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A new study out on July 8th says ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile.
Furthermore, the study goes onto state those who scoff at conspiracy theorists, laugh at them,
etc, are themselves victims of a psy-op campaign, a conspiracy if you will, launched from an
alphabet agency of the gov. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

PressTV - New studies: ?Conspiracy theorists? sane; government dupes crazy, hostile
 

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A new study out on July 8th says ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile.
Furthermore, the study goes onto state those who scoff at conspiracy theorists, laugh at them,
etc, are themselves victims of a psy-op campaign, a conspiracy if you will, launched from an
alphabet agency of the gov. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

PressTV - New studies: ?Conspiracy theorists? sane; government dupes crazy, hostile
Thank U! great article,
Like has been said many times before, this whole issue boils down to psychological warfare,
as long as there are people who cling to the idea that the MSM delivered truth & facts about 9/11/2001,
AMERICA has a problem.

Lets Roll........
 

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Re: Is There Any Way To Cure The "Official Report" Believers

As to thread question: probably not. I think that cognitive dissonance is an involuntary reaction to certain stimuli.
 

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Re: Is There Any Way To Cure The "Official Report" Believers

Not to completely rain on your parade ..... but
( just me playing devil's advocate )

I believe its possible to take any premise at all,
like say Caucasians are more prone to become junkies.....
and assemble a scientific team to do research & surveys
and come up with data that supports the foregone conclusion.

HOWEVER, these things eventually get sorted out
case in point, a 19th century Doctor set out to "prove"
that black people have smaller brains ..... eventually his work was debunked,
but shows what can happen.

I invite all sides of this very intense debate to examine very carefully
what sort of data they are working with and check your results....

its a sick sad world!
 

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Re: Is There Any Way To Cure The "Official Report" Believers

This is awesome:

"In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it." PressTV - New studies: ?Conspiracy theorists? sane; government dupes crazy, hostile

It highlights the attitudes of "sheeple," who refuse to believe even the evidence before their own eyes, preferring instead to buy into whatever government propaganda is handed out to them. I've seen demolitions in action, those buildings did not appear to collapse of their own weight.
 

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More, more I'm still not satisfied.

Frontiers |

The word "physics" appears only one time. Maybe psychologists can't handle it.

Of course teaching Official Conspiracy Theorists to read would be a start. Where does the NCSTAR1 report specify the total amount of concrete in the towers? They do it for the steel.

psik
 
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More, more I'm still not satisfied.

Frontiers |

Of course teaching them to read would be a start.

psik
GOOD STUFF! & Thanks

There are things that are so obvious, that
all one needs to do is say "BEHOLD"!

and thats the way it is .........
 

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This is awesome:

"In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it." PressTV - New studies: ?Conspiracy theorists? sane; government dupes crazy, hostile

It highlights the attitudes of "sheeple," who refuse to believe even the evidence before their own eyes, preferring instead to buy into whatever government propaganda is handed out to them. I've seen demolitions in action, those buildings did not appear to collapse of their own weight.
Some folks not only refuse to believe the evidence before their own eyes, they also deny that the evidence even exists. A strong index of dissonance. :(
 

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Is there any way to cure the "Official Report" Believers?

L.S.D. I suppose. To titrate the correct dosage, slowly add the infusion until the patient believes that Obamcare is a workable system to provide universal health care at affordable prices.
 

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A lot of posters who cling to the official version are government disinfo agents who know that 9/11 was an inside job as well as the truthers do.
Rules of Disinformation

We could show real non-believers some of the clearest proof such as building 7 or the size of the craft that hit the Pentagon.
Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org - YouTube
911 Part III The Clean Up


The US Government Planned and Carried Out the 9/11 Attacks

If they go into denial, we can show them this.
Psychologists help 9/11 truth deniers - YouTube

Cognitive dissonance really means saying one thing and believing another so most of those non-believers are really believers in denial. Some people have to wake up in stages.

If someone simply can't accept the idea that the government could tell so big a lie, show them some of the clear proof that the government faked the Apollo moon missions.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

One of the main reasons I start Apollo-hoax threads is to wake sheeple up to the idea that the government tells gigantic lies so they'll be more objective with the 9/11 issue.
 

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Not that I wouldn't trust the state-run Iranian propaganda news source PressTV, but according to independent research, that's not exactly what the study said.

Here is the abstract; the source contains the full study.

Recent research into the psychology of conspiracy belief has highlighted the importance of belief systems in the acceptance or rejection of conspiracy theories. We examined a large sample of conspiracist (pro-conspiracy-theory) and conventionalist (anti-conspiracy-theory) comments on news websites in order to investigate the relative importance of promoting alternative explanations vs. rejecting conventional explanations for events. In accordance with our hypotheses, we found that conspiracist commenters were more likely to argue against the opposing interpretation and less likely to argue in favor of their own interpretation, while the opposite was true of conventionalist commenters. However, conspiracist comments were more likely to explicitly put forward an account than conventionalist comments were. In addition, conspiracists were more likely to express mistrust and made more positive and fewer negative references to other conspiracy theories. The data also indicate that conspiracists were largely unwilling to apply the “conspiracy theory” label to their own beliefs and objected when others did so, lending support to the long-held suggestion that conspiracy belief carries a social stigma. Finally, conventionalist arguments tended to have a more hostile tone. These tendencies in persuasive communication can be understood as a reflection of an underlying conspiracist worldview in which the details of individual conspiracy theories are less important than a generalized rejection of official explanations.
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"details of individual conspiracy theories are less important than a generalized rejection of official explanations. "

This one bit is very significant. This is something that the supporters of the official propaganda,
all too often complain about, that is the fact that the "truth movement" doesn't have a coherent explanation for what happened, but instead universally denounces the OFFICIAL story.

WE THE PEOPLE are the jury in this case,
and we need to examine the evidence and consider with great care.

That is THINK .... before it becomes ILLEGAL!
 

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If someone simply can't accept the idea that the government could tell so big a lie, show them some of the clear proof that the government faked the Apollo moon missions.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

One of the main reasons I start Apollo-hoax threads is to wake sheeple up to the idea that the government tells gigantic lies so they'll be more objective with the 9/11 issue.
Hahahahaha, yeah that's a great idea!

C'mon, everyone, rally round this one.
 

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Hahahahaha, yeah that's a great idea!

C'mon, everyone, rally round this one. .
The proof that Apollo was faked is so clear that it makes a good shill-detector.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

I see the shills are starting to invade this thread.

Like the Apollo issue, the issue of building 7 is so clear that anyone who tries to obfuscate it will just end up looking silly. That's why the shills on C-SPAN avoid the issue.
C-SPAN Callers Won't Shut Up About 9/11 Inside Job - YouTube

A lot of people who still don't think 9/11 was an inside job don't even know that building 7 fell. We can help by showing them the info.

Fraud Exposed in NIST WTC 7 Reports - Part 1
Fraud Exposed in NIST WTC 7 Reports
Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org - YouTube
World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth
 

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The proof that Apollo was faked is so clear that it makes a good shill-detector.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

I see the shills are starting to invade this thread.
This is a freebie for the PTB. It's Sunday. I don't get paid double time to shill. But if I kiss enough ass, maybe they'll upgrade my pay scale.
 

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The proof that Apollo was faked is so clear that it makes a good shill-detector.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio
Well, I'm pretty sure that they went to the moon, however I'm also pretty sure that some of the footage was faked in order to conceal certain facts... Like the recent discovery of just how much water is on the moon and or technologies that were being used.

The Hubble telescope could line up on the moon in the area of the landing and see the evidence and remove all doubt.

I see the shills are starting to invade this thread.

Like the Apollo issue, the issue of building 7 is so clear that anyone who tries to obfuscate it will just end up looking silly. That's why the shills on C-SPAN avoid the issue.
C-SPAN Callers Won't Shut Up About 9/11 Inside Job - YouTube

A lot of people who still don't think 9/11 was an inside job don't even know that building 7 fell. We can help by showing them the info.

Fraud Exposed in NIST WTC 7 Reports - Part 1
Fraud Exposed in NIST WTC 7 Reports
Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org - YouTube
World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth
Rather than the moon landing, better to start with one that is fully provable, and that is the gulf of Tonkin incident, the second one. The audio tapes of the president telling them to fake an attack to go to war have been declassified.
 

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Well, I'm pretty sure that they went to the moon...
Do YOU get double time? Anyway, this is my shill beat. It's already covered.

Everyone, please! Scott is the only one here with his head screwed on straight. The PTB are very afraid of him. Pay no attention to what he says, okay?
 

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You Conspiracy Theorists might start by even attempting to present something resembling a prima facie case for any alternative hypothesis instead of just the same old endless JAQ'ing off.

That would be a start.
 
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Not to completely rain on your parade ..... but
( just me playing devil's advocate )

I believe its possible to take any premise at all,
like say Caucasians are more prone to become junkies.....
and assemble a scientific team to do research & surveys
and come up with data that supports the foregone conclusion.

HOWEVER, these things eventually get sorted out
case in point, a 19th century Doctor set out to "prove"
that black people have smaller brains ..... eventually his work was debunked,
but shows what can happen.

I invite all sides of this very intense debate to examine very carefully
what sort of data they are working with and check your results....

its a sick sad world!

Yes it is a very sick world and no where is it MORE sick than where socialism has infected a given culture.

Understand that socialism is a intellectual virus, spread generally by contact with those already infected… it preys on the natural desire for 'an easier way', and as a result it isolates the individual from the natural principles which otherwise provide the understanding that there is no easy way and that perseverance and integrity and allegiance to the natural order is the ONLY WAY.
 
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And FTR: People conspire every day and in every way… There's nothing unique or unusual about it at all… and THAT in NO WAY renders an ounce of credibility to the cranks that 'believe' that the Apollo Program was a scam or that 9-11 was an inside job.

Here's a clue: Mathematics provides for certainty in many areas, not the least of them is the potential for accurately sending a vehicle from earth to a known point beyond the earth's atmosphere… it's not even particularly difficult.

Here's another: Steel melts…

Now, with those two out of the way… Anyone seen Obama's Birth Cert? I haven't…
 

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Here's another: Steel melts…
Not at the temperatures under consideration here. Doesn't need to melt, only needs to lose residual capacity below that required to support the imposed load.

Now, with those two out of the way… Anyone seen Obama's Birth Cert? I haven't…
Hahaha, kettle/pot.
 
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Not at the temperatures under consideration here. Doesn't need to melt, only needs to lose residual capacity below that required to support the imposed load.
True… except… the effect is part and parcel of the process known as melting.


Hahaha, kettle/pot.
So you have seen it? LOL! Good one!
 

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Here's a clue: Mathematics provides for certainty in many areas, not the least of them is the potential for accurately sending a vehicle from earth to a known point beyond the earth's atmosphere… it's not even particularly difficult.
To put the best possible spin I can think of for moon-hoaxers: I doubt anyone's questioning the mechanics (as in pertinent branch of physics) of getting there, I think they're pointing to anomalies which indicate that it didn't happen, even if it's theoretically possible to get there.

Case in point - I ridiculed Scott, but I have exactly NO explanation for the anomaly he points out at 2:35 in one of the videos. And I've got a physics degree. The only possible coupling between passing astronaut and flag is through the ground, UNLESS his suit was discharging a fluid at the time. Coupling through several feet of ground known to be covered in several inches of talc-like powder to result in the flag moving (but apparently not the pole) is pretty far fetched. Maybe it's a perspective distortion issue and the astronaut actually physically brushed it.

Anyway, I have no explanation. That doesn't mean I buy into moon-hoax theories. Maybe I'm just not clever enough to come up with the explanation.
 
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