Is there anyone here that believes Obama is telling the truth about the 400 [W:118]

[Mark F]

Re: Is there anyone here that believes Obama is telling the truth about the 400 [W:1

Actually it does not help. In the furst paragraph of the first link it even says the administration will not allow. Its at their discretion. They could send iran money and its not illegal nor does it open any flood gates. Its a case by case basis that is at the discretion of the president. They had a choice and chose to pay iran in the manner they did. Claiming their hands were tied is just untrue from what i can tell.

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The Obama administration is considering easing financial restrictions that prohibit U.S. dollars from being used in transactions with Iran, U.S. officials said.

Not sure where the ambiguity is in that.

 

[trouble13]

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The Obama administration is considering easing financial restrictions that prohibit U.S. dollars from being used in transactions with Iran, U.S. officials said.

Not sure where the ambiguity is in that.

Im not claiming ambiguity. Im saying they are talking in circles.

They are claiming they were forced to wash the money by converting it into fireign currency because a regulation that is written so that its at the presidents discretion prevented them from directly giving them us currency.

The regulation wasnt preventing it. He has the authority to give permission to pay iran in us money, he is saying he had no choice. That is untrue. The choice is his to make.

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[Mark F]

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Im not claiming ambiguity. Im saying they are talking in circles.

They are claiming they were forced to wash the money by converting it into fireign currency because a regulation that is written so that its at the presidents discretion prevented them from directly giving them us currency.

The regulation wasnt preventing it. He has the authority to give permission to pay iran in us money, he is saying he had no choice. That is untrue. The choice is his to make.

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Ummmmm,... :no:

 

[trouble13]

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Ummmmm,... :no:

Explain how obama can consider easing the regulation if its not in his authority to do so?

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[SHOOTER]

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To be fair he had no idea what the ACA was actually going to be when he was pushing it, hell the Democrats that voted on it didn't even read it.

Remember --- "We have to pass it to find out what's in it"?

excuse me he did not know,are you kidding me ,the president of the UNITED STATES,sat in the white house and put this to-gather,are you kidding me he did no know,no he knew .
tell you what liberal that is a good one he did not know ,that is no excuse if he did not know that explans a lot about this racist white house,.are you kidding me he did not know ,well hull i call bs on that one.

i am still laughing,poor obama did not know his own health plan would double the cost and would not enable most Americans to keep their ins. really,that explains why every thing he has touched he is screwed up.

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Explain how obama can consider easing the regulation if its not in his authority to do so?

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everything else seems to be in his authority to change ,with the stroke of a pin.
no matter congress will do nothing like they always do,and people wonder why trump will win ,people are fed up with washington and the establishment .
you could not give me enough money not to vote for DONALD TRUMP, this is what it is ,money for hostages pure and simple from president obama the guy that draws lines in the sand and does nothing while good men die,nothing.

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[SHOOTER]

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I genuinely don't understand what all the fuss is about. 36 years ago the U.S. and Iran started the legal process in the Hague to deal with Iranian assets frozen by the United States largely for military hardware not delivered and for Iran to compensate American companies and individuals for confiscated/lost property and equipment. The $400m payment to Iran (which was announced back in January) was money Iran paid for F-16's and other kit they never got. It was their money. Because it is illegal to pay Iran in American dollars and because electronic banking can be an issue with Iran we gave them their money back in various foreign currency to comply with U.S. law.

This only became a thing last week because a Republican Senator suddenly remembered it and decided to make some partisan electoral hay from it by spreading lies, rumors and bull feces.

Oddly, no one has mentioned the $2.3 billion Iran has paid American's for lost property.

I believe the British are still holding hundreds of millions for Shir 1 and Shir 2 tanks paid for in the late 1970's but never delivered and that is currently under arbitration as well.

"partisan electoral hay " sounds like clintons PRAVDA to me YOU KNOW THE ALPHABET channels,the liberal socialist bias press.

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[trouble13]

Re: Is there anyone here that believes Obama is telling the truth about the 400 [W:1

everything else seems to be in his authority to change ,with the stroke of a pin.
no matter congress will do nothing like they always do,and people wonder why trump will win ,people are fed up with washington and the establishment .
you could not give me enough money not to vote for DONALD TRUMP, this is what it is ,money for hostages pure and simple from president obama the guy that draws lines in the sand and does nothing while good men die,nothing.

run don run


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Yes it certainly appears that it could be a ransom paymeny but im not even arguing if it was or it was not. The administration is argueing they had to make the payment the way they did because of the law, so i read the law.

Theres some problems with their answer because the law is written to be on a case by case basis. If it wasnt than paying them at all is illegal per the sanctions act because we are not allowed to do any transactions with their government without the presidents authorization. What the world court does not matter it is still illegal per us law. The only way for us to legally pay them is if obama gives the ok to do so.

Lets assume he did since we did in fact pay them. That means he authorized it. The sanctions act ties the hands of others but not his. He could of payed them in any currency he wanted and he could of done it electronically. He choose to wash the money into foreign currency and he chose to do it in an obscure manner.

Whether you agree that we owed them the money or it was a ransom fee or both. If they do use the money to fund terrorism it was given to them in a way that it cant be traced back to our money. It looks to me that it was a political calculation to avoid an embarassment like having guns you sold illegally get traced back to you.

He is saying he had no choice because the law prohibitted him from doing it any other way but thats not true. If it were true than paying them in any manner is also illegal because the sanction act prohibits it.

I would like to hear one the defenders explain this.

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Yes it certainly appears that it could be a ransom paymeny but im not even arguing if it was or it was not. The administration is argueing they had to make the payment the way they did because of the law, so i read the law.

Theres some problems with their answer because the law is written to be on a case by case basis. If it wasnt than paying them at all is illegal per the sanctions act because we are not allowed to do any transactions with their government without the presidents authorization. What the world court does not matter it is still illegal per us law. The only way for us to legally pay them is if obama gives the ok to do so.

Lets assume he did since we did in fact pay them. That means he authorized it. The sanctions act ties the hands of others but not his. He could of payed them in any currency he wanted and he could of done it electronically. He choose to wash the money into foreign currency and he chose to do it in an obscure manner.

Whether you agree that we owed them the money or it was a ransom fee or both. If they do use the money to fund terrorism it was given to them in a way that it cant be traced back to our money. It looks to me that it was a political calculation to avoid an embarassment like having guns you sold illegally get traced back to you.

He is saying he had no choice because the law prohibitted him from doing it any other way but thats not true. If it were true than paying them in any manner is also illegal because the sanction act prohibits it.

I would like to hear one the defenders explain this.

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man i do not know for sure ,butt it looks like the most closed adm. in American history SOP,tell you what the powers that be in washington had better hope and pray TRUMP does not win.


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Re: Is there anyone here that believes Obama is telling the truth about the 400 [W:1

I think its quite possible that they are telling the truth. In the absence of evidence to the contrary I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that this was a conspiracy. There is a nagging suspicion due to the circumstances however.

Those suspicions were duly noted at the time of events. Officials said ~"This looks bad, but three agreements are being addressed at the same time. Better that than put any of the three off".

Where were the complaints then?