Is this a white supremacist church?

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the White Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These White Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Whites are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System."

Are these the policies of a racist, bigoted, and white supremacist organization or a harmless and innocent Christian church? If a person was a member of this church would you cast your vote for them to be President of the United States?

Mods please add a yes or no poll.

 

[Thelost1]

Definately racist.

So, which major politician is a member?

 

[Kandahar]

Definately racist.

Ya it seems racist to me, unless there's some other relevant information that TOT is deliberately not telling us (which is quite likely).

So, which major politician is a member?

Hehe, well we know it must be a Democrat. Otherwise TOT wouldn't be asking. :lol:

 

[Thelost1]

I didn't want to post that "Democrat" bit because accusing TOT of partisan slander before he's actually posted it wouldn't be a good thing.

 

[Hatuey]

I dont know what to say...but..just by reading what TOT posted...I think that...to be a supremacist of any race I think you have to somehow state or imply(guys help me out with words I'm on meds) that the race you advocate for is indeed superior to others. Adhering to what you believe are "white morals" "white work ethics" is not enough. You have to somehow have the crazy idea that your race is superior to others(the supremacy part).

 

[Thelost1]

Well, Hatuey, you can bet that even though they don't overtly state that, they think it, imply it, and talk to each-other about WS.

 

[Hatuey]

Well, Hatuey, you can bet that even though they don't overtly state that, they think it, imply it, and talk to each-other about WS.

Yeah but we can only speculate and make educated guesses. We can't say they are in fact racist atleast not by reading what TOT posted. It's a bit shitty I know but it would be foolish to call these people racists or white supremacists without having a better idea of who they are. All they are doing is following what they believe are the values and core morals of their "race". That doesn't make them racists.

 

[Thelost1]

We can use common sense though, we don't have to be scientific about everything.

 

[Kandahar]

Never mind, I looked it up because I knew that TOT would be lying about something.

It's Barack Obama, just replace the word "white" with "black" in the above paragraph. That's not comparable and only a race-baiter like TOT would claim that it was. This is hardly a hate group; this is part of their mission statement:

"Our job as servants of God is to address [racism] and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ."

 

[Hatuey]

Never mind, I looked it up because I knew that TOT would be lying about something.

It's Barack Obama, just replace the word "white" with "black" in the above paragraph. That's not comparable and only a race-baiter like TOT would claim that it was. This is hardly a hate group; this is part of their mission statement:

"Our job as servants of God is to address [racism] and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ."

HAHAHAHAHA and you guys fell into it. Lucky for me I am trained in the ways of the Jedi. Obi Wan KeHatuey.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Never mind, I looked it up because I knew that TOT would be lying about something.

It's Barack Obama, just replace the word "white" with "black" in the above paragraph. That's not comparable

How in the hell is it not comparable? Are blacks somehow incapable of racism? Sorry but if this were a white senator with an R next to his name you people would be screaming to the rafters.

 

[jfuh]

Predictably Tot left out some key info
He changed all the words from Black to white source
Yep, this is Barak Obama who is a member.
Too predictable.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Definately racist.

So, which major politician is a member?

Replace white with black and it's Barack Obama.

 

[Thelost1]

Never mind, I looked it up because I knew that TOT would be lying about something.

It's Barack Obama, just replace the word "white" with "black" in the above paragraph. That's not comparable and only a race-baiter like TOT would claim that it was. This is hardly a hate group; this is part of their mission statement:

"Our job as servants of God is to address [racism] and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ."

@TOT

c'mon, quote the whole thing.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Predictably Tot left out some key info
He changed all the words from Black to white source
Yep, this is Barak Obama who is a member.
Too predictable.

So if it's a white church it's racist and if it's a black church it's not? Yes it is Obama, and yes this is clearly a black separatist church that is clearly racist in nature.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

@TOT

c'mon, quote the whole thing.

What that I'm a race baiter? lol, this is clearly a racist church with a black separatist agenda.

 

[jfuh]

So if it's a white church it's racist and if it's a black church it's not? Yes it is Obama, and yes this is clearly a black separatist church that is clearly racist in nature.

As always you've edited out some key points from their website as well as the fact that the title is a lie as well as the opening statement. Tell me why when you cut and pasted from the "about us" section of the website did you leave out this opening passage

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

This paragraph is quite key in how the rest of the page is to be understood. Yet you dishonestly edited and left out this key paragraph.
It's quite sad and pathetic that you have to result to this type of obvious lying and dishonesty to make a point.
Nope, there's nothing at all racist about this church; it's not even close to being a white supremacist church.

 

[Sauwan]

Predictably Tot left out some key info
He changed all the words from Black to white source
Yep, this is Barak Obama who is a member.
Too predictable.

I actually have to question how that's key info. There's clearly a double standard going on here.

 

[jfuh]

What that I'm a race baiter? lol, this is clearly a racist church with a black separatist agenda.

Then why did you lie about this being a white supremacist church? And why did you edit out the opening paragraph when you cut and pasted?
There's nothing else left to say, you are trying to make something out of absolutely nothing.
That you had to lie and change the words then yes, you are a race baiter. In predictable tot fashion to top.

 

[jfuh]

I actually have to question how that's key info. There's clearly a double standard going on here.

The first paragraph from the "about us" section is the key info that I was referencing to. I copied it into post #17
The dishonesty is also present in the fact that this church is hardly by any means white supremacist.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Then why did you lie about this being a white supremacist church?

To prove the left's hypocricy.

And why did you edit out the opening paragraph when you cut and pasted?

Again to watch you all dance like puppets.

There's nothing else left to say, you are trying to make something out of absolutely nothing.

Absolutely nothing? Sorry but the fact that one of the Democratic frontrunners for their pick to run for President is a member of a black separatist church isn't nothing it's a huge huge something.

That you had to lie and change the words then yes, you are a race baiter. In predictable tot fashion to top.

I didn't have to lie, I chose to lie knowing how you people would react, IE if it's white then it's racist, if it's black and the darling of the Democratic party then eh, it's "absolutely nothing."

 

[Hatuey]

TOT. I demand praise for my reply to your 1st post. My reply refutes this post too.

How in the hell is it not comparable? Are blacks somehow incapable of racism? Sorry but if this were a white senator with an R next to his name you people would be screaming to the rafters.

I could have easily joined TheLost1 and Kandahar on this issue. However I used logic to deduct that this was not a supremacist group at all. I demand praise and satisfaction damn it.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

TOT. I demand praise for my reply to your 1st post. My reply refutes this post too.



I could have easily joined TheLost1 and Kandahar on this issue. However I used logic to deduct that this was not a supremacist group at all. I demand praise and satisfaction damn it.

And you shall get neither. lol, but c'mon you can't sit here and tell me that if this was a white Senator it wouldn't bother you that he was a member of such a church.

 

[Sauwan]

The first paragraph from the "about us" section is the key info that I was referencing to. I copied it into post #17
The dishonesty is also present in the fact that this church is hardly by any means white supremacist.

Well he was only being dishonest to help express his point. There is unquestionably a double standard. The question really only remains is if it is morally acceptable due to the history of Slavery in this country. (And is the only reason you can't continue exchanging Black with White and African to European in that post of yours)

I'm unsure as to how I feel on the matter.

 

[Hatuey]

And you shall get neither. lol, but c'mon you can't sit here and tell me that if this was a white Senator it wouldn't bother you that he was a member of such a church.

Not really. They're not doing anything racist. Promoting the values and morals of your culture is not racist. However calling every black man you see "a worthless n*gga who got away " or calling every white man you see a "former slave owner" is.

Now...about my satisfaction.