Is there a right to healthcare?

[Drawdown]

Of course health care is a right. It’s as essential as a common defense. if we cannot protect our populace from disease, then what’s the point of protecting them from bombs.

Feel free to leave our mutually pooled resourced society if this upsets you so much.

The common defense is about protecting the country, not individuals. It is why much of our history involved involuntary servitude to the master of war.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

The common defense is about protecting the country, not individuals. It is why much of our history involved involuntary servitude to the master of war.

What is in the country that requires protecting? (Ya’ll always say dumb shit like this thinking it means something. And I’ll help you out here: insurance is about protecting a *pool* of people. It is not about any one citizen.)

 

[Greenbeard]

It's not morality, it's math. It is simply not possible to 1) directly finance only the care of oneself or one's immediate family, and 2) maintain a modern heath care system. There's no financial model to sustain a state-of-the-art medical system that doesn't involve paying for care for people you don't know. Nor can there be.

 

[Drawdown]

What is in the country that requires protecting? (Ya’ll always say dumb shit like this thinking it means something. And I’ll help you out here: insurance is about protecting a *pool* of people. It is not about any one citizen.)

It means about keeping America America and not Amerika as you would rather have it be. The thread is about healthcare, not insurance

 

[Aunt Antifa]

It means about keeping America America and not Amerika as you would rather have it be. The thread is about healthcare, not insurance

You don’t know what I’d rather. You’re just making shit up because it’s easier to argue with yourself than someone who has given these things actual thought.

 

[Waddy]

I'm really sick of always hearing about "rights". There is a flip side to that coin. Does a "right" to health care infer a responsibility to live the most healthy way possible? You want everyone to pay for your health care because it's a "right"; so shouldn't you abstain from doing things that might make you less healthy? Isn't it fair to the rest of us who are paying to insist you hold up your end of the bargain? Which means to qualify for your "right" you must be in the best health possible. And we should have the right to monitor you closely to make sure you are doing just that. And if you don't take responsibility that would disqualify you from that "right" to health care. Sounds fair to me.

 

[Brave New World]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

Most countries follow international law, which states there is a right to emergency healthcare as part of the right to life and there are also rights in relation to children and vulnerable members of society. However in terms of access to certain treatments and drugs this is an issue that is decided on a national basis rather than being imposed through human rights or international law.

 

[Luther]

You are legally required to pay for my kids primary education.

You are legally required to pay for medicaid for others.


We can simply expand that to everyone

Psst... Vegas

You left out that the Fed Gov doesn't have a good record with the draconian social programs they run now

Why you poo poo that?

 

[Luther]

You are legally required to pay for my kids primary education.

You are legally required to pay for medicaid for others.


We can simply expand that to everyone

You are legally required to pay for my kids primary education.

Are you using our 17th in the world education system as an example? Holy moly!

You are legally required to pay for medicaid for others.

Yes, Late stage socialism

 

[Slartibartfast]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

The only natural right that exists is the right to use force. Everything else (such as free speech, property) is a social agreement. Socialized health care would be another of that type of social agreement.

So to answer: yes, people have that right if enough of society agrees that it is codified into law and/or culture.

 

[Luther]

The only natural right that exists is the right to use force. Everything else (such as free speech, property) is a social agreement. Socialized health care would be another of that type of social agreement.

So to answer: yes, people have that right if enough of society agrees that it is codified into law and/or culture.

(such as free speech, property)

Those are natural rights Taco

 

[Slartibartfast]

Those are natural rights Taco

Those are what John Locke and Rousseau called natural rights, but like most philosophers, they got it wrong.

The only right is to use force (and that is only if one's body is able to do so)

 

[Luther]

Those are what John Locke and Rousseau called natural rights, but like most philosophers, they got it wrong.

The only right is to use force (and that is only if one's body is able to do so)

but like most philosophers, they got it wrong.

Says you

 

[Slartibartfast]

Says you

well, yeah, says me

You should read up on some David Hume which ... philosophically ... hand's Locke his ass back to him. Specifically his Treatise of Human Nature

It was such a genius work that is basically created the foundations for modern psychology and informed most of the social sciences.

 

[Palowe7]

there's a right to healthcare in a country that is united, it balances needs within it. Now, to make sure this is not taken advantage of there must be regulations, tracking, minimum co-payments, etc. The problem with letting healthcare up to private management without restrictions from the government, which is meant to protect human rights of their population, is that said system is open to huge speculation, like any other private business.
To me that is the issue in US healthcare, we're not saying it needs to be free range, we say it should not be subject to private interest but rather public.