Is This A Human Being?

[Patriotic Voter]

For those who eat eggs for breakfast; are you eating chicken?

The eggs are not fertilized, so obviously not.

I am sure almost everyone knows the eggs we eat are from "chicken periods" and would not become chickens past their sell by dates.

So if anyone calls a chicken egg a chicken, it would be the same as calling every human period is a massive miscarriage.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Who has Jurisdiction (like a city zone) over a two-year-old child? The mother? Can she kill it then?

If it's inside of and attached to her body, yes.

Now, grow a uterus ....

 

[GummyVitamins]

If it's dead, then whether it's a fetus or baby is irrelevant.

If you kill a healthy, viable fetus for elective reasons it matters a lot.

 

[Gordy327]

it needs to be a law because without that, the SCOTUS will continue to let each state decide if and when women can get abortions. The WHPA would have made all laws that ban abortions before 24 weeks moot.

Ideally, abortion rights should become a constitutional amendment. We'll see what develops with the current abortion issue, including more far reaching consequences.

 

[Gordy327]

If you kill a healthy, viable fetus for elective reasons it matters a lot.

Good thing such abortions are not performed then, right?

 

[GummyVitamins]

Spare me the emotional rhetoric. I have always said an abortion is a woman's right to choose.

That's a false choice. You don't need to support elective induced D&E to support abortion.

But it seems you don't really understand how or why abortions are done. No one is going to abort a healthy, viable fetus. That's just lying propaganda.

People abort healthy, viable fetuses. The fact that you don't care doesn't make it propaganda. And if it's rare that's all the more reason for it to not be a big deal to regulate it.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Good thing such abortions are not performed then, right?

 

[Scrabaholic]

Good we agree it is possible to murder an unborn human being. Common ground.

The legal precedent is posted in another thread here on abortion.

"Unborn human being" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. And it cannot be murdered in my country, no matter who kills it. It has zero rights, as it should be.

 

[Gordy327]

That's a false choice. You don't need to support elective induced D&E to support abortion.

People abort healthy, viable fetuses. The fact that you don't care doesn't make it propaganda. And if it's rare that's all the more reason for it to not be a big deal to regulate it.

I support the woman's choices. Elective abortion past viability is generally not allowed or performed. You haven't demonstrated otherwise. So such claims they happen is propaganda. And no, I don't care what a woman chooses to do. It's HER CHOICE and none of my or anyone else's business. That's the whole point.

 

[Gordy327]

I see you can't refute what I said. Duly noted.

 

[VanceMack]

For those who eat eggs for breakfast; are you eating chicken?

That seems like a weird question in this context...but I'll play. If you are eating an unfertilized egg, then you arent eating a developing chicken...because it hasnt yet been fertilized. And if you eat a ribeye you are eating cow. And if you eat ribs, ham, or pork belly, you are eating pig. I assume you arent at some stage of YOUR life eating people...babies or otherwise.

 

[VanceMack]

You definitely haven't checked a dictionary recently because you keep using words you don't understand. View attachment 67390358

Still waiting on you to get back to the class about how Supreme Court Justices are "illegitimate."

When confronted with the fact that he supports killing babies, he just defaults to the "I don't care about the baby...I only care about the woman's right to kill it" perspective.

At least you have to admire his honesty.

 

[Scrabaholic]

That's another moronic source.


You looked exactly like that too..................................... way back when you just started.
Do you say you're not a human being?



Lol - you suggesting people who want a Socialist government -

people who aren't capable of surviving on their own but dependant on the "generosity" of an establishment for assistance,

reliant on a government to make the choices for them

- aren't human beings?



Lol - at least, the unborn has an excuse: I AM AN UNBORN! THIS IS NATURAL!


BUT - listen to all of you who wail about.................................................FUNDING!
Fund me this, fund me that....
All dependent on the......................................... teats of SOCIETY!

Those demanding they be born should support them if the parents can't. Only fair, right?

 

[GummyVitamins]

When confronted with the fact that he supports killing babies, he just defaults to the "I don't care about the baby...I only care about the woman's right to kill it" perspective.

At least you have to admire his honesty.

Gruesome and evil, but honest for sure. Not sure if it's a positive trait in this scenario though

 

[Scrabaholic]

I believe it is my right as a citizen for the legislature to make a law about abortion.

Perhaps women should be able to make a law forcing men to get a vasectomy or a prostatectomy?

 

[Scrabaholic]

It should be a law regulating the doctors.

Doctors are regulated by their licencing and governing bodies, not the govt. At least here they are.

 

[GummyVitamins]

I see you can't refute what I said. Duly noted.

I can, I just didn't think you were serious since it's so easy to refute so I laughed at your joke. In any event, you seem to be completely misinformed and spreading "lying propaganda" (ironically something you claimed I was doing). So here you go.

Clinton Off on Late-Term Abortions - FactCheck.org

Hillary Clinton said that late-term abortions "are because of medical necessity." There is little research on the subject, but existing data do not support her claim.

www.factcheck.org

One study that did examine the question of why late-term abortions are sought was published in 2013 in the Guttmacher Institute’s peer-reviewed journal, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health. That study compared 272 women who had abortions at or after 20 weeks with 169 women who had first-trimester abortions; importantly though, the study specifically excluded any women who sought later-term abortions due to fetal anomaly or maternal life endangerment.

The study’s primary finding was that “n many ways, women who had later abortions were similar to those who obtained first-trimester procedures.” It found that those who delayed abortions until later in their pregnancies were more likely to be younger women, those with limited financial resources and those who experienced logistical delays such as the need for extended travel to an abortion provider.

Women who have elective abortions of viable fetuses do it for the same reason they do it earlier in their pregnancy.

 

[GummyVitamins]

I see you can't refute what I said. Duly noted.

Here's some more evidence of you not being refuted

Common Ground on Late-Term Abortion: Anguish - WSJ

The Killing of Dr. George Tiller Has Rekindled an Old Debate, but Partisans on Both Sides Acknowledge Each Other's Pain

www.wsj.com

Common Ground on Late-Term Abortion: Anguish​

The Killing of Dr. George Tiller Has Rekindled an Old Debate, but Partisans on Both Sides Acknowledge Each Other's Pain


Dr. Tiller also took some late-term patients with healthy fetuses. Though the clinic's medical records typically remain confidential, he said they were only the most desperate cases: very young girls, victims of rape, drug addicts, women in abusive relationships.

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Such procedures discomfit some abortion doctors. William F. Harrison, who performs abortions in Fayetteville, Ark., said he considered Dr. Tiller a friend and called him "a very brave and great doctor." Yet he has long expressed concern about Dr. Tiller's willingness to abort into the ninth month. "Some of his practices are hard to defend," Dr. Harrison said.

 

[Scrabaholic]

What they look like is life of their specific species in their age appropriate developmental state. What you can guarantee is that if they are human babies, or elephant babies, or canine babies...they are without question...life...and advocating for wantonly killing them out of the name of convenience is despicable..inhuman. You could see the same results with pictures of senior citizens living in assisted care facilities. Are those people capable of living on their own? Making decisions on their own lives? So should we just kill them also, in the name of convenience? What about mentally handicapped people? Or people with extreme physical disabilities?

Nobody is advocating for wantonly killing them. ffs

 

[Scrabaholic]

It's not about getting the answer I "like," it's about finding the truth. In this case, you have no problem taking a healthy viable human, inducing labor on the mother, delivering the baby, but electively killing it while in the birth canal, and then throwing it into medical waste rather than just delivering it alive and putting it up for adoption. That's disgusting.

Adoption is disgusting. Women are not gestation machines for the barren.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Adoption is disgusting.

The crazy things people say to justify killing healthy, viable babies that will be birthed regardless.

Women are not gestation machines for the barren.

This lacks logic.

 

[minnie616]

If you kill a healthy, viable fetus for elective reasons it matters a lot.

I am getting very tired of you playing Gotcha game.

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 - Amends the Federal criminal code to prohibit any physician or other individual from knowingly performing a partial-birth abortion, except when necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

Only 1 percent of abortions take place after 21 weeks.

80 percent of those are because of catastrophic birth defects.


In 2008 Kansa kept a record of all abortions at or past 22 weeks.
In 2008 Kansas had a late term abortion clinic that would perform abortions after the age of viability if the fetus was non viable ( dead )
Or if irreparable damage of a major bodily function would occur if thePregnacy continued.

Therre were 323 abortions

192 were because the it was non viable.
131 were to prevent irreparable damage to the woman

From KKF 2019

Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon, and represent 1% of all abortions in the US.

The CDC does not elaborate on the breakdown by gestational age for abortions occurring past 21 weeks, but it is likely that the vast majority occur soon after 21 weeks rather than in the later in the pregnancy. While very limited data exists on this issue, a study from 1992 estimated 0.02% of all abortions occurred after 26 weeks gestation (320 to 600 cases per year). This may overestimate current day numbers, given the abortion rate is currently at a historic low, and restrictions on abortions later in pregnancy have increased.

 

[minnie616]

The crazy things people say to justify killing healthy, viable babies that will be birthed regardless.

Adoption is disgusting. Women are not gestation machines for the barren.

This lacks logic.

You are a barrel of laughs today.

A couple of the new Justices seem to think that by making abortions in our country against the law that there
will be many more new born infants up for adoption.

They are the ones who truly lack logic.

https://www.ibtimes.com/amy-coney-b...stic-supply-infants-attempts-overturn-3498087

They seem to forget that less than 1 percent of women in the US give a new born up for adoption.

Even if a poor woman cannot travel to.get an abortion and continues her pregnancy that only means there will be another baby on welfare.


How off the rails is that kind of thinking ….?

“whereas the domestic supply of infants relinquished at birth or within the first month of life and available to be adopted has become virtually nonexistent.”

I just cannot fathom that as a main reason why the Justices think that is a good and common argument for overturning Roe.

 

[Scrabaholic]

The crazy things people say to justify killing healthy, viable babies that will be birthed regardless.

I have never killed any babies.

This lacks logic.

You think women are gestation machines for the barren?

 

[GummyVitamins]

I am getting very tired of you playing Gotcha game.

I'm sorry if you don't like that you keep getting caught with your pants down saying things that aren't true. You're gonna have to get over that on your own because that isn't a problem that I can solve for you.

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 - Amends the Federal criminal code to prohibit any physician or other individual from knowingly performing a partial-birth abortion, except when necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, illness, or injury.

Only 1 percent of abortions take place after 21 weeks.

Doctors get around the Act by stopping the heart with an ultrasound-guided needle before delivering the dead baby. Gotcha.

https://www.societyfp.org/_documents/resources/InductionofFetalDemise.pdf

The most common technique of KCl administration is via transabdominal intracardiac injection performed with ultrasound guidance. Concentrated KCl (2 mEq/mL) is injected in aliquots of 2–3 mL until asystole is observed for 2–5 min [71]. Typically, a total of 6–10 mEq is needed. An ultrasound may be repeated 30 min to 1 h later to confirm the absence of cardiac activity

Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon,

All the more reason to not accept the elective killing of healthy, viable babies that will need to be birthed regardless. You do oppose this barbaric activity, right?