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Is Thomas Massie correct?

Thomas Massie, probably by accident, is correct in this case.

In the modern era Congress has a terrible habit of passing massive legislative efforts, budgets and otherwise, that are near impossible to carefully review by all members of Congress in the time between the final bill is released and the time to vote on it.

In this case I do not know exactly when the 4,155 pages was made available for review before voting (granted parts of it have been floating around Congress for weeks,) but this is getting absurd to need this level of piling everything into a lame duck bill all to avoid the pending shit show of the next split Congress.
 
Bok_Tukalo said:
Even Republicans in the Senate don’t trust the incoming House leadership (whoever that is) to have their shit together.
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OK, but the idea that it’s fine to wait 3 months into FY2023 to pass (all?) ‘discretionary’ spending (using ‘lame duck’ votes), but not 4 months (to avoid using ‘lame duck’ votes) is ridiculous.
 
Bok_Tukalo said:
Even Republicans in the Senate don’t trust the incoming House leadership (whoever that is) to have their shit together.
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Perhaps - but at the same time, if they don't know who the House leadership will be (whoever it is), how it is they don't trust them (whoever they may be)?

And besides, what does that have to do with the Omnibus bill?
 
Things are bad when Republican Senators pass a Bill they don't like because they don't trust their fellow Republicans in the House to govern maturely and professionally. I think the length of the funding is most indicative of their belief 2023 is going to be a sh!t show !!!!! Having said that, I bet that come next October, with 10 full months of governing, they won't have a new budget and will either shut down the government or do a CR.
 
This is what congress does now. It's a broken system and the citizens of our country pay a big price for the malfeasance in the cesspool of Washington, DC.

Bill's are passed by passing the pork bowl around. A few billion here and a few more there. Everyone gets their pork.
Amazing then a bad bill passes.
Then throw in the Christmas holiday...
Everyone wants to get home ASAP!
 
Common Sense 1 said:
This is what congress does now. It's a broken system and the citizens of our country pay a big price for the malfeasance in the cesspool of Washington, DC.

Bill's are passed by passing the pork bowl around. A few billion here and a few more there. Everyone gets their pork.
Amazing then a bad bill passes.
Then throw in the Christmas holiday...
Everyone wants to get home ASAP!
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They had months and months to one up with a budget. Going to the edge is now standard operating procedure and has been for years. That is a ridiculous way to come up with operating budgets.
 
Callen said:
They had months and months to one up with a budget. Going to the edge is now standard operating procedure and has been for years. That is a ridiculous way to come up with operating budgets.
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I see these things as a political opportunity, just as GOPs would. DEMs should immediately start campaigning against NO votes Scott-FL, Cruz-TX, and Hawley-MO ahead of the 2024 Senate elections. The list of GOP House members who voted against their constituents is endless.
 
EdwinWillers said:
Perhaps - but at the same time, if they don't know who the House leadership will be (whoever it is), how it is they don't trust them (whoever they may be)?

And besides, what does that have to do with the Omnibus bill?
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Are you kidding? Senate republicans want "relieve them of the responsibility of governing".

That's Senate republicans talking about House republicans.

Doesn't sound like there's any faith there, does it?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, but the idea that it’s fine to wait 3 months into FY2023 to pass (all?) ‘discretionary’ spending (using ‘lame duck’ votes), but not 4 months (to avoid using ‘lame duck’ votes) is ridiculous.
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So you wanna play the “hold the debt ceiling hostage” game every year the republicans are in power?

That is what they do every single time. Then when they finally agree to not tank our national credit they turn around and pass out more tax cuts for their donors.

Which means there will be a budget shortfall next time. So they can hold the economy hostage next time.

(But the one thing they won’t do is stop spending money where those donors want it spent. Makes it hard to hold the debt ceiling hostage if they don’t spend enough money to make it necessary.)
 
aociswundumho said:
An interesting comment on democracy:


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Of course, he is correct. Who in their right mind would vote on such an enormous Bill without sufficient time to read or debate. This is NOT how our democracy was set up to govern. We all know the left are thick as thieves and would all vote for it, but why would any Republican vote on such a dastardly plan by the democrats, when they will shortly have control of the House......truly there many bought and paid for politicians of all persuasions.
 
aociswundumho said:
An interesting comment on democracy:


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No, Massie is not correct. He never is. And I doubt Massie would read this legislation if it was just 50 pages of large print.

This "predicament" is simply Republicans creating a problem, then blaming Democrats for it. The reason it is difficult or impossible to pass regular budgets is because Republicans have made it their game plan to obstruct anything and everything put forth by Democrats, even completely necessary stuff like federal budgets.

Republican senators, at least a few of them, recognized that a Republican House is probably going to be unable to get their ducks in a row and pass anything. And that is just too obvious to blame on Democrats anymore.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Thomas Massie, probably by accident, is correct in this case.

In the modern era Congress has a terrible habit of passing massive legislative efforts, budgets and otherwise, that are near impossible to carefully review by all members of Congress in the time between the final bill is released and the time to vote on it.

In this case I do not know exactly when the 4,155 pages was made available for review before voting (granted parts of it have been floating around Congress for weeks,) but this is getting absurd to need this level of piling everything into a lame duck bill all to avoid the pending shit show of the next split Congress.
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In all fairness, the actual relevant parts are probably a couple of hundred pages with the rest consisting of legislative language.
 
Most of this legislation has been available since
aociswundumho said:
An interesting comment on democracy:
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Not interesting at all. The majority of this legislation was released back in April. There was simple time to learn about these proposals.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
In all fairness, the actual relevant parts are probably a couple of hundred pages with the rest consisting of legislative language.
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I have not read the bill, that very well may be the case.
 
Most of this legislation has been available since April of 2022. The claim that they are voting for it after a few days and 150000000000 pages is nonsense.
 
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