Is this a white supremacist church?

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

The white pride movement condones and goes as far as to blame the actions of all others simply by race alone. This does group clearly does not.

Umm if you ever see these people on the web they'll make the same claims about their movement that you're making right now about this church. I don't buy that crap from them and I don't buy it from these people either.

This is indifferent from Christian identity groups at least to the best of my knowledge. How are Christian identity groups racist?

Then you've obviously never heard of the christian identity movement.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

If you wouldn't have googled it or known some other way you would have voted yes, on that I guarantee.

Perhaps, due to the nature of how it was worded, but I would still have known that you lied some where just because of knowing your history on this thread. And surprise surprise, just as I had assumed, you did edit out some key points as well as lied to set forth your agenda.

Oh bullshit, it is very clearly a church based on race as is proven unequivocaly with the section I provided.

Show where they discriminate

No it's very clearly a black separatist church, I'm sorry but if your church doesn't allow members of other races to be members or bases membership on race it is a racist institution.

Show us where they don't allow other members of other races or have a black superiority initiative. There are none tot.

Irish isn't a race that I'm aware of.

Irrelevant, you're statements have been against cultural and ethnic pride. Irish is a culture as well as an ethnic identity. So I ask again, is St. Patrick's day racist.

Ya so white pride folks are o.k. in your book then I suppose.

Absolutely

No what this is is a demonstration in liberal hypocricy.

No what this is clearly in black and blue is a demonstration of your bigotry and so desperate to swift boat a democratic candidate that you're even lying in clear words just to set forth an agenda. Sorry tot, you got called.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

No what this is clearly in black and blue is a demonstration of your bigotry and so desperate to swift boat a democratic candidate that you're even lying in clear words just to set forth an agenda. Sorry tot, you got called.

And I take credit for this calling and alleged liberal tune changing TOT has apparently decided belongs to Kandahar. I DEMAND SATISFATION AND PRAISE. Hurry up, time is money and at this rate I'll reach the povery line before 2AM.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

Umm if you ever see these people on the web they'll make the same claims about their movement that you're making right now about this church. I don't buy that crap from them and I don't buy it from these people either.

Actions speak louder than words. Show me any news article of this church group instilling violence on other's simply because of race or ethnicity. I've found 0.
White supremacy groups? Here's a site that calls for the extermination of all other races but whites and the preaching of hate against other races on race alone. Ball's back in your court kiddo.

Then you've obviously never heard of the christian identity movement.

Nope I have not. But a quick google educated me on just what that movement was. It was another hate advocacy group. Hence I retract my former ignorant statement as the name of the movement was quite misleading.

What you are doing here is sickening and disgusting to even begin to compare this church group with white supremacy groups. This has got to be a new low on this site.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

And I take credit for this calling and alleged liberal tune changing TOT has apparently decided belongs to Kandahar. I DEMAND SATISFATION AND PRAISE. Hurry up, time is money and at this rate I'll reach the povery line before 2AM.

Sorry what is it you want recognition for exactly? I don't want to go through more lines of tot's lies to find it.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

Sorry what is it you want recognition for exactly? I don't want to go through more lines of tot's lies to find it.

TOT refuses to admit that I like him have become a great thinker and adding insult to injury he wont even give me praise for not being like all those liberals he claims call anybody who even says race a racist. I demand either an apology or praise and I'm willing to take this to the supreme court. I'm hurt TOT. Just admit that you were wrong about all liberals and/or that I am supreme ruler of the universe and we'll be just about even? cool?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

Perhaps, due to the nature of how it was worded, but I would still have known that you lied some where just because of knowing your history on this thread. And surprise surprise, just as I had assumed, you did edit out some key points as well as lied to set forth your agenda.

What key points a bitchfest about slavery? WTF does that have to do with anything the key points are as follows and when replacing the word black with white it is clear that this is a racist insitution:

"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the White Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These White Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Whites are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System."

Show where they discriminate

Do you think I can be a member of this is church, do you seriously believe this is a church open to anyone of faith as are most Christian churches save for black separatist and christian identity churches.

Show us where they don't allow other members of other races or have a black superiority initiative. There are none tot.

Show you where they don't allow other members of other races? Umm it's kind of right there in the opening section:

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black."

Irrelevant, you're statements have been against cultural and ethnic pride.

No they are against any church or institution which discriminates based on race.

Irish is a culture as well as an ethnic identity. So I ask again, is St. Patrick's day racist.

Irish isn't a race so obviously not. Show me a catholic church that discriminates based on race.

Absolutely

Okay then well they sure as hell aren't okay with me.

No what this is clearly in black and blue is a demonstration of your bigotry

I'm a bigot for pointing out the fact that Obama is a member of a black separatist church?

and so desperate to swift boat a democratic candidate that you're even lying in clear words just to set forth an agenda. Sorry tot, you got called.

What did I lie about? Oh ya I said white instead of black to expose the hypocricy of the left, oh no did I get called on that?

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

And I take credit for this calling and alleged liberal tune changing TOT has apparently decided belongs to Kandahar. I DEMAND SATISFATION AND PRAISE. Hurry up, time is money and at this rate I'll reach the povery line before 2AM.

Tune-changing? I'm perfectly comfortable with there being a double standard for black pride and white pride groups. How did I change my tune? I knew TOT was being dishonest about something even before I googled it; that's par for the course with him.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

TOT refuses to admit that I like him have become a great thinker and adding insult to injury he wont even give me praise for not being like all those liberals he claims call anybody who even says race a racist. I demand either an apology or praise and I'm willing to take this to the supreme court. I'm hurt TOT. Just admit that you were wrong about all liberals and/or that I am supreme ruler of the universe and we'll be just about even? cool?

Hatuey Akbar. s/p?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

Tune-changing? I'm perfectly comfortable with there being a double standard for black pride and white pride groups.

Well like most liberals double standards are no problem for you, is this supposed to be something new?

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

TOT refuses to admit that I like him have become a great thinker and adding insult to injury he wont even give me praise for not being like all those liberals he claims call anybody who even says race a racist. I demand either an apology or praise and I'm willing to take this to the supreme court. I'm hurt TOT. Just admit that you were wrong about all liberals and/or that I am supreme ruler of the universe and we'll be just about even? cool?

:lamo :allhail: better? lol

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

Well like most liberals double standards are no problem for you, is this supposed to be something new?

This particular double standard happens to be justified. Quityerbitchin. :violin

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

How did I change my tune? I knew TOT was being dishonest about something even before I googled it; that's par for the course with him.

He said in another thread that after you came every liberal who's posted here started changing their tunes. On closer inspection one can see I have been the voice of reason since this thread was conceived.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

What key points a bitchfest about slavery? WTF does that have to do with anything the key points are as follows and when replacing the word black with white it is clear that this is a racist insitution:

THis is the second 3rd time you've left out the first paragraph. You just can't stop lying can you?

Do you think I can be a member of this is church, do you seriously believe this is a church open to anyone of faith as are most Christian churches save for black separatist and christian identity churches.

Yes you can, if you want to live by the church's values and identity. I do believe this church is open to anyone of their faith. You still haven't shown their message of hate though.

Show you where they don't allow other members of other races? Umm it's kind of right there in the opening section:

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black."

Yes, and where does it say to kill all the whites? Where does it say that whites can not attend?

No they are against any church or institution which discriminates based on race.

Against organizations that discriminate against race, how is that racist exactly? WHy should this church be tolerant of another organizations intolerance? Why should I?

Irish isn't a race so obviously not. Show me a catholic church that discriminates based on race.

Your christian identity movement had several such churchs. Next?

Okay then well they sure as hell aren't okay with me.

Ok then well how do you know? I think it's like well then you're not ok with them more than they are not ok with you.

I'm a bigot for pointing out the fact that Obama is a member of a black separatist church?

You're bigotry is evident in that you had to lie to prove a false point and the fact that this is hardly a separatist church.

What did I lie about? Oh ya I said white instead of black to expose the hypocricy of the left, oh no did I get called on that?

There's no hypocrisy, the only bigotry here is in display of your denial and your sick pitiful attempts of swift boating. You want to call this a separatist racist black supremacy church? Then show how they are preaching a message of hate and encouraging hate crimes, then and only then will you have something to bitch about. Everything else here is just your plain and obvious lies.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

He said in another thread that after you came every liberal who's posted here started changing their tunes. On closer inspection one can see I have been the voice of reason since this thread was conceived.

Tot has claimed a lot of things, mostly lies and half truths. Since when did he have credibility in his statements. This whole thread is one big lie.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

Tot has claimed a lot of things, mostly lies and half truths. Since when did he have credibility in his statements. This whole thread is one big lie.

Agreed but it's fun to live in his fantasy world even if it is just fantasy.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

HAHAHAHAHA and you guys fell into it. Lucky for me I am trained in the ways of the Jedi. Obi Wan KeHatuey.

I have taught you well.

BTW, no offense, but I like Goobieman's 'trap' threads, better. :2wave:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Here's the issue as I see it. TOT claims that there is a double standard; black pride is automatically excused while white pride is automatically condemned. Others have claimed that there is a distinction between the terms. The former is not always racist, whereas the latter is. So, I have a suggestion or challenge, if you will. If TOT can locate three white pride organizations that aren't inherently racist, then he wins. If not, and someone else can locate three black pride organizations that aren't inherently racist, then everyone else wins. If neither of these conditions can be met, then TOT wins. Sound reasonable? I'll give y'all until 9:00 AM EST on 3/2 to complete the parameters. Y'all can wager what you want...a 24 change of avatars of the loser to the avatar of choice of the winner is a good one. I'll judge.

BTW, has anyone noticed that the true purpose of this thread was to degrade Obama and accuse him of being a racist? Hey Hatuey...who is the true master? :mrgreen:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Here's the issue as I see it. TOT claims that there is a double standard; black pride is automatically excused while white pride is automatically condemned. Others have claimed that there is a distinction between the terms. The former is not always racist, whereas the latter is. So, I have a suggestion or challenge, if you will. If TOT can locate three white pride organizations that aren't inherently racist, then he wins. If not, and someone else can locate three black pride organizations that aren't inherently racist, then everyone else wins. If neither of these conditions can be met, then TOT wins. Sound reasonable? I'll give y'all until 9:00 AM EST on 3/2 to complete the parameters. Y'all can wager what you want...a 24 change of avatars of the loser to the avatar of choice of the winner is a good one. I'll judge.

BTW, has anyone noticed that the true purpose of this thread was to degrade Obama and accuse him of being a racist? Hey Hatuey...who is the true master? :mrgreen:

I'm not claiming that white pride movements or groups are a good thing I'm simply claiming that this church appears to be equally as bad as it bases membership on race and seems to be a black separatist church akin to the nation of Islam.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I'm not claiming that white pride movements or groups are a good thing I'm simply claiming that this church appears to be equally as bad as it bases membership on race and seems to be a black separatist church akin to the nation of Islam.

Truthfully, TOT, I am as against Louis Farakkan and his ilk of black separatists as I am against David Duke and his white racists. I'm just not sure that this church qualifies. There is a difference between supporting your race and being racist.

 

[ptsdkid]

Truthfully, TOT, I am as against Louis Farakkan and his ilk of black separatists as I am against David Duke and his white racists. I'm just not sure that this church qualifies. There is a difference between supporting your race and being racist.

***David Duke is not a racist. He is a White Pride Nationalist. There is a huge difference if you were to take the time to do some homework.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

***David Duke is not a racist. He is a White Pride Nationalist. There is a huge difference if you were to take the time to do some homework.

I have done my homework. That's why I said what I did. Your 'position' blinds you from seeing this.

 

[ptsdkid]

I have done my homework. That's why I said what I did. Your 'position' blinds you from seeing this.

***I believe we exhaustingly described this word racist in previous threads. A racist shows ethnic prejudice. David Duke was raised by a black woman. He had the highest regard for her as a person. Ethnic prejudice was seen in Hitler's attempt to secure a final solution to the Jewish problem. Duke has a problem with the Jewish leaders worldwide, but he shows no prejudice toward any group of people. David may agree with segregating various ethnic peoples (whites included) for their own good, but that in of itself is no reason to believe that he is a racist, for he clearly is not.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

***I believe we exhaustingly described this word racist in previous threads. A racist shows ethnic prejudice. David Duke was raised by a black woman. He had the highest regard for her as a person. Ethnic prejudice was seen in Hitler's attempt to secure a final solution to the Jewish problem. Duke has a problem with the Jewish leaders worldwide, but he shows no prejudice toward any group of people. David may agree with segregating various ethnic peoples (whites included) for their own good, but that in of itself is no reason to believe that he is a racist, for he clearly is not.

David Duke was the Grand Wizard of the ****ing KKK, sorry you don't obtain that position simply by being pro-white.

 

[ptsdkid]

David Duke was the Grand Wizard of the ****ing KKK, sorry you don't obtain that position simply by being pro-white.

***Yes, he was the Grand Wizard at one time, but the reason he quit that position was because he is non-violent, and since the vast majority of his followers used violence as a means to an end--David quit. Do you still consider former KKK member Robert Byrd to be a racist? Duke's main theme then as it is now--is to expose the racist attitudes of prominent leaders of groups of peoples, i.e. Blacks and Jews. Duke is now the leader of the 'White Pride Nationalists'. Pride in your people is much different than having prejudice over another people. Duke has made that delineation between the two rather nicely.