Is this a white supremacist church?

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

***Yes, he was the Grand Wizard at one time, but the reason he quit that position was because he is non-violent, and since the vast majority of his followers used violence as a means to an end--David quit.

Bullshit he administers stormfront and attends holocaust denial conventions in Tehran on the invitation of America's enemies, he is not only a racist but a ****ing traitor and I would put a god damn bullet in his head if I thought I could get away with it.

Do you still consider former KKK member Robert Byrd to be a racist?

Sheet's "white n!gger" Byrd, damn right I do.

 

[ptsdkid]

Bullshit he administers stormfront and attends holocaust denial conventions in Tehran on the invitation of America's enemies, he is not only a racist but a ****ing traitor and I would put a god damn bullet in his head if I thought I could get away with it.


***Administers Stormfront? So what, he gives speeches and has a weekly radio message on Sundays for Stormfront. Since when have the members of stormfront been racist? Most of them (and I am a member) have white pride as a theme to our political persuasions. Where did Duke say at the Holocaust convention that he denies the slaughter of the Jews? What he, I, and others have been saying is that the 6 million figure of Jew deaths is way above the factual amount. I fail to see how Duke is a traitor. If anything, he's the one leader among men/Americans to ensure that white Americans don't get left by the wayside in lieu of this modern day multicultural climate that we see today. Now that I have pointed out how misguided you are--would you still be so inclined to shoot Mr. Duke, or me for that matter?



Sheet's "white n!gger" Byrd, damn right I do.

***Would you feel the need to shoot Mr. Sheets also?

 

[ptsdkid]

Are these the policies of a racist, bigoted, and white supremacist organization or a harmless and innocent Christian church? If a person was a member of this church would you cast your vote for them to be President of the United States?

Mods please add a yes or no poll.

***I could not detect one message from the ten that in any way suggested a 'supremacist' organization. Unless you find the many Black and Jewish houses of worship (having similar messages) as being supremacist in their dogma--then the obvious answer to the poll would be a resounding 'NO' to the supremacy assumption.

 

[Hatuey]

***I could not detect one message from the ten that in any way suggested a 'supremacist' organization. Unless you find the many Black and Jewish houses of worship (having similar messages) as being supremacist in their dogma--then the obvious answer to the poll would be a resounding 'NO' to the supremacy assumption.

OMG The kid and Hatuey agreeing on something? :O - Omg this freaky....I'm calling my mom...

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

OMG The kid and Hatuey agreeing on something? :O - Omg this freaky....I'm calling my mom...

Be careful, my young apprentice, I sense a trap.

 

[Hatuey]

Be careful, my young apprentice, I sense a trap.

...I'm still trying to figure out how a person becomes Grand Wizard of the KKK without being even a little bit racist. I doubt he could have gotten the support of all those gun happy truck driving rednecks without saying "Lynch all N*ggaz" or the like atleast once.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Since when have the members of stormfront been racist?

Since stormfront began. I have visited stormfront many times (always showering afterwards ) and I have noticed that there are three types of members. Non-violent racists claiming to be white separatists, violent racists claiming to be white separatists, and unintelligent redneck and/or teenage racists claiming to be human. I have yet to see anyone there that doesn't use the white separatist veil to cover their racism/supremicist notions. There may actually be someone, but if so, they are hidden in such dreck that I haven't found them yet. And kid, don't count yourself. I already showed how you are a racist on another thread.

Duke's rhetoric hasn't changed...he's just softened it to try to con people that he's 'reformed' or gone 'mainstream' He would, right now, fall into the first stromfront category I identified.

 

[Hatuey]

Since stormfront began. I have visited stormfront many times (always showering afterwards ) and I have noticed that there are three types of members. Non-violent racists claiming to be white separatists, violent racists claiming to be white separatists, and unintelligent redneck and/or teenage racists claiming to be human. I have yet to see anyone there that doesn't use the white separatist veil to cover their racism/supremicist notions. There may actually be someone, but if so, they are hidden in such dreck that I haven't found them yet. And kid, don't count yourself. I already showed how you are a racist on another thread.

Duke's rhetoric hasn't changed...he's just softened it to try to con people that he's 'reformed' or gone 'mainstream' He would, right now, fall into the first stromfront category I identified.

Did I tell you I got TOT to say "Hatuey Akbar" .

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Did I tell you I got TOT to say "Hatuey Akbar" .

I saw that. You have done well on this thread, avoiding that initial trap. I'm impressed. :mrgreen:

 

[jfuh]

Here's the issue as I see it. TOT claims that there is a double standard; black pride is automatically excused while white pride is automatically condemned. Others have claimed that there is a distinction between the terms. The former is not always racist, whereas the latter is. So, I have a suggestion or challenge, if you will. If TOT can locate three white pride organizations that aren't inherently racist, then he wins. If not, and someone else can locate three black pride organizations that aren't inherently racist, then everyone else wins. If neither of these conditions can be met, then TOT wins. Sound reasonable? I'll give y'all until 9:00 AM EST on 3/2 to complete the parameters. Y'all can wager what you want...a 24 change of avatars of the loser to the avatar of choice of the winner is a good one. I'll judge.

BTW, has anyone noticed that the true purpose of this thread was to degrade Obama and accuse him of being a racist? Hey Hatuey...who is the true master? :mrgreen:

Actually that's not my claim thus far, my claim is that this church is clearly not racists - there's no advocacy for hatred here.
But let me take up your challenge
Group 1
Group 2
Group 3

I'll go one step further
Group 4
Group 5
How's that?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

***Would you feel the need to shoot Mr. Sheets also?

While I don't like ol'sheets he's not a traitor so no.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Actually that's not my claim thus far, my claim is that this church is clearly not racists - there's no advocacy for hatred here.
But let me take up your challenge
Group 1
Group 2
Group 3

I'll go one step further
Group 4
Group 5
How's that?

I think TOT has, respectfully, declined the challenge. However, your links, jfuh, certainly meet the second part. Good finds. :mrgreen: Anyone else want to take up the other part of the challenge?

 

[Southern Belle]

There was this guy on TV the other day, I think he was from that church, and my mom told me that he's said lots of times before that he HATES White people.

What he was saying didn't sound like it, I asked was she sure and she said yes, he's admitted it before.

Some in this thread are seeming kinda goofy right about now... Eqal = NO double standards, so anybody who takes TOT's first post and accept it with one word, and reject it when nothing in it but one word changes, is kinda...:spin:

 

[Hatuey]

There was this guy on TV the other day, I think he was from that church, and my mom told me that he's said lots of times before that he HATES White people.

What he was saying didn't sound like it, I asked was she sure and she said yes, he's admitted it before.

What was his name?

Some in this thread are seeming kinda goofy right about now... Eqal = NO double standards, so anybody who takes TOT's first post and accept it with one word, and reject it when nothing in it but one word changes, is kinda...:spin:

The double standard comes when people aren't willing to accept that whites just like black, asians and mexicans should be just as proud of their roots. I think the only problem I have with white pride movements is when some of their representatives light crosses on fire, put on white hoodies and then start blaming other races for their own short comings. Same goes for blacks who live on welfare and do nothing more then talk about how the management is keeping them from finding a job.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

There was this guy on TV the other day, I think he was from that church, and my mom told me that he's said lots of times before that he HATES White people.

What he was saying didn't sound like it, I asked was she sure and she said yes, he's admitted it before.

Some in this thread are seeming kinda goofy right about now... Eqal = NO double standards, so anybody who takes TOT's first post and accept it with one word, and reject it when nothing in it but one word changes, is kinda...:spin:

Read post #68. Also check out post #85. Take the challenge. This is why there is a double standard. White pride organizations have shown themselves to be racist. Black pride organizations are not, always.

 

[Southern Belle]

What was his name?



The double standard comes when people aren't willing to accept that whites just like black, asians and mexicans should be just as proud of their roots. I think the only problem I have with white pride movements is when some of their representatives light crosses on fire, put on white hoodies and then start blaming other races for their own short comings. Same goes for blacks who live on welfare and do nothing more then talk about how the management is keeping them from finding a job.

Mom says his name was Ferrer Kahn (I think that's how you spell it, just a guess)

 

[Kandahar]

The double standard comes when people aren't willing to accept that whites just like black, asians and mexicans should be just as proud of their roots. I think the only problem I have with white pride movements is when some of their representatives light crosses on fire, put on white hoodies and then start blaming other races for their own short comings. Same goes for blacks who live on welfare and do nothing more then talk about how the management is keeping them from finding a job.

Is there any other kind of white pride movement? I have never, ever, ever seen an organization dedicated to "white pride" that wasn't racist. The same cannot be said of "black pride" or "Hispanic pride" or "Asian pride" organizations.

However, there are "Italian pride" or "German pride" or "Irish pride" or "Russian pride" or "Swedish pride" organizations that aren't necessarily racist. But as for a non-racist white pride organization...I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Kandahar]

Mom says his name was Ferrer Kahn (I think that's how you spell it, just a guess)

Louis Farrakhan is the leader of the Nation of Islam and is pretty much universally despised. Not all black churches that promote activism in the black community are racist. So far I have seen no evidence that Obama's church or any of its leaders hate white people.

 

[Southern Belle]

Louis Farrakhan is the leader of the Nation of Islam and is pretty much universally despised. Not all black churches that promote activism in the black community are racist. So far I have seen no evidence that Obama's church or any of its leaders hate white people.

Ok thanks, sorry if I lumped them together, it just kinda sounded like that was it, hehe.

 

[ptsdkid]

OMG The kid and Hatuey agreeing on something? :O - Omg this freaky....I'm calling my mom...

***We both know that it would be impossible to teach an old dog like the Capt...new tricks, but I'm impressed that a young buck like yourself has had the foresight and common sense to agree with me on this important matter. Next thing you know--you'll be calling me master, and that wasn't meant to be racially motivated in any way.

 

[ptsdkid]

...I'm still trying to figure out how a person becomes Grand Wizard of the KKK without being even a little bit racist. I doubt he could have gotten the support of all those gun happy truck driving rednecks without saying "Lynch all N*ggaz" or the like atleast once.

***Up and until you read Duke's book "My Awakening", I doubt you'll ever grasp the reasoning, intellectual acumen , or mission of Mr. Duke.

 

[ptsdkid]

Since stormfront began. I have visited stormfront many times (always showering afterwards ) and I have noticed that there are three types of members. Non-violent racists claiming to be white separatists, violent racists claiming to be white separatists, and unintelligent redneck and/or teenage racists claiming to be human. I have yet to see anyone there that doesn't use the white separatist veil to cover their racism/supremicist notions. There may actually be someone, but if so, they are hidden in such dreck that I haven't found them yet. And kid, don't count yourself. I already showed how you are a racist on another thread.


***I've said before that all of us have a smidgeon of racism in our blood; its only natural if you have any sort of hereditary pride.

Duke's rhetoric hasn't changed...he's just softened it to try to con people that he's 'reformed' or gone 'mainstream' He would, right now, fall into the first stromfront category I identified.

***You're right, Duke's rhetoric hasn't changed unless its gotten even more powerful. Like any other group of political entities--there will be bad apples for sure in each. Duke's preaching tends to seek less racial tension between races by offering segregation as the opiate. You cannot show me one verse from Duke's speeches that makes him out to be this supremacist that you seem to think he is. A fine example of a racist would be Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and Louis Farrakhan.

 

[ptsdkid]

While I don't like ol'sheets he's not a traitor so no.

***You still haven't made it clear to why you think Duke is a traitor, and a traitor to whom or what?

 

[ptsdkid]

Mom says his name was Ferrer Kahn (I think that's how you spell it, just a guess)

***The only time I saw that name 'Ferrar' was during one of my exhaustive archive searches for the truth. You may want to google search the name 'Ferrar Fenton' to find an interesting man and a bible named after him. Ferrar is or was a White Pride Nationalist.

 

[Kandahar]

***We both know that it would be impossible to teach an old dog like the Capt...new tricks, but I'm impressed that a young buck like yourself has had the foresight and common sense to agree with me on this important matter. Next thing you know--you'll be calling me master, and that wasn't meant to be racially motivated in any way.

Dude, you aren't real. Stop pretending you are and go away.