that you SPREAD this video everywhere and show it to everyone!!

 

[Tashah]

National Vanguard

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/index.php

Note to all: National Vanguard is a white supremicist/anti-Semitic organization.

 

[White]

Note to all: National Vanguard is a white supremicist/anti-Semitic organization.

That´s not true!!! :doh

You should really study the site better and not believe all that news say.

Quote from one NV member,

Well let's hope that there can be good will between different peoples who want self-determination and feel no hostility toward others who want the same thing.

 

[White]

Note to all: National Vanguard is a white supremicist/anti-Semitic organization.

Could you answer, why that lie should be noted ?

That supremacism thing is a media stereotype and it´s not true. Everybody who know even little bit of White Nationalism knows that.

For example David Duke has visited Syria many times and had no problem.

It´s all about self-determination not supremacism.

But this conversation shouldn´t be related to this topic, cause it´s not relevant with the issue.

 

[Pacridge]

Could you answer, why that lie should be noted ?

That supremacism thing is a media stereotype and it´s not true. Everybody who know even little bit of White Nationalism knows that.

For example David Duke has visited Syria many times and had no problem.

It´s all about self-determination not supremacism.

But this conversation shouldn´t be related to this topic, cause it´s not relevant with the issue.

Sure it is, and David Duke's really a good guy, not a Klan member and racist.

I call BS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vanguard_(American_organization)

 

[Pacridge]

Almost forgot:

Your poll sucks. The questions isn't whether or not our border control is working. The question is "why isn't our border control working?"

 

[White]

Sure it is, and David Duke's really a good guy, not a Klan member and racist.

I call BS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vanguard_(American_organization)

A former klan member...

Maybe you should take a look at www.davidduke.com before you even try to defame him...

 

[Tashah]

Let me explain something to you White. Other members of National Vanguard have preceeded you here at Debate Politics. Most have been banned for rule violations or suffered a deserved beating from the DP community and left voluntarily.

You can claim innocence or ignorance, but the Moderation Team at DP is well aware of National Vanguard and its racist and anti-Semitic agenda. I would strongly suggest that you pack it up and troll elsewhere.

As a footnote, White is not an American citizen and is merely using the US border issue as a racist cudgel against Hispanics. A typical NV tactic.

 

[Donkey1499]

I put "YES" just to be different.

 

[Pacridge]

A former klan member...

Maybe you should take a look at www.davidduke.com before you even try to defame him...

Defame? If pointing out his past defames him that's his problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

Sometimes in life we stand accused of things things we've done.

 

[earthworm]

Note to all: National Vanguard is a white supremacist/anti-Semitic organization.

Prove it, if you can.
I have read some of their dialog and cannot say that they are "supremist"..Not can I say that they are not..
Maybe I will have to read more...I agree with some of their positions, but I must admit, I am suspicious...
White Supremacists do turn my stomach, much as Nazis do..
On border control, I feel that the fence idea is about as stupid and idiotic as possible.
Over the long term, NO fence works..anywhere.

This problem has been created by our own government in being far too lenient in welfare benefits for those they feel sorry for.
Our government seems to care more about the Mexican than their own government ...
This must change !
My idea is a computerized, well designed national ID to separate the undesirable aliens from the accepted immigrants..
If any rich farmer employs an "illegal", he should lose his farm !
This "illegal immigrant" problem has been going on far too long.
Also, English must be made to be the official language..

 

[jamesrage]

Usa´s border control, WHAT A JOKE!

Download THIS video, http://www.octobersunfilms.com/projects.htm and see a realistic documentary film from the border of Mexico.

You can first try trailer of this film here, http://www.octobersunfilms.com/trailers.htm

And when you are ready to see it all, download it from here,

http://www.yggdrasilfilms.com/TheLineInTheSand.wmv

or

http://www.yggdrasilfilms.com/TheLineInTheSand.avi.torrent

When you have seen this document you know, how important it is that you SPREAD this video everywhere and show it to everyone!!

We already know our border sercurity is a joke.USA border sercurity can be listed as "joke" under websters dictionary as horrible our border sercurity is.We do not need a video to point this out,the 10 or 11 million illegal aliens already here prove that.

 

[White]

Let me explain something to you White. Other members of National Vanguard have preceeded you here at Debate Politics. Most have been banned for rule violations or suffered a deserved beating from the DP community and left voluntarily.

Hey first THIS IS INTERNET, so everybody can say here that they are members of any group (DEFAMERS ALSO).

Could you point those members to me ?

You can claim innocence or ignorance, but the Moderation Team at DP is well aware of National Vanguard and its racist and anti-Semitic agenda. I would strongly suggest that you pack it up and troll elsewhere.

I´m sorry, but you are lying and everyone who really wants to see the truth finds it in their homepage.

You should really stop that troll-thing, you know that i´m not a troll...

It´s a usual tactic to use that racist-card, when you want that someone is being ignored.

As a footnote, White is not an American citizen and is merely using the US border issue as a racist cudgel against Hispanics. A typical NV tactic.

Who has said that i´m a member of NV ? i´m not, so how it´s a NV-tactic ?

And that video ISN´T related to NV, so please don´t lie...

 

[afr0byte]

Who has said that i´m a member of NV ? i´m not, so how it´s a NV-tactic ?

And that video ISN´T related to NV, so please don´t lie...

So, what's your reason for having the name of the group and a link to their site in your signature?

 

[afr0byte]

Btw, I've looked at the NV site and it's definitely racist/anti-semitic.

 

[White]

So, what's your reason for having the name of the group and a link to their site in your signature?

Cause i think that NV is the best White nationalst organization...

The Love of Ages

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=6364

The Nation as Idea

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7361

Read those if you want to know the truth, i am sure you won´t read those cause you want to continue your lies...

And here´s good example from YOUR KIND,

The media said: "...Fliers Fuel Fear, Hatred..."

But all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...I was angry and outraged and tossed it..."

But all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...they were even more angry when they learned that dozens of the Arden Park neighbors received the same flier..."

But all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...It's absolutely despicable..."

But all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...I'm outraged..."

But all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...he saved one of the fliers and is taking it to the sheriff's department..."

But all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "I think the sheriff should investigate who's behind it ... who put the bulletins on the ground..."

And all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "[this flyer] fuels fear and it fuels hatred..."

And all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...that type of literature was at the heart of a plan by two white students to shoot black students..."

And all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...the Jewish community recalled the way Sacramento stood up to hatred after the firebombing of three synagogues..."

And all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "'...it's not acceptable,' said Len Feldman of the Jewish Community Relations Council..."

And all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

The media said: "...Authorities said racist fliers often come close to the legal border line..."

And all it said was 'Love Your Race.'

http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7891

It was this flier, http://www.nationalvanguard.org/docs/love-your-race.pdf

 

[Tashah]

I´m sorry, but you are lying and everyone who really wants to see the truth finds it in their homepage.

I did find the truth in their homepage White... that only racists and fascists would find solace and comradship at NV.

Who has said that i´m a member of NV ? i´m not, so how it´s a NV-tactic?

You think well enough of NV to link to their website. If you promote their propaganda, then you share in their infamy.

And that video ISN´T related to NV, so please don´t lie...

One parting note here. I would strongly suggest that you read our Forum Rules pertaining to personal attacks.

 

[White]

I did find the truth in their homepage White... that only racists and fascists would find solace and comradship at NV.

No, white nationalists...

We don´t need to hate the others, we need to love our own...Like the "HATESPEECHFLYER" above is telling...

You think well enough of NV to link to their website. If you promote their propaganda, then you share in their infamy.

I´m not a member of NV, so you can´t say that "my tactics" (whatever those are, no name those)are NV´s tactics too...

I´m not representing here them, i´m representing myself, but i share pretty much same ideas with them.

One parting note here. I would strongly suggest that you read our Forum Rules pertaining to personal attacks.

I were attacking you ? I´m not attacking you....

I said that THAT THE VIDEO ISN`T RELATED TO NV, SO IT CAN`T BE A NV TACTICS (whatever those are...)

 

[afr0byte]

No, white nationalists...

Call them white nationalists if you want, but they still support racist ideas on their website.

I´m not a member of NV, so you can´t say that "my tactics" (whatever those are, no name those)are NV´s tactics too...

I´m not representing here them, i´m representing myself, but i share pretty much same ideas with them.

Perhaps you're not sharing exactly, to the word, the same ideas as NV. However, you just said you share the same ideas for the most part, so you'd be a pretty good representation of NV (a racist organization).

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Almost forgot:

Your poll sucks. The questions isn't whether or not our border control is working. The question is "why isn't our border control working?"

A better question would be "why lie to ourselves, since we're making no effort to control the border at all?"

 

[Tashah]

No, white nationalists...

A pig by any other name is still a pig.

I´m not a member of NV, so you can´t say that "my tactics" (whatever those are, no name those)are NV´s tactics too... I´m not representing here them, i´m representing myself, but i share pretty much same ideas with them.

Eureka! Once you grin you're in Mr. White.

I were attacking you ? I´m not attacking you....

Scroll up Mr. White. Twice you called me a lier. Although some here may disagree with my views, I do believe you are the first to insinuate that I am a chronic lier.

Now explain something to me Mr. White. How does it come to be that a white European who admittedly shares the ideas of a racist organization, initiates a thread here and poses as an American citizen concerned about the US border issue? How is this issue at all in the interest of a European? Could it be because it is a divisive issue and contains the element of ethnicity? You live on a different continent Mr. White with a host of its own problems. What is your legitimacy and motivation for this thread Mr. White? What is it to you who lives in America? Mr. White... can you spell 'opportunistic'? I would certainly say that you can smell it.

 

[F41]

Mr. White, I am a Red Man, a Native Indian to my land in America. Why is the white man on my land? If anyone should complain, it is certainly not you.

 

[White]

A pig by any other name is still a pig.

How can you say that, do we know each other ?

Scroll up Mr. White. Twice you called me a lier. Although some here may disagree with my views, I do believe you are the first to insinuate that I am a chronic lier.

:doh

Did i have reasons ? If there were absolute no reasons to say that, i´m very sorry. :roll:

Now explain something to me Mr. White. How does it come to be that a white European who admittedly shares the ideas of a racist organization, initiates a thread here and poses as an American citizen concerned about the US border issue?

How is this issue at all in the interest of a European?

First, nationality is just a piece of paper, race is everything. I like to bring you three quotes,

Even if by some miracle our rulers could convert America from a free White republic into a multiracial, multicultural feeding and breeding zone without creating mass violence and ceaseless ethnic conflict, we would still be faced with the incontrovertible fact that the nature of every society is determined by the nature and quality of the people who make up that society. In essence, if we import more AIDS-infected Haitians, our society becomes, bit by bit, more and more like the society those Haitians are fleeing. As we open the floodgates to the immigrants of the Third World by the millions, our society changes, slowly at first, but now faster and faster, and it becomes less and less like the America of our youth and more and more like the pestholes of disease and crime and violence of the Third World. The freedom, prosperity and high culture that we Euro-Americans have enjoyed is a very rare thing on planet Earth. It is not so much a product of our geography as it is of our blood

http://american-thule-society.org/eBooks/HTML Docs/Afro-Centric/welcometoafrica.htm

A nation founded on blood can survive almost anything, since the blood -- really, the gene-patterns -- that made it what it is will always be there, so long as the people have a sense of racial identity. Nations founded on religions, or other mere ideas, however, are very weak -- and, lacking racial identity, the essential gene-patterns can be wiped out in a few thoughtless generations. Nations founded on ideas or religions are artificial constructs no more permanent than the statue of Ozymandias. Nations founded on blood, like the awakening giant Nation Europa, have the potential to live forever. Life trumps ideas, life trumps the artificial constructs of man every time. That is the lesson we must learn.

http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7305

They want to suppress the idea of racial self-determination because they know it has the power to remake the world.

http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7361

I´m concerned about America, cause it´s a homeland of my race (one of those) and i think that if the world changes it must start from USA.

Is there something wrong, when i encourrage people to take a look at a video which clearly shows the problems at their border. At the same their army is far from home. That´s why i want to put few more quotes here.

The Jewish supremacists who dominate our media have promoted multiracialism 24 hours a day for two generations at least. Yet, clearly, from their opposition to Jewish intermarriage and their support of the racial-nationalist-supremacist state of Israel, we can see that they clearly do not believe in it themselves. So why do they promote it for us? That, like a talent for haggling over the price of a carpet in a dusty marketplace or for getting the rubes to think the pea is definitely under the third shell, may also be ultimately genetic. Their culture is one of infiltrating and altering other cultures wherein they choose to live. What they promote for us is based on what they want us to do which they at some level believe is best for them.

http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7423

But the multiracialist really doesn't think that "all nations" should open themselves up that way. No. He thinks that only White nations should open themselves up like that. You never hear multiracialists demanding that Japan or Korea or China open themselves up to mass immigration of Whites. Japanese racial-nationalism is real -- Japan is virtually 100 per cent. Japanese -- but you almost never hear this discussed as a "problem" in the controlled media, unlike the "emergency" that White-ruled South Africa constituted. You never hear a demand for Africa to open up its wide fields and magnificent mountains for the settlement of White people. You almost never hear multiracialists calling for Israel to let in more Blacks.

http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7527

IT IS SUPREMELY IRONIC that National Vanguard is falsely but commonly characterized as a group which "hates" non-Whites, but is actually in the forefront of preventing non-Whites from being slaughtered by those wolves in sheep's clothing who run both the Republican and Democratic parties, the Jewish supremacists. I believe that another Pearl Harbor/9-11 style incident will be attempted by these insane warmongers if they insist on having their war with Iran.

It is doubly ironic that the Jewish supremacists and their Gentile employees pose as apostles of "tolerance" and "love" when in reality no one on Earth is more directly responsible for the outright mass murder of the peoples of the Middle East.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7995

The controlled media follow what I like to refer to as a "template" in writing stories about White activism -- the story is largely ghostwritten using cut-and-paste "boilerplate" language, with contemporary local details added in to the prefabricated framework, which goes roughly like this: Any literature critical of multiracialism or its saints or untouchable groups is "hate." When such literature is found, it "disturbs" and "shocks" decent people, who immediately contact law enforcement (people who agree with the literature are seldom if ever interviewed).... At this point the story template can go one of two ways, depending on the attitude of local law enforcement officials, whom the would-be censors nearly always invoke. If the local police are malleable enough to overlook such minor details as freedom of speech, then the template calls for local authorities to condemn the literature and find some legal pretext for threatening the White citizens, sometimes implying that disagreeing with multiracialism is illegal -- but it's a threat they almost never carry out, because they know they'd find themselves in legal hot water themselves. If the police have the honesty to say there's nothing at all illegal about distributing pro-White literature -- and there isn't -- then the template calls for the piece to hint darkly that "White racism" may not be illegal, but it ought to be, and the mayor and all "right-thinking" citizens will constantly be on the lookout for such "hate." One you comprehend the "hate" template used in writing articles about pro-White activism, you'll see through it every time

http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=7785

 

[White]

Mr. White, I am a Red Man, a Native Indian to my land in America. Why is the white man on my land? If anyone should complain, it is certainly not you.

Check this out...

First Americans May Have Been European

http://www.livescience.com/history/060219_first_americans.html

 

[Aurora151989]

this whole thread should be scrapped since it isn't on topic. I voted no, apparently just like everybody else. However, i'm not getting into the border thing because i think we should go back to being hunter/gatherers ie back to nature. feel free to pm