Is this a white supremacist church?

[Sauwan]

Not really. They're not doing anything racist.

I would guess any white person would have difficulty joining their church...

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Not really. They're not doing anything racist. Promoting the values and morals of your culture is not racist. However calling every black man you see "a worthless n*gga who got away " or calling every white man you see a "former slave owner" is.

Now...about my satisfaction.

Oh please the rhetoric from the OP is the same type of bullshit you'll hear from the white pride people who will swear up and down that they're not racist, but in reality that is exactly what they are, I don't buy that tripe from them and I won't buy it from these people either. I don't see color people tell me I'm white and I believe them because I can get a bank loan. lmfao thankyou Colbert.

 

[Kandahar]

How in the hell is it not comparable? Are blacks somehow incapable of racism?

They're capable of it, but this isn't a Louis Farrakhan-type group. This seems like a pretty mainstream black church interested in activism for Africa and for fighting racism. Did you read how one of the things in their mission statement is to stamp out racism?

Sorry but if this were a white senator with an R next to his name you people would be screaming to the rafters.

That's because there are no "white pride" groups in existence that don't also blame their problems on minorities or do other racist things. That is not necessarily true of all "black pride" groups. Different race, different standard; deal with it.

 

[Hatuey]

I would guess any white person would have difficulty joining their church...

I dont see why what exacly are they doing that is racist? I believe in promoting all cultures. IF someday there comes the day where the white people in America want to celebrate their european heritage. Greeks do it. Mexicans do it. Why can't the people of Scottish, Irish, German, Welsh, Italian and Polish ancestry? Aren't their cultures as big a part of America as African Americans and Native Americans are? There is a very clear line between celebrating your culture and being a racist. Sadly racist bigots from all cultures have managed to blurr this line.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

They're capable of it, but this isn't a Louis Farrakhan-type group. This seems like a pretty mainstream black church interested in activism for Africa and for fighting racism.



That's because there are almost no "white pride" groups in existence that don't also blame their problems on minorities or do other racist things. That is not necessarily true of all "black pride" groups. Different race, different standard; deal with it.

Different race different standard? Aww horseshit, this is exactly the same rhetoric you would find on stormfront from the people who say sh!t along the lines of: "why is it ok for other races to be proud but not us, we're not racists yadayadayada," I don't buy that crap from them and I'm not going to buy it from these people either.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I dont see why what exacly are they doing that is racist? I believe in promoting all cultures. IF someday there comes the day where the white people in America want to celebrate their european heritage.

Ya it's called the white pride movement, I don't see any difference with this church and them, save of course for skin pigmentation, it's flip sides of the same racist coin.

 

[Kandahar]

Different race different standard? Aww horseshit, this is exactly the same rhetoric you would find on stormfront from the people who say sh!t along the lines of: "why is it ok for other races to be proud but not us, we're not racists yadayadayada," I don't buy that crap from them and I'm not going to buy it from these people either.

:violin :violin

 

[Sauwan]

That's because there are no "white pride" groups in existence that don't also blame their problems on minorities or do other racist things. That is not necessarily true of all "black pride" groups.

What? This group, in its mission statement, mentions slavery. They are unquestionably blaming white people.

Racism is unquestionable. It still happens today to a very large extent. However, how can we give one group a pass while another group gets ostracized? How can we make progress if Whites deny it exists, and Blacks are further separating themselves like this and calling it "ok"?

I don't see this problem being resolved for as long as I live and it really saddens me.

 

[Gardener]

Ya it's called the white pride movement, I don't see any difference with this church and them, save of course for skin pigmentation, it's flip sides of the same racist coin.

Not really. The nasties at stormfront aren't really proud of themselves at all,and that is why they spend so much time tearing down others. If you can show that the members of this church are spreading antisemitism, promoting stereotypes about asian people, dissing native Americans, talking about the white devil or anything like that, then I will join you in condemning them.

Otherwise, I think you are making quite a stretch.

 

[Hatuey]

Oh please the rhetoric from the OP is the same type of bullshit you'll hear from the white pride people who will swear up and down that they're not racist, but in reality that is exactly what they are, I don't buy that tripe from them and I won't buy it from these people either. I don't see color people tell me I'm white and I believe them because I can get a bank loan. lmfao thankyou Colbert.

I believe everybody is entitled to the same rights and all men are equal and how far they go in life depends not on what the color of their skin is but how far their ambition reaches. Racist and Supremacists believes all races follow a pattern and that their race is superior to others. They base these assumptions on the parts of history they like and forget the parts they dont like.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Not really. The nasties at stormfront aren't really proud of themselves at all,and that is why they spend so much time tearing down others. If you can show that the members of this church are spreading antisemitism, promoting stereotypes about asian people, dissing native Americans, talking about the white devil or anything like that, then I will join you in condemning them.

Otherwise, I think you are making quite a stretch.

I'm sorry but I just don't see the difference between this church and something you might find in the Christian Identity movement.

 

[Sauwan]

I dont see why what exacly are they doing that is racist? I believe in promoting all cultures. IF someday there comes the day where the white people in America want to celebrate their european heritage. Greeks do it. Mexicans do it. Why can't the people of Scottish, Irish, German, Welsh, Italian and Polish ancestry? Aren't their cultures as big a part of America as African Americans and Native Americans are? There is a very clear line between celebrating your culture and being a racist. Sadly racist bigots from all cultures have managed to blurr this line.

I guess I should find out if Whites from Africa are socially accepted there before rushing to judgment. They keep claiming "Black" and only erratically "African". Just seems more about melanoma content than it does culture content from how they word it.

 

[Hatuey]

Ya it's called the white pride movement, I don't see any difference with this church and them, save of course for skin pigmentation, it's flip sides of the same racist coin.

The white pride movement? I've yet to meet a single person from a x-race pride movement that doesn't hold racist ideals regarding the supremacy of their race above that of others.

You're confusing what these people are doing with racism. It's not racism to promote the values and morals of your race. However it's very racist to believe that your race is above that of any other. As bi-racial person I dont respond well to anybody of any race claiming that one side of my family is somehow superior to the other. Take it anyway you want it. Thats my response to this issue which you're trying to blow up.

 

[jfuh]

To prove the left's hypocricy.



Again to watch you all dance like puppets.



Absolutely nothing? Sorry but the fact that one of the Democratic frontrunners for their pick to run for President is a member of a black separatist church isn't nothing it's a huge huge something.



I didn't have to lie, I chose to lie knowing how you people would react, IE if it's white then it's racist, if it's black and the darling of the Democratic party then eh, it's "absolutely nothing."

Actually, everyone on this forum correctly expressed that you were lying. The first paragraph explains it all and clearly shows how this is not a discriminating church.
This is a minority group, looking to promote it's ethnic roots. I don't see anything racist about it.
IF you are calling this church racist, than by default St. Patricks day is racist holiday with parades promoting racism. I don't see you bitching about that?
There's a clear distinction between racism and promoting a cultural and ethnic identity. This is nothing but you trying in desperation to swift boat Obama. Too predictable.

 

[Hatuey]

I guess I should find out if Whites from Africa are socially accepted there before rushing to judgment. They keep claiming "Black" and only erratically "African". Just seems more about melanoma content than it does culture content from how they word it.

Whites from Africa? Are you talking about Afrikaners? If there is any kind of problem when it comes to Afrikaners in Africa I think it has more to do with the apartheid of S.A. then anything else. I mean it only ended 17 years ago. Most of S.A.'s population is old enough to remember if not the apartheid atleast bits and pieces. From white only beaches to white only benches. Unlike in America where people can claim "Yeah segregation ended 40 years ago" the effects of the apartheid can not be as easily denied and still vividly clear in the minds of most africans who are over 20 years old.

 

[Kandahar]

I didn't have to lie, I chose to lie knowing how you people would react, IE if it's white then it's racist, if it's black and the darling of the Democratic party then eh, it's "absolutely nothing."

OK, well in that case, why did you support George Bush when he said he killed puppies and raped children*? You know that if a Democrat had said that, you would be offended. Hypocrite.



(*He didn't actually say that. I just made it up.)

 

[jfuh]

What? This group, in its mission statement, mentions slavery. They are unquestionably blaming white people.

Racism is unquestionable. It still happens today to a very large extent. However, how can we give one group a pass while another group gets ostracized? How can we make progress if Whites deny it exists, and Blacks are further separating themselves like this and calling it "ok"?

I don't see this problem being resolved for as long as I live and it really saddens me.

As I have mentioned the celebration of one's cultural and ethnic identity is hardly the same as racism that is prevalent when we think of white supremacy groups - ie KKK.
The black community blames the white community for their lost heritage, their lost roots, their lost values, and here is a group working to promote those lost identities. The majority of the black community in this country is the only group that came to this nation involuntarily; their heritage suppressed. By whom? The white community. Hence the mention of slavery is hardly the same as the "blame" that Kandahar has mentioned; it is stating the obvious and answering the questions involved with a racial/cultural/ethnic identity.
AS for the later part of your statement starting from "racism is unquestionable" I agree with all the remainder.

 

[Gardener]

(*He didn't actually say that. I just made it up.)

You just got it backwards is all.

 

[Hatuey]

You just got it backwards is all.

Yeah even I'm a little surprised at how this one backfired on a few people.

I'll await Trojans praise on this issue with great anxiety. Praise shall come in the following :

Oh was I wrong great Hatuey. I am sorry I doubted your great thinking habilities. Even if you are a liberal you've proven that there are liberals that dont call anybody who even mentions the word "race" a racist.

or the less popular.

Hatuey Akbar.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

As I have mentioned the celebration of one's cultural and ethnic identity is hardly the same as racism that is prevalent when we think of white supremacy groups - ie KKK.

How is this different from the white pride movement and christian identity groups? Oh ya skin color and double standards.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

The white pride movement? I've yet to meet a single person from a x-race pride movement that doesn't hold racist ideals regarding the supremacy of their race above that of others.

This is clearly a black pride movement so I assume you are agreeing that they hold racist ideals.

You're confusing what these people are doing with racism. It's not racism to promote the values and morals of your race.

Oh please it wouldn't be racist for me to promote the values and morals of the white race?

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

How is this different from the white pride movement and christian identity groups? Oh ya skin color and double standards.

The white pride movement condones and goes as far as to blame the actions of all others simply by race alone. This does group clearly does not.

This is indifferent from Christian identity groups at least to the best of my knowledge. How are Christian identity groups racist?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Actually, everyone on this forum correctly expressed that you were lying.

If you wouldn't have googled it or known some other way you would have voted yes, on that I guarantee.

The first paragraph explains it all and clearly shows how this is not a discriminating church.

Oh bullshit, it is very clearly a church based on race as is proven unequivocaly with the section I provided.

This is a minority group, looking to promote it's ethnic roots. I don't see anything racist about it.

No it's very clearly a black separatist church, I'm sorry but if your church doesn't allow members of other races to be members or bases membership on race it is a racist institution.

IF you are calling this church racist, than by default St. Patricks day is racist holiday with parades promoting racism. I don't see you bitching about that?

Irish isn't a race that I'm aware of.

There's a clear distinction between racism and promoting a cultural and ethnic identity.

Ya so white pride folks are o.k. in your book then I suppose.

This is nothing but you trying in desperation to swift boat Obama. Too predictable.

No what this is is a demonstration in liberal hypocricy.

 

[jfuh]

Re: Tot's bigotry supremacist thread

Oh please it wouldn't be racist for me to promote the values and morals of the white race?

If you do not shun other racial or ethnic groups or have a white superiority complex just because, no, you wouldn't be racist.

Does this church group advocate the superiority of the black race? Shun and condone other racial groups because of race alone? No

 

[Hatuey]

This is clearly a black pride movement so I assume you are agreeing that they hold racist ideals.

Well considering they havent presented any of the ussual traits pride moments have(like the belief in the supremacy of their race) no I would not say this is a pride movement. It's promoting the values and morals they believe are at their core african american values. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh please it wouldn't be racist for me to promote the values and morals of the white race?

Go ahead. I'll even join ya. We can litsen to Vanilla Ice and then go snowboarding. It'll be fun. See? What I said is racist. I assumed all white people like to snowboard and they like Vanilla Ice. Do you see the difference?